Explosion at Boston Marathon

[thirteen]

Lost my clicker going back and forth from Fox to CNN and my computer. Fox now reporting a pending and new, news conference.

CNN is usually better on breaking news.

this is true.

thank you for keeping me up-to-date. like i said, limited resources -- otherwise i'd be clicking away like you.

 

[rhubroma]

This isn't about who I, or anybody else, thinks is behind it.

The issue at hand is the recurrent instances of mass murder in a country that has become obsessed with security. At least that much is clear.

 

[thirteen]

Agreed, 13. I just hope it's not a Muslim, or the blood lust will know no bounds.

moi aussi.

we really don't need more xenophobia in this world -- there's enough already.

 

[BillytheKid]

Fox now reports the Associated Press has also confirmed an arrest in Boston.
Helo Shots of new crews outside.

 

[Tom T.]

Agreed, 13. I just hope it's not a Muslim, or the blood lust will know no bounds.

Tom T - if you don't like it here, well dude, you know what you can do....

Shove it up your fat a$$.

I grew up in the town next to the where the marathon starts. I watched it every year in person. Bill Rodgers, Greg Meyer, Toshihiko Seko, Alberto Salazar were my heroes. My dream was to run Boston, which I did twice in the early 1990's. This event is extremely special to me and most Bostonians. I was driving through Boston when this happened on Monday.

I also hang out here on these forums a little bit, so I find this bickering about who did it and why to be offensive. Why are you fighting? Why are you using this tragic event to further your political viewpoints? You're right, I could leave, maybe I should, but I think someone needs to point out what a bunch of insufferable ****ers many of you are. To see that picture of that 8 year old boy on this thread and yet you carry on as if it wasn't there, talking about which right-wing or left-wing group is capable of doing what or did what 25 years ago. What is wrong with some of you?

 

[VeloCity]

Fox News has now confirmed that an arrest has been made base on Television Video compared with video from a surveillance camera.

Out of curiosity, how do they "identify" someone so quickly just from security video? I mean, you see (let's say) a dark-skinned guy wearing a baseball hat drop a black bag, sure, that's obvious enough, but how do they go from there to determining exactly who the person is so quickly? I can only think that perhaps it's someone the FBI or BPD is already familiar with?

 

[thirteen]

thank you, Flo, for posting this. and all the wonderful comments posters have made about it. it shows that at least there's one thing, at least, we can all agree on.

 

[RetroActive]

Moi? For Homeland Security???

I've always said it's not going to last forever chap. This is just the beginning.

I know. The writhing contortions of denial, delusion, cognitive dissonance etc. are going to be expressed in all sorts of increasing crazy.

 

[BillytheKid]

moi aussi.

we really don't need more xenophobia in this world -- there's enough already.

Fox News in Prime Time, 6-10 pm, is politically right editorial. Their news wing during the daytime and 5 pm is only slightly so. On my cable both channels are side-by-side they offset the bias nicely. If I only had more sources.

 

[Scott SoCal]

Within the immense human and cultural forest of America is that “other terrorism,” the one Made in the USA, hidden like a serpent in the bush. An indigenous terrorism: a clot of Neo-Nazi militias, violent ecologists and animalists, anti-government “patriots,” rebels without a cause, anti-abortionists, KKK splinters and veteran urban guerrillas who combined have committed over the last decades on American soil many more attacks than Al Qaeda and its affiliates.

The stats registered over the last decades have confirmed that even if no one has reached the apotheosis of horror obtained at the Twin Towers, this certainly hasn’t been for a lack of trying. Of the 95 attacks classified as “terrorist” by the National Security Agency, 6 have been securely attributed to Al Qaeda, to AQAP, the Saudi strain of the network, and Tehrik-i-Taliban, the ****stani cell. The remaining 89 are works of organizations like the Department of Justice (not the governmental agency), but a group of wingnuts that demands justice against the oppression of Washington, the KKK, as well as various animalist and ecological expressions (ELF and ALF). As much, therefore, as foreign terrorism, home grown terrorism has as its objective the same target: the US government, which, according to their worldview, is the seat of all iniquity. Yet the various militias and violent groups that have dispersed the bombs, killed, maimed and intimidated, have each spread over an ideological arch the same draft of hatred. The assassins of medics who practice legal abortion in the name of pro-life obviously have nothing in common with the man who struck the 1996 Atlanta Olympic park with a bomb of nails and shrapnel, the same type of bomb used at Boston, though the devastating results are the same.

