Fancy Bears hack ADAMS system

[arcus]

Wada employed cyber-espionage specialists to look into the data breach. They discovered hackers were able to access Wada's system "multiple times" in August and September after obtaining passwords and usernames with a 'phishing' attack on Wada and International Olympic Committee emails, tricking people into divulging personal information.

I assumed that it was a more sophisticated hack :surprised:

This must mean WADA and IOC employees fell victim to phishing emails.. If this is true, heads will role.

 

[Benotti69]

WADA claiming fancy bears have doctored the TUEs.!

Strange that as no athlete has come out and said the information is false!

WADA lying? No way not that upstanding impartial organisation of supreme credibility!!

 

[CTQ]

" MAY have been changed" And " SOME of the datas
http://m.bbc.com/sport/37570246

 

[Benotti69]

Re:

" MAY have been changed" And " SOME of the datas
http://m.bbc.com/sport/37570246

I think if this was the case the athletes in question would have been in the media pointing this out and their various news organisations would've taken great pleasure in slamming the Russians as 'doctoring' documents to make athletes look bad.

WADA trying to generate a false narrative.

 

[sheisdisaster]

Lol the british state-controlled TV is so desperate

Hackers who leaked medical records of some of the world's biggest sports stars may have doctored data, says Wada. http://bbc.in/2dGAJK2

https://twitter.com/BBCSport/status/783919909071941633

 

[Huapango]

Alistair Brownlee

I still think there's something fishy about the Alistair Brownlee TUE. Does anyone have any info on the actual date(s) Kilimanjaro was climbed besides "October 2013?"

 

[pastronef]

Re: Alistair Brownlee

I still think there's something fishy about the Alistair Brownlee TUE. Does anyone have any info on the actual date(s) Kilimanjaro was climbed besides "October 2013?"

his tweet about travelling to Kilimanjaro

https://twitter.com/AliBrownleetri/status/385663906485915648

 

[AlbineVespuzzio]

[quote="It doesn't matter who leaks the information, what's important is the content...
...Why am I saying this? Well, because it ties in to the Fancy Bears leak, which you are against, because you feel it is Russian propaganda (though you didn't say it directly) and it is Russia's way of some payback. Of course, there is an element of 'retribution' here, but we are discussing this in the clinic, why wouldn't we welcome such leaks?

Well, their work isn't pro-Russian propaganda, but it also isn't completely honest, and it isn't motivated by the desire for clean competition

Why would you require them to obey to your standards of honesty or motivations or whatever? They are not an entity, they have no responsabilities towards you or society, they're just a bunch of people doing a favour to the world. You can either approve them, or take it in the chin, because there's nothing you can do about it.

"We are Fancy Bears' international hack team."
They don’t need anyone international to participate - a single person in Russia could have done the hack, using crude methods.

So what? It doesn't mean it did. You don't know it, I don't know it, you're just speculating.

The ones involved in this particular breach and info-war are probably just a handful of Russian nationalists. Some of the other actions attributed to them also point toward a small domestic group

More speculation. Pointless, you don't even try to draft the beginning of an argument.

"We are ‘Anonymous’."
Untrue, they are not affiliated with that group

You suffer from a basic misconception. When you realise that, perhaps you'll stop making baseless speculations, because your insight instincts are not particularly sharp.

Anonymous is not a group that requires affiliation in the common acception of the word. It's just a bunch of people that share a set of values, among them a belief that internet and information should be free and available to all. They don't check each other and ask each other a membership card.

[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonymous_(group]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonymous_(group)

Anonymous is a loosely associated international network of activist and hacktivist entities.
(...)
Membership is open to anyone who wishes to state they are a member of the collective;
Carole Cadwalladr of The Observer compared the group's decentralized structure to that of al-Qaeda, writing, "If you believe in Anonymous, and call yourself Anonymous, you are Anonymous."

Get it?

"We stand for fair play and clean sport."
"Fairness" means everyone would be treated equally, whereas they want justice by revenge.

It is a form of justice. I believe every opportunity was given to the west to treat people equally. It wasn't taken. Now you need to accept what happened.

It was an injustice for all Russian athletes to have been categorically excluded, when only some were doping. Unfortunately, in their retaliation, they claim that everyone named on their selective list is a “doper”.

According to their definition of "doper", someone that takes or took Performance Enhancing Drugs, it's true. They have the proof. If you want people to consider other aspects like the need to dope, the justifications to dope, maybe that's where they are aiming at. However, they're doing their part, which is the release of information. It's up to the society to reflect upon it.

I broke five bones in a race training crash, are they saying I should have had the surgery without anaesthesia ?

Maybe you shouldn't have competed with broken bones? At least if you didn't want to be named in a doper list. That to me sounds reasonable.

Fairness and transparency would be: for the entire archive to released all at once.
They have got the whole recent history of the sports in there. If their concern was really as they claim, then they would have published the data through freedom-of-information outlets, like WikiLeaks. Or, they could have just done a file dump of the entire database.

Maybe they don't see it like that? There's a thing called strategy. It's not convenient to others, maybe, but like I said, they just have to take it in the chin. And watch the events unfold.

"After detailed studying of the hacked WADA databases we figured out that dozens of American athletes had tested positive."
If so, then we should expect to see dozens of Adverse Analytical Findings released soon. Not just the TUE’s. FancyBears, please elaborate on this.

Even though they released some already, I don't think they care what you demand of them. Just take it in the chin.

 

[AlbineVespuzzio]

And *** the athletes. It's individuals that are being named, but that's just a consequence of the circunstances. What's being targeted here is not the individuals but the institutions of sport, of which the athletes are a big part of it.

