fantasy doping draft

[TheGreenMonkey]

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The sceptic is traveling right now. Here's a post of his in the GGTG thread.

cheers foxxy. All my picks are made under heavy influence of alcohol

Hi sceptic, what's up with your real account? Lost password? Either way, I will just remind you of the doping draft

I hope you will have a good travel.

I don't have access to my real account while traveling since the password is stored on my laptop.

anyway, feel free to just skip me in that draft.

I should have waited 5 more minutes. Thank you for the update on the sceptics status.

 

[TheGreenMonkey]

Here is the write up I was going to post with my pick.

For my last pick in this doping draft I am going to focus on doping as much as performance on the bike. I am going to choose someone who has proven he has all the right connections to set up a doping program.

He was also a good bike rider, he took on a champion one on one and beat him, he finished on the podium of a GT, he plunged down a ravine and survived.

For my last pick in the draft I pick as my doping coordinator the Indurain beating, the death defying, the creator of Lance Armstrong, Johan Bruyneel for his third place in the 1995 Vuelta.

 

[the delgados]

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Here is the write up I was going to post with my pick.

For my last pick in this doping draft I am going to focus on doping as much as performance on the bike. I am going to choose someone who has proven he has all the right connections to set up a doping program.

He was also a good bike rider, he took on a champion one on one and beat him, he finished on the podium of a GT, he plunged down a ravine and survived.

For my last pick in the draft I pick as my doping coordinator the Indurain beating, the death defying, the creator of Lance Armstrong, Johan Bruyneel for his third place in the 1995 Vuelta.

Huge round of applause to The Green Monkey for such an astute pick. The Fantasy Doping Draft (tm) would have no credibility at all if Johan was overlooked.
That said, I would have gone with the '93 TdF. Not only did he finish 7th overall, he rode solo to victory on an early stage that was at the time the fastest stage in TdF history. I seem to recall a host of dopers (Armstrong included) desperately trying to chase him down. But alas, it was not to be. Johan crossed the line and won the stage, which was recorded at an average speed just below 50 km per hour. Go to youtube for Johan's post-stage comments. Guy looks like he just took a little spin around the block.

 

[TheGreenMonkey]

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Here is the write up I was going to post with my pick.

For my last pick in this doping draft I am going to focus on doping as much as performance on the bike. I am going to choose someone who has proven he has all the right connections to set up a doping program.

He was also a good bike rider, he took on a champion one on one and beat him, he finished on the podium of a GT, he plunged down a ravine and survived.

For my last pick in the draft I pick as my doping coordinator the Indurain beating, the death defying, the creator of Lance Armstrong, Johan Bruyneel for his third place in the 1995 Vuelta.

Huge round of applause to The Green Monkey for such an astute pick. The Fantasy Doping Draft (tm) would have no credibility at all if Johan was overlooked.
That said, I would have gone with the '93 TdF. Not only did he finish 7th overall, he rode solo to victory on an early stage that was at the time the fastest stage in TdF history. I seem to recall a host of dopers (Armstrong included) desperately trying to chase him down. But alas, it was not to be. Johan crossed the line and won the stage, which was recorded at an average speed just below 50 km per hour. Go to youtube for Johan's post-stage comments. Guy looks like he just took a little spin around the block.

Thank you. I had him in mind since almost the start of draft, and I kept quiet when he was referred too in the thread because I was already planning to take him in the last round if he was available.
As far as the race goes, I know very little about 90s cycling so it is not surprising I might have picked the wrong race. It is a bit strange I have managed to pick the majority of my team for performances in the 90s but I have done a lot of reading and a bit of video watching to try and make my picks.

I doubt my team is really that strong but I have a leader who should be able to top 5 even if he cannot mix it with Indurain and Armstrong. I have a couple of mountain helpers who should be around the place for a while to support him in Zulle and Gotti. I have Evans and others to do work on early mountains of stages if needed. Sella and Bettini to go in breaks and/or for stage wins. In Steels a sprinter who should be able to win an early sprint stage and one man in Peeters to support him.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

burningggggggggggg

 

[Libertine Seguros]

TGM has a bit of a Belgian theme to the team in these late rounds, opens up more of an all-rounders' team than those completed so far (mine is more a total GC team, Hitch and Zlev have a token sprinter but are otherwise GC-oriented teams.

WRT burning, has somebody PMed them to let them know it's their turn yet?

 

[burning]

Actually, nobody PM'ed me this time and I was just checking who was slow rolling as I thought somebody else was going to pick his rider.