Each of these dozens of groups, cells and militias according to a paramilitary criteria found above all in the Midwest, has a totem to knock down and one to erect. The isolated find their cause, like the Unabomber who despised the academic-industrial-financial complex, or the uber-Christians of the deep South who abhor the impiety of a Washington that wants to impose upon God’s people, at least as they claim to be, atrocities such as pro-choice and gay matrimony. If there exists a point in common it’s to be found in a shared hatred for any institutionalized order that goes against their voluntarily circumscribed world view. On the right this signifies an armed struggle against that most hateful means through which any government negates liberty to a “patriotic people,” as they frequently define themselves: taxes. Those payments which every April 15th are required of that Moloch that is the State.

A research conducted by West Point last year has evidenced a massive increase, and yet almost unobserved, of internal terrorism. Between 1990 and 2011 the attacks, successful or otherwise, by groups or individuals of the extreme right in the US went from 35 to 350 each year (a ten-fold increment). The peak always occurs during an election year, which unleashes that folly and hate that we witnessed before Obama’s arrival on the scene. The virulence of national terrorism reached its historical record in 2008, with 550 strikes, according to West Point.

In these past months many factors have converged to create a potential critical mass that the investigators, caught completely off-guard, are presently analyzing, together with the magisterial Islamic lead. Obama’s battle to curtail the access to firearms, for example, the talisman of real “patriots,” has raised the ire of those who see in their own riffles the vestiges (and inheritance) of the bygone anti-British revolutionaries. Then there would be the proposal of a law to grant illegal immigrants amnesty, which is another sore spot for the violent right, as well as the increase of taxes requested by Obama to sustain social programs and the inexorable advance of legal rights for gays: pure, unadulterated hatred for the “ni-gger” and “foreign” White House resident. It’s a potential witches brew that’s capable of irritating the serpent, provoking her to come out of the bush and bite that America they love to the point of hating Americans.

Capito?

Who knew a "militia attitude" was so exhaustive?

I'm more than a little offended by your use of the 'N' word.

 

[VeloCity]

Shove it up your fat a$$.

I grew up in the town next to the where the marathon starts. I watched it every year in person. Bill Rodgers, Greg Meyer, Toshihiko Seko, Alberto Salazar were my heroes. My dream was to run Boston, which I did twice in the early 1990's. This event is extremely special to me and most Bostonians. I was driving through Boston when this happened on Monday.

I also hang out here on these forums a little bit, so I find this bickering about who did it and why to be offensive. Why are you fighting? Why are you using this tragic event to further your political viewpoints? You're right, I could leave, maybe I should, but I think someone needs to point out what a bunch of insufferable ****ers many of you are. To see that picture of that 8 year old boy on this thread and yet you carry on as if it wasn't there, talking about which right-wing or left-wing group is capable of doing what or did what 25 years ago. What is wrong with some of you?

Chill dude. It's a forum where people discuss things. What exactly did you expect? That no one was going to post anything except deepest sympathies? It's a terrible tragedy that's obviously hit closer to home for some than for others, but I think you're also allowing that to bias your judgement - if it had been say Vancouver instead of Boston, I highly doubt you'd find the discussion so apparently offensive.

 

[thirteen]

Fox now reports the Associated Press has also confirmed an arrest in Boston.
Helo Shots of new crews outside.

thank you, Billy. really appreciate it... AJ is busy with the Thatcher funeral.

Out of curiosity, how do they "identify" someone so quickly just from security video? I mean, you see (let's say) a dark-skinned guy wearing a baseball hat drop a black bag, sure, that's obvious enough, but how do they go from there to determining exactly who the person is so quickly? I can only think that perhaps it's someone the FBI or BPD is already familiar with?

that is what they are implying. it had to be a "known" individual -- otherwise this wouldn't have happened so fast.

and now, CNN is reporting that there has NOT been an arrest nor do they know who the person is. so no identity, no custody.

