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[AmRacer]

So what is twisted, Rogla was the leader at the Tour and not Jonas?



Yeah, he did his best result at the Tour 2020 edition, unfortunately at the 2021 edition he was crashed out. After that IMHO he wasn't Tour team leader anymore, or do you claim he was?



Nah. People were saying Rogla needs to leave this team for years, if he ever want to win the Tour, way before Vuelta 2023. Over there they really treated him poorly. As for the rest i agree, Rogla and Jumbo Visma being rather beneficial to themselves and that will never be forgotten.

Anyway, at the Tour 2025, one of the Red Bull – BORA – hansgrohe boys can offer Jonas a tissue, whenever sneezing. As i do imagine they will have some tissues around. In case of Rogla to crash. Now IMHO that is a proper team support, can't ask for more. Rogla again in such position at the Tour, after years, i really appreciate that.

Rogla lost the Tour leadership to a better rider. He was leder 2020-2021, and shared with Jonas 2022. But he crashed out and DNF, that's what he does.

 

[Cycling111]

Rogla wasn't Tour team leader at Visma for years. When he fell he fell alone, when Jonas sneezed all leased a bike. In such position, on where you can't even trust your team, good luck racing relaxed.

Come on. In 2020, he had a super team at his disposal.
Look at the rubbish team UAE was back then. Besides, Aru and Formolo were DFNs before the mid-race, and two others were sprinters.

Roglic had his big chance in 2020, but a roockie Pogacar beat him wiht a shitty team.

But now we have to consider that a Roglic who's no longer in his prime has a chance against a prime Pogacar, and against Vingegaard, who took the lead from him in Visma.

You contradict yourself. On the one hand, you give Roglic a lot chance of winning the Tour, but on the other hand, you admit he was no longer the leader of Visma. The reason is that Vingegaard had overtaken him as a Tour rider on the team.

I really like Roglic. That's why I think it's best to be realistic with him. Giving him high expectations in the Tour and perhaps even being overtaken by Remco would be worse.

 

[CyclistAbi]

@AmRacer
@Cycling111

In the gist of it exactly, that is what i was saying, some people acting like they don't know what i am talking about. Therefore after around Tour 2021, Rogla was not Tour team leader anymore, for whatever reasons involved. At Tour 2025 it seems that Rogla is back in the saddle again.

Chapeau!

 

[Gratemans]

So what is twisted, Rogla was the leader at the Tour and not Jonas?

Rogla was the leader for years. Then he was co-leader. Then Jonas got better. You can't say he was treated badly. He got his chances, he didn't win. Admittedly bad luck had a lot to do with it. But also one time because of a very bad TT.
In my opinion it's all good. Jonas got better, and I totally understand Roglic moved teams.
I just very much disagree with the narrative that he got treated badly.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Rogla was the leader for years. Then he was co-leader. Then Jonas got better. You can't say he was treated badly. He got his chances, he didn't win. Admittedly bad luck had a lot to do with it. But also one time because of a very bad TT.
In my opinion it's all good. Jonas got better, and I totally understand Roglic moved teams.
I just very much disagree with the narrative that he got treated badly.

So basically one could objectively say that Rogla wasn't a Tour team leader anymore, for years, and now he is a Tour team leader again? Or what am i missing here if that is not the case?

 

[AmRacer]

@AmRacer
@Cycling111

In the gist of it exactly, that is what i was saying, some people acting like they don't know what i am talking about. Therefore after around Tour 2021, Rogla was not Tour team leader anymore, for whatever reasons involved. At Tour 2025 it seems that Rogla is back in the saddle again.

Chapeau!

Roglas best chance winning the Tour was 2020 and 2021.

 

[AmRacer]

So basically one could objectively say that Rogla wasn't a Tour team leader anymore, for years, and now he is a Tour team leader again? Or what am i missing here if that is not the case?

You are missing the case Rogla won't win the Tour.

 

[Froome]

That Rogla will beat Teddy & Skeletor with his eyes closed.

Mano a mano roglic can't beat them, but we never know, bad luck happens sometimes.

 

[Red Rick]

Rogla was the leader for years. Then he was co-leader. Then Jonas got better. You can't say he was treated badly. He got his chances, he didn't win. Admittedly bad luck had a lot to do with it. But also one time because of a very bad TT.
In my opinion it's all good. Jonas got better, and I totally understand Roglic moved teams.
I just very much disagree with the narrative that he got treated badly.

