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[FroomeWagon]

Detailed breakdown of Roglic's crashes according to Deepseek. I have no idea how accurate this is.

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

Guys, all these things are true, as I’ve said a couple times:

• He has had some bad luck, resulting in crashing independent of his positioning, handling, and form.
• He at times also struggles with positioning, particularly on punchy or sprint stages, which has resulted in some crashes and time loss.
• He has had occasional issues with cornering (see ITT).
• Other top riders have been on the receiving end of less bad luck at this point in time.
• Pogacar and Vingegaard have made mistakes and had crashes as well, but they have achieved their ultimate, primary goal (Tour win), unlike Primoz, which reduces the emphasis.
• Lesser riders have had significant crashes and mistakes but they also don’t get as much attention because they are not as good as Primoz so the impact was a lost result, but not a lost GT victory.
• Primoz is tough as nails and always jumps back in with incredible stoicism.

 

[Rackham]

Detailed breakdown of Roglic's crashes according to Deepseek. I have no idea how accurate this is.

He DNF'd the 2021 TdF at the end of stage 8.

So that "high speed decent crash" on stage 12 listed by the AI there is as historically viable as a Fast and Furious car chase. And that's the thing with AI, i.e. it gets loads of stuff confused and wrong. Just like in the question I asked previously.

It's inadmissible as a valid source, basically.

 

[CyclistAbi]

I have no idea how accurate this is.

I guess as it's not against forum rules, then i can't blame you for posting it. But please understand that it's not our job either, to proofread it. So for be taken seriously i would still advice to post accurate data and to please provide a claim on what does that data try to prove.

 

[yaco]

lol cmon, abuse? its ok when Roglic gets "abused" though. honestly, it's fine. they're big boys and they probably aren't reading these posts anyway.

you know who used to crash a lot? especially after his ban? Contador. almost as much as Roglic has. and nobody was calling him a bad bike rider.

Unsurprisingly, you miss the gist of my post. You can critique riders without resorting to abusive terms.

 

[AmRacer]

I guess as it's not against forum rules, then i can't blame you for posting it. But please understand that it's not our job either, to proofread it. So for be taken seriously i would still advice to post accurate data and to please provide a claim on what does that data try to prove.

So far I haven't seen any accurate data from you. GC riders who crashed out with DNF from GT's the past five years.

 

[zlev11]

Unsurprisingly, you miss the gist of my post. You can critique riders without resorting to abusive terms.

what abusive term did i use?

 

[yaco]

what abusive term did i use?

I suggest you go back and read your posts in this thread.

 

[perico]

I asked deepseek AI for the number of crashes for the top 10 Grand Tour Riders for the past 5 years. The data may not be 100% accurate, as we know these generative AI models can be dicey, but I think it is a good starting point. According to deepseek, Roglic has more crashes than the other 9 riders combined.

If you want more detailed information about all the crashes and sources of data, I can provide that. I just didn't want to create too much clutter in this post.

Also, it does say that crashes during sprints often times go unrecorded unless there is an abandonment.

Pogacar crashed in the 2022 TdF as well as the Giro last year, and that’s just off the top of my head. He and Jonas were on a descent.

 

[FroomeWagon]

I guess as it's not against forum rules, then i can't blame you for posting it. But please understand that it's not our job either, to proofread it. So for be taken serisussly i would still advice to post accurate data and to please provide a claim on what does that data try to prove.

The reason I posted it was because I saw little data in this thread to back up either side of the argument, only people arguing. I would love it if someone did go through with a detailed analysis. Maybe if someone on the forum has a paid chatgpt account it might be better? IDK

 

[Gargamel35]

So far I haven't seen any accurate data from you. GC riders who crashed out with DNF from GT's the past five years.

Since you really want this data, why don't you write it down?

 

[zlev11]

I suggest you go back and read your posts in this thread.

i suggest you go back and read them too. i didn't post anything abusive towards anyone. i guess you're now just creating a strawman since you realized you have no argument against what i wrote.

 

[red_flanders]

Moderation (please do not reply in thread)

There's been plenty of back and forth here, with escalation all 'round. Please stop this line of discussion. Thank you.

 

[Berniece]

Alright, let's look to the future. Does anyone have news on his injury, and when he's going to Tignes?

 

[Gargamel35]

Alright, let's look to the future. Does anyone have news on his injury, and when he's going to Tignes?

