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Peyroteo94

Peyroteo94

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Rogla in his Nicolas Cage Face/Off crazy arc and I'm here for it.

Riding up to randoms in the peloton and saying "I don't give a ****!" is basically peak 1990's John Woo.
 
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CyclistAbi

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Peyroteo94 said:
So much talk about his Giro-Tour attempt and how he was using Giro as a training camp for the Tour.
Let’s be serious, he just wanted to win the Giro and finish the Tour before his retirement.
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For sure Rogla wanted to win the Giro, as for finishing the Tour and retirement. Who? Rogla, GOAT, invincible duo ... Rogla indeed likely to retire, somebody or something in the process.
 
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Rest day Twitch stream is coming.

"Chat, I literally don't care"

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CyclistAbi

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When listening to Luke the rationale i take from it is Luke would take the money and would care. Said that and looking at current GC standings, that paints a slightly different picture. RBH currently with two riders in top 10 and climbing, Rogla still leading the pack.

Imagine if Rogla actually starts to care. We'll see.
 
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CyclistAbi

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Krzysztof_O said:
So what's your prediction? Rogla starting caring in the Pyrenees? Will he demolish Pogi & Vingo on Hautacam?
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Nah, Rogla doesn't care, legs are already empty ... don't be silly. It's not like he will even try on the ramp at the end of stage 6, let alone on some big hill. He is just naturally buoyant, that is on why he is basically peaking towards the top of GC, as the stages go by, day in day out.
 
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Peyroteo94 said:
So much talk about his Giro-Tour attempt and how he was using Giro as a training camp for the Tour.
Let’s be serious, he just wanted to win the Giro and finish the Tour before his retirement.
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I get the impression that conversations went like this:

-after 2024, neither roglic nor BORA believe he can win the TDF

-bora want to send him to other grand tours because they want to win a grand tour on 2025

-roglic wants to go to the tour to show himself, compete on the mountains and finish the race, something he hasn't been able to do for 5 years

-bora try to persuade roglic to do giro-vuelta, but can't

-roglic agrees to do the giro because the team wants to win that race, on the condition that he goes to the tour after

-bora send a full team to support Roglic at the giro but don't do the same at the tour because they don't feel winning is realistic

-roglic has won the giro already, and finished a few times, he doesn't like the rain and cold, the dangerous roads. Although he agreed to target the giro he is not 100% motivated by it and does not have a good race

-now at the tour the team wants to get as much out of the race as possible, going for stages, and isn't 100% behind Roglic, Roglic himself knows he is not at his best but doing as well as possible at the tour is important to him given his history with the race.
 
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Am I the only one who thinks he's taking the **** with his comments? I mean sure he's not great but I suspect he's trying to ride into some form here.

Otherwise he'd just ride gruppetto and target a stage without teammates protecting him.
 
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Rackham said:
Am I the only one who thinks he's taking the **** with his comments? I mean sure he's not great but I suspect he's trying to ride into some form here.
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If it was only in the media, then sure. But in the peloton too? Would be weird imo
 
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Ilmaestro99 said:
I get the impression that conversations went like this:

-after 2024, neither roglic nor BORA believe he can win the TDF

-bora want to send him to other grand tours because they want to win a grand tour on 2025

-roglic wants to go to the tour to show himself, compete on the mountains and finish the race, something he hasn't been able to do for 5 years

-bora try to persuade roglic to do giro-vuelta, but can't

-roglic agrees to do the giro because the team wants to win that race, on the condition that he goes to the tour after

-bora send a full team to support Roglic at the giro but don't do the same at the tour because they don't feel winning is realistic

-roglic has won the giro already, and finished a few times, he doesn't like the rain and cold, the dangerous roads. Although he agreed to target the giro he is not 100% motivated by it and does not have a good race

-now at the tour the team wants to get as much out of the race as possible, going for stages, and isn't 100% behind Roglic, Roglic himself knows he is not at his best but doing as well as possible at the tour is important to him given his history with the race.
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This is very plausible but I don't get why Bora prefers Giro over being more competetive at the Tour. I could understand it if they didn't already get their second tier Grand Tour win last year.
Now they only look like fools with their poor Tour squad .
 
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In the Eurosport broadcast they showed a pre-stage interview with Rog in which he clarified his "I don't care" comments by saying he basically cannot control how fast Vinge, Pog and Evenepoel race so even though "of course you care", he's just riding his race day by day.
 