 

[rhubroma]

Shove it up your fat a$$.

I grew up in the town next to the where the marathon starts. I watched it every year in person. Bill Rodgers, Greg Meyer, Toshihiko Seko, Alberto Salazar were my heroes. My dream was to run Boston, which I did twice in the early 1990's. This event is extremely special to me and most Bostonians. I was driving through Boston when this happened on Monday.

I also hang out here on these forums a little bit, so I find this bickering about who did it and why to be offensive. Why are you fighting? Why are you using this tragic event to further your political viewpoints? You're right, I could leave, maybe I should, but I think someone needs to point out what a bunch of insufferable ****ers many of you are. To see that picture of that 8 year old boy on this thread and yet you carry on as if it wasn't there, talking about which right-wing or left-wing group is capable of doing what or did what 25 years ago. What is wrong with some of you?

In all honesty sir, and I'm very sorry for your anguished state (seriously), however, the world is full of 8 year olds who get slaughtered every day, though remain totally anonymous to all those beyond their limited scope.

We aren't being disrespectful by inquiring about the issues that inevitably revolve around the circumstances, however unpleasant: which are inevitably political, social, perhaps even religious.

If you want to live in this world then you can't only look at the ***-dory stuff, as its filthy. Filthy and the muck keeps bogging us down.

 

[thirteen]

Fox News in Prime Time, 6-10 pm, is politically right editorial. Their news wing during the daytime and 5 pm is only slightly so. On my cable both channels are side-by-side they offset the bias nicely. If I only had more sources.

i do the same thing myself when i'm visiting home.

wasn't Al Jazeera English picked up by some cable network? despite the connotations the name brings, it's truly an excellent news source. they seem to cut through the chaff.

 

[Scott SoCal]

Agreed, 13. I just hope it's not a Muslim, or the blood lust will know no bounds.

Tom T - if you don't like it here, well dude, you know what you can do....

You have company. David Sirota....

I still hope the bomber is a white American

By the way, you don’t have to be a person of color or a political liberal to hope the bomber ends up being a white American. You just have to be among the groups of Americans who don’t like stuff like preemptive wars, the Patriot Act, warrantless wiretapping, the drone war, an unsustainable Pentagon budget and a broken immigration system. By their own rhetoric, some of those groups must include many self-described conservatives — after all, they purport to care about civil liberties and say they want to reduce government spending.

That gets back to the original point: The reason to hope that the bomber is a white American is because in a country where white privilege and double standards so obviously affect our national security reactions, that outcome will better guarantee that the reaction to Boston is a bit more measured.

Gotta be a white guy or the liberal agenda in Amerika will be set back a bit. So let's all keep our fingers crossed. All politics all of the time.

http://www.salon.com/2013/04/17/i_still_hope_the_bomber_is_a_white_american/

 

[thirteen]

You have company. David Sirota....

I still hope the bomber is a white American

and, perhaps, O'Reilly as well?

 

[BillytheKid]

Out of curiosity, how do they "identify" someone so quickly just from security video? I mean, you see (let's say) a dark-skinned guy wearing a baseball hat drop a black bag, sure, that's obvious enough, but how do they go from there to determining exactly who the person is so quickly? I can only think that perhaps it's someone the FBI or BPD is already familiar with?

One report, uncredited source on FOX reporter, said that the circuit board recovered from one of the bombs was consistent with a cell-phone trigger. Data from cell phone tracking cross referenced with the exact time of the blasts to the exact list of phones possible.

FOX now retracting the arrest story, but unusual that the source of arrest cited was said to be was congressional HLS committee member and not law enforcement or FBI. Stay tuned. Single sources are either correct or not.

It would also unusual for the FBI to release the information considering that more than one individual may be involved. I would not completely discount the congressional "leak." I don't think we will be hearing any names of a person in custody or under arrest any time soon.

 

[Amsterhammer]

You have company. David Sirota....

