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Netserk said:
The angel or the devil?
The devil already got taken 38, you should know cos you told me he's the worst 90's pick ;)

I was thinking more of in general, see if anyone emerges, with a particular eye on Zakarin, or any of the saxo lot who discover they can climb. Both guys you mention already imo had very strong gts and can go soon.
 
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burning said:
You guys are really fast and it really does not help that I'm super busy with RL stuff these days. :p

Anyway, I select Bobby Julich from '98 Tour as he's a very good TT'er and I need more guys that are strong on flats and can babysit Riis.
Of course, we are fast. This is the 1990's to present doping thread, not the 1940's doping thread where everyone is really slow cos they are on amphetamins or falling asleep behind trees due to too much alcohol.
 
I select Stefan Schumacher (2008 Tour de France)



One of the more ridiculous performances in recent years at a grand tour. Schumacher was sprinting to top-10's, smashing everyone in time trials, and even going on solo raids in the mountains. He beat all the favorites in the stage 4 time trial and held the yellow jersey for two days before losing it after being involved in a crash in the final kilometers on Super Besse. He also won the penultimate day time trial, beating everyone but Cancellara by over a minute. Surprising to nobody, his drug test samples came back hot for CERA when they were retested in the months following that Tour de France.

Pick 51: ciranda - Dario Frigo ('01 Giro)
Pick 52: Tonton - Leonardo Piepoli ('07 Giro)
Pick 53: Zam_Olyas - Yaroslav Popovych ('05 Tour)
Pick 54: Netserk - George Hincapie ('05 Tour)
Pick 55: burning - Bobby Julich ('98 Tour)
Pick 56: zlev11 - Stefan Schumacher ('08 Tour)
Pick 57: TheGreenMonkey -
Pick 58: The Sceptic -
Pick 59: The Hitch -
Pick 60: Libertine Seguros -
 
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zlev11 said:
I select Stefan Schumacher (2008 Tour de France)



One of the more ridiculous performances in recent years at a grand tour. Schumacher was sprinting to top-10's, smashing everyone in time trials, and even going on solo raids in the mountains. He beat all the favorites in the stage 4 time trial and held the yellow jersey for two days before losing it after being involved in a crash in the final kilometers on Super Besse. He also won the penultimate day time trial, beating everyone but Cancellara by over a minute. Surprising to nobody, his drug test samples came back hot for CERA when they were retested in the months following that Tour de France.

Pick 51: ciranda - Dario Frigo ('01 Giro)
Pick 52: Tonton - Leonardo Piepoli ('07 Giro)
Pick 53: Zam_Olyas - Yaroslav Popovych ('05 Tour)
Pick 54: Netserk - George Hincapie ('05 Tour)
Pick 55: burning - Bobby Julich ('98 Tour)
Pick 56: zlev11 - Stefan Schumacher ('08 Tour)
Pick 57: TheGreenMonkey -
Pick 58: The Sceptic -
Pick 59: The Hitch -
Pick 60: Libertine Seguros -
Very well done zlev11! He was going to be my next pick. His performance was insane. Maybe that's what made Netserk come up with his infamous motto.
 
For my next pick I am picking a rider who is better known for his success in one day races, twice world champion, twice LBL winner, twice Lombardia winner, MSR winner and Olympic gold medalist. He also did win 8 GT stages over varying terrain, and finished in the top ten of GT.

So I pick as a stage hunter and minor mountain domestique and all round helper Italian Paolo Bettini.

 
LOL, I am really having a stupid day. Don't crash your grandmother's car, having to tell her you crashed is not something you wan to do.

Anyway 1998 Giro where he finished 7th, I thought I put it in the post. Perhaps I could have gone elsewhere when he won stages, but that will do.
 
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TheGreenMonkey said:
1998 Giro where he finished 7th
I was aware of his 7th place, but since that was a couple of years before I started following cycling, I'm wondering how did he do it? Did he make gains from breakaway(s), or was he just the 7th best climber in the race? The field wasn't that weak, either.
 
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for my pick I select: Damiano Cunego, 2004 giro.



I'm surprised everyone seems to have forgotten about him. 2004 Cunego could pretty much do everything; win MTFs, win reduced bunch sprints and also win from the break.

always nice to get another mountain dom/stage hunter for my team.
 
I figured he'd fallen so low because the field he beat wasn't that great and the route that year was a bit lame (120km queen stage, really?) but the Pfalzen stage was epic, and Damiano in 2004 in general was just straight up insane. And of course he fits in this thread because "The Damiano who won the Giro no longer exists"...
 
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Libertine Seguros said:
I figured he'd fallen so low because the field he beat wasn't that great and the route that year was a bit lame (120km queen stage, really?) but the Pfalzen stage was epic, and Damiano in 2004 in general was just straight up insane. And of course he fits in this thread because "The Damiano who won the Giro no longer exists"...
+1 Libertine Seguros. What a stage that was. Nice pick for the sceptic.
 