Anyway, for the last pick I select Erik Zabel as he's pretty much a perfect sprinter unless your name is Jalabert for such a field and he has usually no problems beating time limits while getting 25 green jerseys.

 

[Netserk]

My pick is Michael Rogers, but I'm yet to decide which version :O

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Again with picking my preferred rider....netserk, do you hate me?

 

[Netserk]

I had him as a potential pick for a long time. He was the one of the three I referred to some time back, which I knew Libertine would never pick.


My dilemma is whether to pick the ITT WC version, the 2006 T-Mobile version, 2012 Sky or the most experienced one Tinkoff '14. My team won't win by watts alone, so I have to pick a lot of smart and savvy riders as well.

 

[TheGreenMonkey]

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I had him as a potential pick for a long time. He was the one of the three I referred to some time back, which I knew Libertine would never pick.


My dilemma is whether to pick the ITT WC version, the 2006 T-Mobile version, 2012 Sky or the most experienced one Tinkoff '14. My team won't win by watts alone, so I have to pick a lot of smart and savvy riders as well.

I thought about picking Rogers but not that seriously for the very reason you have outlined here. The current Rogers is a different rider to the rider who won the ITT WC.

 

[Tonton]

Both Zabel and Rogers were on my shortlist. Nice picks.

Burning, what version of Zabel? I'll update the recap in next 10 hours or so.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

For my next pick i go with Belmonte

 

[Netserk]

Valverde has already been picked. Or are you referring to someone else?

 

[Zam_Olyas]

my bad ...then Murito

 

[Netserk]

He has been picked as well, Zam

Draft Summary

Libertine Seguros - 1 Miguel Indurain ('95 Tour), 20 Laurent Jalabert ('95 Vuelta), 30 Joseba Beloki ('01 Tour), 31 José María Jiménez ('98 Vuelta), 41 Fernando Escartin ('99 Tour), 60 Melcior Mauri ('91 Vuelta), 70 Haimar Zubeldia ('03 Tour), 71 Andrey Kashechkin ('06 Vuelta)
The Hitch - 2 Lance Armstrong ('04 Tour), 19 Michael Rasmussen ('07 Tour), 29 Nairo Quintana ('13 Tour), 32 Vincenzo Nibali ('14 Tour), 42 Andy Schleck ('09 Tour), 59 Carlos Sastre ('08 Tour), 69 Mark Cavendish ('09 Tour), 72 Tony Martin ('14 Tour)
The Sceptic - 3 Jan Ullrich ('97 Tour), 18 Santi Pérez ('04 Vuelta), 28 Chris Horner ('13 Vuelta), 33 Aitor Gonzalez ('02 Vuelta), 43 Mario Cipollini ('02 Giro), 58 Damiano Cunego ('04 Giro), 68 Levi Leipheimer ('07 Tour), 73 Igor González de Galdeano ('02 Tour)
The Green Monkey - 4 Alberto Contador ('09 Tour), 17 Alex Zülle ('95 Tour), 27 Ivan Gotti ('97 Giro), 34 Emanuele Sella ('08 Giro), 44 Cadel Evans ('07 Tour), 57 Paolo Bettini ('98 Giro), 67 Tom Steels ('98 Tour), 74 Wilfried Peeters ('98 Tour)
zlev11 - 5 Marco Pantani ('99 Giro), 16 Floyd Landis ('06 Tour), 26 Riccardo Ricco ('08 Tour), 35 Iban Mayo ('03 Tour), 45 Laurent Dufaux ('96 Tour), 56 Stefan Schumacher ('08 Tour), 66 Isidro Nozal ('03 Vuelta), 75 Alessandro Petacchi ('04 Giro)
burning - 6 Bjarne Riis ('96 Tour), 15 Richard Virenque ('97 Tour), 25 Gilberto Simoni ('03 Giro), 36 Bradley Wiggins ('12 Tour), 46 Luc Leblanc ('94 Tour), 55 Bobby Julich ('98 Tour), 65 Serhiy Honchar ('06 Tour), 76 Danilo di Luca ('07 Giro)
Netserk - 7 Ivan Basso ('06 Giro), 14 Piotr Ugrumov ('94 Tour), 24 Pavel Tonkov ('98 Giro), 37 Andreas Klöden ('06 Tour), 47 Fabian Cancellara ('10 Tour), 54 George Hincapie ('05 Tour), 64 Paolo Savoldelli ('99 Giro), 77 Peter Sagan ('12 Tour)
Zam Olyas - 8 Gianni Bugno ('90 Giro), 13 Tony Rominger ('95 Giro), 23 Denis Menchov ('09 Giro), 38 Claudio Chiappucci ('92 Tour), 48 Djamolidine Abdoujaparov ('93 Tour), 53 Yaroslav Popovych ('05 Tour), 63 Franco Chioccioli ('91 Giro), 78 Juan José Cobo ('11 Vuelta)
Tonton - 9 Evgeni Berzin ('94 Giro), 12 Chris Froome ('13 Tour), 22 Alexander Vinokourov ('03 Tour), 39 Alejandro Valverde ('09 Vuelta), 49 Abraham Olano ('98 Vuelta), 52 Leonardo Piepoli ('07 Giro), 62 Santiago Botero ('02 Tour), 79 Armand de las Cuevas ('94 Giro)
ciranda - 10 Roberto Heras ('04 Vuelta), 11 Tyler Hamilton ('03 Tour ), 21 Frank Vandenbroucke ('99 Vuelta), 40 Joaquím Rodriguez ('12 Vuelta), 50 Raimondas Rumsas ('02 Tour), 51 Dario Frigo ('01 Giro), 61 Oliverio Rincón ('95 Giro), 80 Oscar Camenzind ('98 Giro)