I still hope the bomber is a white American



Gotta be a white guy or the liberal agenda in Amerika will be set back a bit. So let's all keep our fingers crossed. All politics all of the time.

http://www.salon.com/2013/04/17/i_still_hope_the_bomber_is_a_white_american/

Did you see me express any preference about who the perp should be? No, you didn't. I said what I said because if it turns out to be a Muslim, again, the blood lust will become even more sickening than it already is. The wingnuts are calling for limbs to be hacked off before a public hanging!

Latest from CNN is that there may not be anyone in custody after all - huge throng of reporters and camera crews waiting at the courthouse.

 

[Amsterhammer]

LATEST - "no suspect in custody".

 

[VeloCity]

You have company. David Sirota....

I still hope the bomber is a white American



Gotta be a white guy or the liberal agenda in Amerika will be set back a bit. So let's all keep our fingers crossed. All politics all of the time.

http://www.salon.com/2013/04/17/i_still_hope_the_bomber_is_a_white_american/

When you say all politics all of the time, do you mean like this?

The Boston Marathon bombings show that immigration reform could endanger the public, Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) said Tuesday, speculating that the attack might have been perpetrated by an immigrant. King, who has previously vowed to block a pathway to citizenship for undocumented immigrants, said the Boston bombings should slow movement on immigration reform. "If we can’t background-check people that are coming from Saudi Arabia, how do we think we are going to background-check the 11 to 20 million people that are here from who knows where?" he said.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/16/steve-king-boston-bombings_n_3092929.html

 

[Scott SoCal]

Shove it up your fat a$$.

I grew up in the town next to the where the marathon starts. I watched it every year in person. Bill Rodgers, Greg Meyer, Toshihiko Seko, Alberto Salazar were my heroes. My dream was to run Boston, which I did twice in the early 1990's. This event is extremely special to me and most Bostonians. I was driving through Boston when this happened on Monday.

I also hang out here on these forums a little bit, so I find this bickering about who did it and why to be offensive. Why are you fighting? Why are you using this tragic event to further your political viewpoints? You're right, I could leave, maybe I should, but I think someone needs to point out what a bunch of insufferable ****ers many of you are. To see that picture of that 8 year old boy on this thread and yet you carry on as if it wasn't there, talking about which right-wing or left-wing group is capable of doing what or did what 25 years ago. What is wrong with some of you?

Sorry you have been offended. I take issue with the total politicization of this kind of horror.

That's what is wrong with me.

 

[BillytheKid]

i do the same thing myself when i'm visiting home.

wasn't Al Jazeera English picked up by some cable network? despite the connotations the name brings, it's truly an excellent news source. they seem to cut through the chaff.

In breaking news of this magnitude, the chaff is always thick and impossible to cut through so you do have to always take it with as we say "grain of salt."

However, reporters have to follow every lead. We will have wait to here from the FBI.

 

[VeloCity]

In breaking news of this magnitude, the chaff is always thick and impossible to cut through so you do have to always take it with as we say "grain of salt."

However, reporters have to follow every lead. We will have wait to here from the FBI.

"There is conflicting information as to whether someone has been arrested in connection with the Boston Marathon bombings. A federal law enforcement source told CNN's Fran Townsend that someone was arrested. But later, two senior administration officials and another federal official told Townsend that there had been a misunderstanding among officials and that no one has been arrested."

Sounds to me like CNN may have jumped the gun in the same way the NY Post did about the Saudi guy and now they're backtracking. I suppose that's the danger of trying to be first.

 

[Scott SoCal]

and, perhaps, O'Reilly as well?

Apparently.

I kinda hope they catch the perp. Not overly interested in blaming by proxy anyone else for what this perp did.

 

[Scott SoCal]

Did you see me express any preference about who the perp should be? No, you didn't. I said what I said because if it turns out to be a Muslim, again, the blood lust will become even more sickening than it already is. The wingnuts are calling for limbs to be hacked off before a public hanging!

Latest from CNN is that there may not be anyone in custody after all - huge throng of reporters and camera crews waiting at the courthouse.

If you read Sirota's original article he more or less makes the same point.

I probably should have posted it too.

http://www.salon.com/2013/04/16/lets_hope_the_boston_marathon_bomber_is_a_white_american/