So far the other two of my trio hasn't been picked, but I find it very likely for Hitch to take either of them, but Libertine will only touch one of them.Without giving too much away, I'm 90% sure that Libertine will pick the brother-in-law
 
This is where we're at: The Hitch is up.

Libertine Seguros - Miguel Indurain ('95 Tour), Laurent Jalabert ('95 Vuelta), Joseba Beloki ('01 Tour), José María Jiménez ('98 Vuelta), Fernando Escartin ('99 Tour)
The Hitch - Lance Armstrong ('04 Tour), Michael Rasmussen ('07 Tour), Nairo Quintana ('13 Tour), Vincenzo Nibali ('14 Tour), Andy Schleck ('09 Tour)
The Sceptic - Jan Ullrich ('97 Tour), Santi Pérez ('04 Vuelta), Chris Horner ('13 Vuelta), Aitor Gonzalez ('02 Vuelta), Mario Cipollini ('02 Giro)
The Green Monkey - Alberto Contador ('09 Tour), Ivan Gotti ('97 Giro), Alex Zülle ('95 Tour), Emanuele Sella ('08 Giro), Cadel Evans ('07 Tour),
zlev11 - Marco Pantani ('99 Giro), Floyd Landis ('06 Tour), Riccardo Ricco ('08 Tour), Iban Mayo ('03 Tour), Laurent Dufaux ('96 Tour)
burning - Bjarne Riis ('96 Tour), Richard Virenque ('97 Tour), Gilberto Simoni ('03 Giro), Bradley Wiggins ('12 Tour), Luc Leblanc ('94 Tour)
Netserk - Ivan Basso ('06 Giro), Piotr Ugrumov ('94 Tour), Pavel Tonkov ('98 Giro), Andreas Klöden ('06 Tour), Fabian Cancellara ('10 Tour)
Zam Olyas - Gianni Bugno ('90 Giro), Tony Rominger ('95 Giro), Denis Menchov ('09 Giro), Claudio Chiappucci ('92 Tour), Djamolidine Abdoujaparov ('93 Tour)
Tonton - Evgeni Berzin ('94 Giro), Chris Froome ('13 Tour), Alexander Vinokourov ('03 Tour), Alejandro Valverde ('09 Vuelta), Abraham Olano ('98 Vuelta)
ciranda - Roberto Heras ('04 Vuelta), Tyler Hamilton ('03 Tour ), Frank Vandenbroucke ('99 Vuelta), Joachim Rodriguez ('12 Vuelta), Raimondas Rumsas ('02 Tour)

Pick 51: ciranda - Dario Frigo ('01 Giro)
Pick 52: Tonton - Leonardo Piepoli ('07 Giro)
Pick 53: - Zam_Olyas - Yaroslav Popovych ('05 Tour)
Pick 54: Netserk - George HIncapie ('05 Tour)
Pick 55: burning - Bobby Julich ('98 Tour)
Pick 56: zlev11 - Stefan Schumacher ('08 Tour)
Pick 57: TheGreenMonkey - Paolo Bettini ('98 Giro)
Pick 58: The Sceptic - Damiano Cunego ('04 Giro)
Pick 59: The Hitch -
Pick 60: Libertine Seguros

Pick 61: ciranda...
 
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Netserk said:
So far the other two of my trio hasn't been picked, but I find it very likely for Hitch to take either of them, but Libertine will only touch one of them.Without giving too much away, I'm 90% sure that Libertine will pick the brother-in-law

Libertine could have taken the brother in law earlier. I expected him too.
So could you. I mean Hincapie. Really?
And now its too late. :D

The 59th pick of the draft is.

2008 Tour (obv)
The logic behind this is simple. I look at the round of the draft so far and I take the guy who's gt palmares dwarfs that of all the other guys taken in the round put together.

There were other riders I wanted to take, (which is why I took 2 days), and I even wrote the profile for 2 of the others, but decided I'll take the last remaining TDF Champion (apart from he who supposedly none of us will take on grounds of not wanting to open that can of worms?)

Secondly, this fits into my wider one rider per country theme.

Thirdly this is my 4th consecutive rider with an unblemished record who, people actually believe was clean lol (yes there are threads on this forum where this is argued) and doesn't really have any evidence against them.

In fact 5 of my 6 riders "never tested positive", a very important attribute to possess for when the vampires come ;)

A little bit about Sastre: There are a lot of reasons why he isn't the first name that comes to mind.