Bora boss said his injuries are not bad and they can work towards Tour. His going to be at home for around a week and then start training.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Wow, this thread has crashed harder than Van Aert on stage 5 of the 2022 TdF, if that ever actually happened. I have to ask Jeeves first to be completely sure.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

Lovely sense of solidarity shown by Rog fans who didn't want Primoz to be the only one crashing out.

Brilliant post!

 

[Tim Cahill]

Brilliant post!

The reaction to his travails really became clear to me the other day when someone described him as 'like Princess Diana but to Slovenian's'.

I'd make a comment about crashing but don't want to get banned, so I'll just say this; Fly high Rog, The Queen of Hearts.

 

[Froome]

1-Roglic is a bad bike handler. That's a fact.

2-Roglic have a lot of bad luck. That's also true. Unfortunately, not all of the slovenian riders can have a lot of luck.

3-Yes, sometimes the crashes are GTs organizers fault, for choosing bad routes.

It's a bit of all of this reasons who can explain a lot of crashes.

 

[pelotonIQ]

Most of Roglic's crashes this giro wasn't caught on camera so it's hard to determine who's fault it was.

 

[Gratemans]

Reading this list, all indeed do seem to crash a whole lot. But i must say that i do occasionally read the threads from the mentioned cyclists, and no way am i seeing that amount of crash talk in them, compared to Rogličes thread.

It's because you are completely and utterly focussed on Roglic. It's not just you though. Same thing happens over in the Pogacar or Remco threads for example. Someone criticises them for something, they're instantly dubbed a 'hater' (and man, I loathe that childish word).

Someone stated in some other thread yesterday, that people that are not really a commited fan of any particular rider but are more a fan of the sport as a whole, feel superior. Well, when I read rider-dedicated threads and what's being said there about their competitors.. And then I read a couple of pages about todays stage, I come to that exact conclusion. The latter certainly contribute more balanced and interesting posts.

Same thing goes for football btw. The pundits that aren't a fan of any one team often deliver the best analysis.

 

[veganrob]

1-Roglic is a bad bike handler. That's a fact.

2-Roglic have a lot of bad luck. That's also true. Unfortunately, not all of the slovenian riders can have a lot of luck.

3-Yes, sometimes the crashes are GTs organizers fault, for choosing bad routes.

It's a bit of all of this reasons who can explain a lot of crashes.

Woah, woah, woah. Is it fact if it's not AI?

 

[saunaking]

chatgpt is fun.

Identifying the "crashiest" riders in professional cycling involves considering factors like race roles, riding styles, and historical incidents. While comprehensive statistics are limited, the following list highlights riders known for frequent crashes or significant incidents in recent years:

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1. Primož Roglič​

Roglič has experienced multiple crashes, notably:

• 2022 Tour de France: Crashed into a hay bale, dislocating his shoulder.
• 2022 Vuelta a España: Collided with Fred Wright during a sprint finish, leading to his withdrawal.
• 2025 Giro d’Italia: Suffered several crashes, including a significant one on Stage 16, resulting in his abandonment.

2. Caleb Ewan​

As a sprinter, Ewan often navigates high-risk finishes:

• 2021 Giro d’Italia: Crashed during Stage 8, leading to his withdrawal.
• 2022 Tour de France: Involved in multiple crashes, including a notable one with his entire Lotto-Soudal team.TNT Sports+1Wikipedia+1

3. Julian Alaphilippe​

Known for his aggressive style, Alaphilippe has had several incidents:

• 2022 Liège–Bastogne–Liège: Crashed heavily, suffering multiple injuries.
• 2022 Tour of Flanders: Sustained a broken hand due to a crash.WikipediaCycling Weekly

4. Geraint Thomas​

Thomas has faced numerous crashes:

• 2020 Giro d’Italia: Crashed on Stage 3, breaking his pelvis.
• 2024 Giro d’Italia: Nearly lost his podium position due to a crash.

5. Remco Evenepoel​

Evenepoel's early career has been marred by crashes:

• 2020 Il Lombardia: Suffered a severe crash, falling into a ravine.
• 2024 Tour of the Basque Country: Involved in a major crash with other top contenders.CyclingUpToDate.com+1Le Monde.fr+1The Sun

6. Chris Froome​

Froome's career has included several significant crashes:

• 2019 Critérium du Dauphiné: High-speed crash resulting in multiple fractures.
• 2025 UAE Tour: Fractured his collarbone in a crash during the final stage.Cyclingnews

7. Romain Bardet​

Bardet has had his share of crashes:

• 2022 Liège–Bastogne–Liège: Witnessed and reacted to Alaphilippe's crash.
• 2024 Tour de France: Involved in a crash during Stage 13.Wikipedia

8. Thibaut Pinot​

Pinot has faced multiple setbacks due to crashes:

• 2019 Tour de France: Abandoned due to a muscle tear, possibly exacerbated by a crash.
• 2020 Tour de France: Crashed on Stage 1, impacting his performance.Reddit

9. Mikel Landa​

Landa's aggressive climbing has led to several crashes:

• 2021 Giro d’Italia: Crashed out on Stage 5.
• 2025 Giro d’Italia: Suffered a fractured vertebrae due to a crash.