Yes and no.

Roglic asked for Tour leadership in 2019 and Jumbo went "Lol Groenewegen it is"

 

[Froome]

After Vingegaard and Pogacar, Roglic is naturally the next favourite on par with remco.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Roglas best chance winning the Tour was 2020 and 2021.

In stomp era likely, youngsters then got afraid of that, realised they are never going to beat Rogla on his terrain and changed the rules of engagement. Rogla adapted as i tend to agree that 2020/2021 edition wouldn't do.

You are missing the case Rogla won't win the Tour.

Straw man.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Mano a mano roglic can't beat them, but we never know, bad luck happens sometimes.

Moot point. Most of you still seem to believe Rogla plans to beat Pogi, Jonas and Remco stomping, meanwhile he was murdering the hills.

 

[AmRacer]

In stomp era likely, youngsters then got afraid of that, realised they are never going to beat Rogla on his terrain and changed the rules of engagement. Rogla adapted as i tend to agree that 2020/2021 edition wouldn't do.



Straw man.

Yes, that's you. Jonas and Tadej upped the game and Rogla was left with nothing.

 

[AmRacer]

Moot point. Most of you still seem to believe Rogla plans to beat Pogi, Jonas and Remco stomping.

Rogla cannot beat Jonas and Tadej in any way.

 

[Froome]

In stomp era likely, youngsters then got afraid of that, realised they are never going to beat Rogla on his terrain and changed the rules of engagement. Rogla adapted as i tend to agree that 2020/2021 edition wouldn't do.



Straw man.

What do you mean with youngsters changing the rules of engagement?

 

[CyclistAbi]

What do you mean with youngsters changing the rules of engagement?

To beat Rogla they had to go from early on.

 

[Froome]

To beat Rogla they had to go from early on.

Abi sometimes i don't know if you are talking serious or not.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Abi sometimes i don't know if you are talking serious or not.

Most of the time i struggle too, still it's rather clear on what ended the stomp era. Rogla adapted, even built a nice support team along the way. All in all in a rather good place again, prepared to give the love another chance.

 

[AmRacer]

Most of the time i struggle too, still it's rather clear on what ended the stomp era. Rogla adapted, even built a nice support team along the way. All in all in a rather good place again, prepared to give the love another chance.

But he won't win.

 

[CyclistAbi]

But he won't win.

There are no winners in love.

 

[AmRacer]

There are no winners in love.

What's love got to do with it?

 

[CyclistAbi]

What's love got to do with it?

A casual Rogla fan will tell you you have to look at it with your heart, otherwise you are doing it wrong. It's the heart, on what got us all here in the first place. It was always about full range of emotions and not spreadsheets. Faith is something i see you lack too. Try it out sometimes. Stuff the champions are made of. And boy is Rogla a true champion.

 

[RedheadDane]

He's taking a very important step towards not crashing out of the Tour:
Not riding Dauphine.
As has been previously discussed, the winner of Dauphine tends to either win the Tour... or crash out of the Tour (or simply just be very anonymous).
Roglic has crashed out of the last 3 Tours he started.
By not riding Dauphine, he ensures that he won't accidentally "do a Fuglsang", and ride away to the win while the main rivals are looking at each other.

 

[Gratemans]

So basically one could objectively say that Rogla wasn't a Tour team leader anymore, for years, and now he is a Tour team leader again? Or what am i missing here if that is not the case?

Yes, you could very well objectively say that. And you'd be right.
But I was arguing he didn't get treated badly. Someone just got better than him at that particular team, for that particular goal (Tour). No harm, no foul.

 

[kn0s]

Yes, you could very well objectively say that. And you'd be right.
But I was arguing he didn't get treated badly. Someone just got better than him at that particular team, for that particular goal (Tour). No harm, no foul.

Well what is the definition of "for years" ?

In 22 Jumbo had to find a way to beat Pogi and when with a classic multi leader strategy after Jonas was superior on Ventoux in 21. In 23 you can't really go without the winner, so Rog did Giro/Vuelta. That's it, all 100% natural. If this is "for years" then i'm just wired differently.