Round 9
81 - Libertine Seguros - Zenon Jaskuła ('93 Tour)
82 - The Hitch - Richie Porte ('13 Tour)
83 - The Sceptic -
84 - The Green Monkey - Johan Bruyneel ('95 Vuelta)
85 - zlev11 - Oscar Sevilla ('01 Vuelta)
86 - burning -
87 - netserk -
88 - Zam_Olyas -
89 - Tonton -
90 - ciranda -

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Ezequiel Mosquera for 2010 Vuelta.

 

[Tonton]

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Ezequiel Mosquera for 2010 Vuelta.

Third time is the charm .
I am hesitating between two riders. Give me a few hours. Stay tuned...

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Thank God somebody took Zabel. Would have been crazy if he'd not gone, surprised he didn't get taken as a pilotfish for a front-line sprinter, though Hitch taking Martin and having their one-rider-per-nation policy precluded taking him to lead out Cav, which would have been the ideal role.

 

[The Hitch]

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Thank God somebody took Zabel. Would have been crazy if he'd not gone, surprised he didn't get taken as a pilotfish for a front-line sprinter, though Hitch taking Martin and having their one-rider-per-nation policy precluded taking him to lead out Cav, which would have been the ideal role.

Would have taken Renshaw instead of Zabel and brought the band back together.

The (probably nonesence) "scientific analysis" from the commentators at the time was that Renshaw was the worlds greatest possible leadout man, for, though his top speed was lower, he could maintain it longer.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

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Thank God somebody took Zabel. Would have been crazy if he'd not gone, surprised he didn't get taken as a pilotfish for a front-line sprinter, though Hitch taking Martin and having their one-rider-per-nation policy precluded taking him to lead out Cav, which would have been the ideal role.

Would have taken Renshaw instead of Zabel and brought the band back together.

The (probably nonesence) "scientific analysis" from the commentators at the time was that Renshaw was the worlds greatest possible leadout man, for, though his top speed was lower, he could maintain it longer.

I always maintained Hondo was the best leadout man at the time anyway. Renshaw was just the most visible part of an oiled leadout machine, Hondo was doing the whole thing by himself. Zabel with his ability to find space, versatility and that he coached Cav... would have been interesting.

Cav's going to be fending for himself though, so that will be fun as well. Hitching a ride on Steels' train, I anticipate.

 

[Tonton]

With the 9th pick of round 9, and 89th pick overall, team La Vie Pas Claire selects: David Millar ('03 Tour).

He's one of the most written about riders in The Clinic and as such I had no choice but to draft him. With Zabel gone, I could have picked an Aussie, or a sprinter from the north, so we can all enjoy Phil and Paul squealing like teenage girls about his god-like looks, and how everything about him is big . No sprinter then. Instead, I chose to respect the spirit of the fantasy doping draft and pick the pre-bust David Millar.


On June 23, 2003 the future looked bright for David Millar: he had just achieved his best GC result ever, a third place at the Dauphine, where he had shown great climbing skills. Little did he know that exactly one year later, while dining with Dave Brailsford (small World isn't it?), he would be arrested by the French equivalent of the DEA. We all know the story, wire taps, Gaumont seeing Millar's syringe before the '03 TdF stage 19 ITT...the truth eventually (painfully) came out.