They had the opportunity in the summer to speak out, as a group, about the injustice their colleagues were suffering. They chose to stay quiet, so now it seems fitting no effort in discriminating named athletes is being taken. They have TUEs, they risk being named.

A couple of years ago, athletes competing in Russia manifested themselves against sexual orientation discriminatory laws in Russia. Some painted the nails with rainbow colours, others spoke out in the media. They did allright at the time, they should have done something similar this time because a group of their colleagues were also being discriminated in Rio, for their nationality. They opted for silence, or, worse, for ganging upon them. That was wrong.

*** them now.

 

[AlbineVespuzzio]

Even though they released some already, I don't think they care what you demand of them.

Actually, none of that was a demand, it was a joke. Pointing out that they will most likely not release any records of athletes from Russia or former Soviet republics. To me, it's funny.

Well, they have already. You're laughing, but once again, you got it wrong. Check again.

I suppose that liars and hypocrites still have a slight moral edge over competitive cheaters.

What? Who lied?

Just take it in the chin.

There is nothing to take offense to, it doesn't affect me, and I said that overall it will be for the better that they have done this.

Luigi

Yeah, I read it, what you have to take in the chin is that they don't govern themselves for your set of values. That was in reply to your objections regarding how the information was released or their motivations in doing so.

 

[BullsFan22]

Did anybody catch the latest leaks? Sounds like it got ol' Travis Tygart all mad!

 

[Huapango]

Did anybody catch the latest leaks? Sounds like it got ol' Travis Tygart all mad!

Go Bears! I'm kind of enjoying this. I hope the spreadsheet with the 200 athletes' names will get uploaded. There must be quite a few sick cyclists in the US.

 

[AlbineVespuzzio]

They are announcing this

We keep on fighting for clean competition. We've got a few emails of the US sports officials who are involved in covering up doping. Today we start publishing USADA science director Dr. Matthew Fedoruk's emails.

This should be interesting

http://fancybear.net/pages/m.fedoruk.html

#TrustTheBears

 

[Night Rider]

Did anybody catch the latest leaks? Sounds like it got ol' Travis Tygart all mad!

Makes USADA look like the keystone cops.

 

[AlbineVespuzzio]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/37576197

They're sweating. Email release is a whole different level. Now nobody is sure who sent what to whom.

I guess that's the point.

#ThankYouBears

#NoPointInDeletingEmailsNowBlink

 

[AlbineVespuzzio]

Did anybody catch the latest leaks? Sounds like it got ol' Travis Tygart all mad!

Makes USADA look like the keystone cops.

The email from the dutch guy is interesting. One would swear that it had to be related with Russia and Sochi after everything we heard about it before the Olympics.

But no, it says Peter Van de Vliet

https://www.paralympic.org/the-ipc/committees/medical

 

[Night Rider]

Apologies if this info is earlier in the thread or another one, but, does anyone know the name of the rider from Sky who supposedly was told he couldn't fly on Wiggin's private plane? This incident was mentioned in David Walsh's Telegraph article the other day. Apparently it transpired that the doctor (Freeman?) flew with Wiggin's on said flight.

Full text of the article here https://www.reddit.com/r/peloton/comments/54cmx2/david_walsh_on_bradley_wiggins_in_sunday_times/

The way it's worded I would say it happened after the 2013 Giro. My guess is Stannard or Swift from Tour of Poland or I think the Enneco Tour.

Who is the guy referred to in this passage? Kennaugh or Stannard? Or Thomas?

On the night that Chris Froome won his first Tour de France in 2013, the team’s celebration began in a bar at the ...... At around 2.30am one of Sky’s riders said he had a bone to pick with me. “Earlier in the year you did an interview with Brad [Wiggins] and wrote that I was his best mate in the team. What made you say that?”

 

[domination]

The dampest of squibs continues....

 

[Benotti69]

Re:

The dampest of squibs continues....

It is not July???

 

[carolina]

the one about hemp protein powder is hilarious.

that's a very common vegan alternative for whey protein powder. you can buy it anywhere, it's not a PED.

 

[Brullnux]

Lol the british state-controlled TV is so desperate

Hackers who leaked medical records of some of the world's biggest sports stars may have doctored data, says Wada. http://bbc.in/2dGAJK2

https://twitter.com/BBCSport/status/783919909071941633

State controlled. Good one.

 

[heart_attack_man]

Re: Re:

If the Bears have the entire WADA email archives, then that makes it a much different ballgame, blows the lid off the organization

We can only hope. I very much doubt this will be the case, but if it were I'm sure we would have seen much more explosive revelations by now.

 

[rata de sentina]

Fancy Bears teacup tsunami continues as Moscow tries to tar everyone with the same brush.

 

[BullsFan22]

Fancy Bears teacup tsunami continues as Moscow tries to tar everyone with the same brush.

Well, various media outlets tried to tar every Russian with the same brush a few months ago.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Re: Re:

If the Bears have the entire WADA email archives, then that makes it a much different ballgame, blows the lid off the organization

I don't know. The content I've read from Fancy Bears suggests at least some of the NADOs like USADA are doing their job.

Email from Reedie has been leaked before and it's clear Reedie's first job is protecting Russia. The way Bach has responded to the whole Russian scandal is telling as well.

In that sense, it's not controversial to suggest at the most senior levels of WADA and the IOC, they want the corruption out of sight, but are otherwise indifferent. So, the lid has been blown off some time ago.

EDIT: You can go back to the Armstrong scandal when Diack and McQuaid were still WADA voting members publicly objecting to USADA's efforts.