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kamaveli said:
This is very plausible but I don't get why Bora prefers Giro over being more competetive at the Tour. I could understand it if they didn't already get their second tier Grand Tour win last year.
Now they only look like fools with their poor Tour squad .
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They don't. This story is not at all plausible if you know Denk. He pretty much only cares about the Tour. The plan was to win the Giro relatively easy with a preparation more suited for the third week. Then train for the Tour and get on the podium there if not more.

I think after how this is all going they decided to hedge their bet with Lipowitz but I think still under the expression that Roglic is the leader and can perform on a high level. I think after the Tour this goes straight to a contract termination. The way Roglic talks here and represents the team is totally without any respect and I'm really disappointed in this conduct. If thats your mindest just don't start the tour and retire. Even Lipowitz worked for Roglic in the opening stages to give him the best position possible. You can't be a leader of a team and show this attitude in your communication.
 
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Filippo_3467 said:
They don't. This story is not at all plausible if you know Denk. He pretty much only cares about the Tour. The plan was to win the Giro relatively easy with a preparation more suited for the third week. Then train for the Tour and get on the podium there if not more.

I think after how this is all going they decided to hedge their bet with Lipowitz but I think still under the expression that Roglic is the leader and can perform on a high level. I think after the Tour this goes straight to a contract termination. The way Roglic talks here and represents the team is totally without any respect and I'm really disappointed in this conduct. If thats your mindest just don't start the tour and retire. Even Lipowitz worked for Roglic in the opening stages to give him the best position possible. You can't be a leader of a team and show this attitude in your communication.
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You wish :tearsofjoy:
 
Red Rick

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Rackham said:
In the Eurosport broadcast they showed a pre-stage interview with Rog in which he clarified his "I don't care" comments by saying he basically cannot control how fast Vinge, Pog and Evenepoel race so even though "of course you care", he's just riding his race day by day.
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Might as well read "meditations" by Marcus Aurelius out loud tot hem in perfect, broken English.
 
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Filippo_3467 said:
They don't. This story is not at all plausible if you know Denk. He pretty much only cares about the Tour. The plan was to win the Giro relatively easy with a preparation more suited for the third week. Then train for the Tour and get on the podium there if not more.

I think after how this is all going they decided to hedge their bet with Lipowitz but I think still under the expression that Roglic is the leader and can perform on a high level. I think after the Tour this goes straight to a contract termination. The way Roglic talks here and represents the team is totally without any respect and I'm really disappointed in this conduct. If thats your mindest just don't start the tour and retire. Even Lipowitz worked for Roglic in the opening stages to give him the best position possible. You can't be a leader of a team and show this attitude in your communication.
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This is pretty funny. It is not about who says what, that is easy. It is about how you perform. And the truth is that Rog is pretty much the only RBH rider who has won a race. Of course Catalunya is not enough but sometimes you get injured. It is what it is. On the other hand, the whole RBH team has been performing like a mid pack PRO team. So if anybody need to be fired it is the management.
 
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@Ilmaestro99

Rogla wanted to do Giro-Tour combo when still riding for Visma and was denied. Rest assured it was his intimate choice to do so in 2025 season, highly likely this not being the last attempt.

@Krzysztof_O

Exactly, that is journalist tend to be selective. So today, when Rogla was asked if he really doesn't care he explained he doesn't care on how Pogi, Jonas and Remco race, he is here to do his best and cares only about that. So do you imagine Adam will now apologise, knowing he misinterpreted Rogla? In the end all you have to do is ask, Rogla will give you a honest answer.

@Rackham

Rest assured he is great.

@Berniece

Ask Thomas, he will tell you a thing or two about that.

@Carols

I agree that team selection is rather strange, still you wouldn't believe what ideas some people in the team thread had, compared to that Rogla still is riding in a super team and lets build on that. Next year we can take Rogla, Lipo, Giulio and Remco. Then Slovenia, Germany, Italy and Belgium won't allow for any surprises and it will be a tad easier, for Rogla to defend the title.

As for Tour 2025 i am extremely pleased that Rogla undertook it like riding Vuelta. Likely this is the most Rogla edition of the Tour so far. In other occurrences much less roglification of the Tour was involved.

Guys, lets enjoy it, this is an edition dedicated to the fans.
 
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