He only won 10 races his entire career (iirc). He didn't attack much to challenge for stages and often rode at his own pace. He wasn't a great tter. The gt he won was viewed as a pretty pathetic one, even Armstrong laughed at it. He lost his skill almost imediately after winning the Tour, putting in 1 more very good performance before totally fading at age 35 when he failed to even hold onto a 10 minute head start.
But at the end of the day, he was 1 of the most consistently good gt riders for the 2nd half of the 2000's. He finished top 10 in a gt 15 times and on the podium 5. His time up Alpe is up there with anything anyone picked outside the first 2 rounds could muster. He could always be counted on, when he was at his peak, to climb very strongly anywhere. Finally, he was the master of consistency. Finishing t-20 in 3 gts in 1 year (top 10 in 2) and has also come closer than anyone since Pantani to winning 2 consecutive gts in 1 season.
 
2006 was his best. Obviously. 2008 was a slow year.

Fastest on Toussuire (record)
Fastest on Joux Plane (though Landis was in the break)
Near Klödi and Landis on Alpe
Near Menchov, [redacted] and Landis on Puerto de Beret

When just taking the time of the mountain stages, he was the fastest (because of Landis' bonk).

BTW I don't think he is very good for your team. With him you have four mountain goats who can't do anything else but climb. It's not like the GT we will race only consists of mountain stages.
 
Be ready... here comes a pick out of left field.

In the last couple of rounds Equipo Libertine Seguros-Banesto presented by ONCE have taken pure climbers, to sharpen up Indurain's mountain assistance. Chava Jiménez and Fernando Escartín are great climbers, no doubt about it, and I do note netserk's point about Jiménez's brother-in-law, who I did consider for pick 41. However, the thing with Sastre is that he was always consistent, but there isn't a truly spectacular version of him; '99 Escartín got the nod based on that he could climb with all but the 2nd and 3rd overall picks of the draft, and Piau-Engaly was the stuff of legend.

But while obviously it's now irrelevant since Hitch took Carlos off the table, it removes my temptation to pick him with selection number 60. Which might actually be a good thing, because if he'd been available, I would probably have taken him. And I need to balance out my team a bit. After all, Mig's Tour wins - especially at the point I have picked him for - were based on the template of taking the lead in the first long ITT, and then controlling the race from that point. So we could be looking at trying to control the race for two weeks here; there won't be two weeks of mountain stages. So the flats need controlling as well. And for that you need some powerful engines. People not afraid of doing the gritty work, with time trialling pedigree, and, bearing in mind they're going in the late rounds of the draft, preferably not necessarily with too many aspirations of their own victory, since they'll be domestiquing primarily.

And it's for that reason I've gone way back in time and picked perhaps the unexpected GT winner to beat all unexpected GT winners, so with the final pick of the 6th round, Equipo Libertine Seguros-Banesto presented by ONCE select Melcior Mauri Prat, CRI specialist, Catalunya, from the 1991 Vuelta a España.



When Melcior Mauri turned up at the 1991 Vuelta, he had just turned 25 and had no significant professional victories. His best GT performance to date was 71st at the previous year's Vuelta, and he was well down the team's hierarchy with some far more illustrious riders in ONCE's lineup than the unheralded Catalan. When he left, he had four; three stages and the overall, after holding the leader's jersey for over two weeks.

So, how did he do it? Well, this is the remarkable thing and why he's in my team. The prologue was credited to him but was in fact a trios time trial, where he along with two undrafted riders set the best time; on the second day he was an important part of a punishing ONCE team time trial unit that put almost two minutes into Banesto over 40km. He took the lead from a teammate in stage 4, thanks to a shredded péloton in a painful flat-to-rolling stage over 292km (yes, you read that right) in the heat of Andalucía. And then he went full mutant. Mauri then proceeded to cement his lead by stomping Big Mig by a minute in the 47k ITT at the end of week one, before gritting his teeth and holding on in the mountains. He forced Miguel Indurain, of all people, into having to race aggressively in the mountains to make up for his losses in the time trial.

Let me repeat that: he forced Miguel Indurain to race aggressively to make up for his losses in the time trial. The greatest time triallist of all time lost more time to Mauri in the MTT to Valdezcaray, and despite desperate attempts to shake his Catalan shadow, couldn't put more than a few seconds into him on Lagos de Covadonga or Monte Naranco. And then, after his efforts in the mountains, Miguelón lost over a minute to Mauri in the second long ITT.