10. Richie Porte​

Porte has been involved in multiple high-profile crashes:

• 2017 Tour de France: Crashed on a descent during Stage 9, resulting in a fractured pelvis and collarbone.
• 2020 Tour de France: Overcame previous crash setbacks to finish third overall.

 

[dazaau]

chatgpt is fun.

Identifying the "crashiest" riders in professional cycling involves considering factors like race roles, riding styles, and historical incidents. While comprehensive statistics are limited, the following list highlights riders known for frequent crashes or significant incidents in recent years:

---

1. Primož Roglič​

Roglič has experienced multiple crashes, notably:

• 2022 Tour de France: Crashed into a hay bale, dislocating his shoulder.
• 2022 Vuelta a España: Collided with Fred Wright during a sprint finish, leading to his withdrawal.
• 2025 Giro d’Italia: Suffered several crashes, including a significant one on Stage 16, resulting in his abandonment.

2. Caleb Ewan​

As a sprinter, Ewan often navigates high-risk finishes:

• 2021 Giro d’Italia: Crashed during Stage 8, leading to his withdrawal.
• 2022 Tour de France: Involved in multiple crashes, including a notable one with his entire Lotto-Soudal team.TNT Sports+1Wikipedia+1

3. Julian Alaphilippe​

Known for his aggressive style, Alaphilippe has had several incidents:

• 2022 Liège–Bastogne–Liège: Crashed heavily, suffering multiple injuries.
• 2022 Tour of Flanders: Sustained a broken hand due to a crash.WikipediaCycling Weekly

4. Geraint Thomas​

Thomas has faced numerous crashes:

• 2020 Giro d’Italia: Crashed on Stage 3, breaking his pelvis.
• 2024 Giro d’Italia: Nearly lost his podium position due to a crash.

5. Remco Evenepoel​

Evenepoel's early career has been marred by crashes:

• 2020 Il Lombardia: Suffered a severe crash, falling into a ravine.
• 2024 Tour of the Basque Country: Involved in a major crash with other top contenders.CyclingUpToDate.com+1Le Monde.fr+1The Sun

6. Chris Froome​

Froome's career has included several significant crashes:

• 2019 Critérium du Dauphiné: High-speed crash resulting in multiple fractures.
• 2025 UAE Tour: Fractured his collarbone in a crash during the final stage.Cyclingnews

7. Romain Bardet​

Bardet has had his share of crashes:

• 2022 Liège–Bastogne–Liège: Witnessed and reacted to Alaphilippe's crash.
• 2024 Tour de France: Involved in a crash during Stage 13.Wikipedia

8. Thibaut Pinot​

Pinot has faced multiple setbacks due to crashes:

• 2019 Tour de France: Abandoned due to a muscle tear, possibly exacerbated by a crash.
• 2020 Tour de France: Crashed on Stage 1, impacting his performance.Reddit

9. Mikel Landa​

Landa's aggressive climbing has led to several crashes:

• 2021 Giro d’Italia: Crashed out on Stage 5.
• 2025 Giro d’Italia: Suffered a fractured vertebrae due to a crash.

10. Richie Porte​

Porte has been involved in multiple high-profile crashes:

• 2017 Tour de France: Crashed on a descent during Stage 9, resulting in a fractured pelvis and collarbone.
• 2020 Tour de France: Overcame previous crash setbacks to finish third overall.

That's not a bad list I'll be honest

 

[dazaau]

Not sure if others have posted this info from a cycling up to date article

The truth was though, that the five-time Grand Tour winner was in no shape to physically compete, even despite an attempted recovery on the rest day. “Primoz was already struggling — he could barely push 60 watts on the rollers,” reveals his coach. “That crash in the gravel stage really took a toll. He landed on the same shoulder he injured last year at the Dauphiné. He also had some large wounds full of debris, which made the recovery especially draining. His quadriceps were hit too, causing him pain with every upward pedal stroke.”