Yes, I know April-May 1991 Mig is different from the 1995 Miguelón that I selected for my team. But he was only a couple of months removed from setting the Indurain template at the Tour de France, a template which bore a striking resemblance to Mauri's. Look, I know Miguelón is a waaaay better climber than Melcior could ever hope to be. I know Melcior lost a minute to Aramón-Cerler and benefited immensely from the weather annulling the Andorra-Pla de Beret stage (strangely, the power rider that Mauri was climbed better in the irregular, steeper slopes of the Sierra Cantabrica than he could in the lower gradient power climbs of the Spanish Pyrenées) in defending his lead from the time trials. But I'm not picking Melcior for his climbing. I have Beloki, Chava and Escartín for that. Melcior emerged from nowhere like many other shock GT winners, and he went back there the following year, losing 40 minutes in a punishing stage over Tourmalet and finishing at Luz Ardiden and eventually retiring in humiliation. He later rebuilt himself as a TT-focused superdomestique and secondary GC hand, managing two further top 10s at the Vuelta and, as a teammate of Zülle and Jalabert, at the 1995 Tour de France where he was part of the ONCE team that tried desperately and in futility to overhaul the Indurain that he had once completely crushed in the chrono. But because of that unassuming character and the out-of-nowhere aspect of his success, Melcior is also not the kind of rider who will demand to ride for his own interest. He was a loyal monster worker for Jalabert, and he can reprise that role here as well as working for Miguelón too.



Libertine Seguros - 1 Miguel Indurain ('95 Tour), 20 Laurent Jalabert ('95 Vuelta), 30 Joseba Beloki ('01 Tour), 31 José María Jiménez ('98 Vuelta), 41 Fernando Escartin ('99 Tour), 60 Melcior Mauri ('91 Vuelta)
The Hitch - 2 Lance Armstrong ('04 Tour), 19 Michael Rasmussen ('07 Tour), 29 Nairo Quintana ('13 Tour), 32 Vincenzo Nibali ('14 Tour), 42 Andy Schleck ('09 Tour), 59 Carlos Sastre ('08 Tour)
The Sceptic - 3 Jan Ullrich ('97 Tour), 18 Santi Pérez ('04 Vuelta), 28 Chris Horner ('13 Vuelta), 33 Aitor Gonzalez ('02 Vuelta), 43 Mario Cipollini ('02 Giro), 58 Damiano Cunego ('04 Giro)
The Green Monkey - 4 Alberto Contador ('09 Tour), 17 Alex Zülle ('95 Tour), 27 Ivan Gotti ('97 Giro), 34 Emanuele Sella ('08 Giro), 44 Cadel Evans ('07 Tour), 57 TheGreenMonkey - Paolo Bettini ('98 Giro)
zlev11 - 5 Marco Pantani ('99 Giro), 16 Floyd Landis ('06 Tour), 26 Riccardo Ricco ('08 Tour), 35 Iban Mayo ('03 Tour), 45 Laurent Dufaux ('96 Tour), 56 Stefan Schumacher ('08 Tour)
burning - 6 Bjarne Riis ('96 Tour), 15 Richard Virenque ('97 Tour), 25 Gilberto Simoni ('03 Giro), 36 Bradley Wiggins ('12 Tour), 46 Luc Leblanc ('94 Tour), 55 Bobby Julich ('98 Tour)
Netserk - 7 Ivan Basso ('06 Giro), 14 Piotr Ugrumov ('94 Tour), 24 Pavel Tonkov ('98 Giro), 37 Andreas Klöden ('06 Tour), 47 Fabian Cancellara ('10 Tour), 54 George Hincapie ('05 Tour)
Zam Olyas - 8 Gianni Bugno ('90 Giro), 13 Tony Rominger ('95 Giro), 23 Denis Menchov ('09 Giro), 38 Claudio Chiappucci ('92 Tour), 48 Djamolidine Abdoujaparov ('93 Tour), 53 Yaroslav Popovych ('05 Tour)
Tonton - 9 Evgeni Berzin ('94 Giro), 12 Chris Froome ('13 Tour), 22 Alexander Vinokourov ('03 Tour), 39 Alejandro Valverde ('09 Vuelta), 49 Abraham Olano ('98 Vuelta), 52 Leonardo Piepoli ('07 Giro)
ciranda - 10 Roberto Heras ('04 Vuelta), 11 Tyler Hamilton ('03 Tour ), 21 Frank Vandenbroucke ('99 Vuelta), 40 Joaquím Rodriguez ('12 Vuelta), 50 Raimondas Rumsas ('02 Tour), 51 Dario Frigo ('01 Giro)

Pick 61: ciranda -
Pick 62: Tonton -
Pick 63: Zam Olyas -
Pick 64: Netserk -
Pick 65: burning -
Pick 66: zlev11 -
Pick 67: The Green Monkey -
Pick 68: the sceptic -
Pick 69: The Hitch -
Pick 70: Libertine Seguros -
 
Outstanding Libertine Seguros. I keep being wrong: I thought you would have Olano before I could (get BigMig and MiniMig), and this time again I "misguessed" your intentions. You're a great DS. I won't show my cards, I'm really bad at hints that are not obvious, but if ciranda doesn't beat me to him, I know who I'm going to get and you'll like the pick :)
 

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