The '03 TdF began with Millar losing the prologue by .14 second due to a chain that slipped off. His moment of glory was further delayed as he started strong but faded in the 97 degree heat and finished a disappointing 7th on the stage 12 ITT. Then came stage 19 from Pornic to Nantes, a 49K ITT with Wonderboy, Ulle, and Vino going for the win. Syringes loaded. A classic stage with Ullrich falling in the pouring rain. Through the second time check (32.5K) Millar averaged 56.610 km/h, then slowed down as he negotiated the treacherous city streets, winning the stage with a Wigginesque 54.358 km/h average.

David Millar went on to win the World ITT Championship weeks later. He will further strenghten team La Vie Pas Claire's TTT steamroller, be of assistance early in the climbs, or use his size to shelter and launch Vino in the final 5K of a flat stage.

 

[Tonton]

La Vie Pas Claire - Official Team Presentation

1 Evgeni Berzin

2 Christopher Froome

3 Alexander Vinokourov

4 Alejandro Valverde

5 Abraham Olano

6 Leonardo Piepoli

7 Santiago Botero

8 Armand De Las Cuevas

9 David Millar

Everything is set for the ultimate showdown, all the riders' families, friends, and pets are "invited" to my manor in the Jura mountains. For them to enjoy our triumph in the doped GT I will spare no expenses, between the deluxe accommodations, great food and fine wines, entertainment, as well as a daily Skype session with their loved ones.


This will ensure performance and discipline.

Our Mission Statement: "We will achieve victory by dominating the time trials, wreaking havoc in the plains, and setting an mutant pace in the mountains".

- Team "La Vie Pas Claire" possesses more ITT depth than any other squad in this doping draft: Berzin, Froome, Vino, Olano, Botero, De Las Cuevas, and Millar are all superb time trialists. We're gonna rock against the clock .
- During the '94 Giro, Evgeni Berzin BigMigged the two-time defending champion Indurain, destroying him in all three ITTs. In the entire doping era, the cyborg from Vyborg (in his '94 Giro configuration) is all but unstoppable.
- In the final kilometers of any flat stage, watch for Vino!
- As the peloton reaches the mountains, Piepoli is free to hunt for stage wins but maybe called back to support Berzin if Piti and Dawg (official bodyguards) blow a gasket. We anticipate assistance from BigMig's and Ulle's teams to set an insane pace and keep Pantani in check.
- Our leader's objective is to attack if opportunities present themselves, but on the toughest mountain stages the basic tactics are to stick to BigMig's back wheel.

 

[42x16ss]

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So far the other two of my trio hasn't been picked, but I find it very likely for Hitch to take either of them, but Libertine will only touch one of them.Without giving too much away, I'm 90% sure that Libertine will pick the brother-in-law

Libertine could have taken the brother in law earlier. I expected him too.
So could you. I mean Hincapie. Really?
And now its too late.

The 59th pick of the draft is.

2008 Tour (obv)
The logic behind this is simple. I look at the round of the draft so far and I take the guy who's gt palmares dwarfs that of all the other guys taken in the round put together.

There were other riders I wanted to take, (which is why I took 2 days), and I even wrote the profile for 2 of the others, but decided I'll take the last remaining TDF Champion (apart from he who supposedly none of us will take on grounds of not wanting to open that can of worms?)

Secondly, this fits into my wider one rider per country theme.

Thirdly this is my 4th consecutive rider with an unblemished record who, people actually believe was clean lol (yes there are threads on this forum where this is argued) and doesn't really have any evidence against them.

In fact 5 of my 6 riders "never tested positive", a very important attribute to possess for when the vampires come

A little bit about Sastre: There are a lot of reasons why he isn't the first name that comes to mind.

He only won 10 races his entire career (iirc). He didn't attack much to challenge for stages and often rode at his own pace. He wasn't a great tter. The gt he won was viewed as a pretty pathetic one, even Armstrong laughed at it. He lost his skill almost imediately after winning the Tour, putting in 1 more very good performance before totally fading at age 35 when he failed to even hold onto a 10 minute head start.
But at the end of the day, he was 1 of the most consistently good gt riders for the 2nd half of the 2000's. He finished top 10 in a gt 15 times and on the podium 5. His time up Alpe is up there with anything anyone picked outside the first 2 rounds could muster. He could always be counted on, when he was at his peak, to climb very strongly anywhere. Finally, he was the master of consistency. Finishing t-20 in 3 gts in 1 year (top 10 in 2) and has also come closer than anyone since Pantani to winning 2 consecutive gts in 1 season.

I've only come late to this thread ( ) but this is a great pick, except I'd have gone the '04 vintage. Sastre had a bad back, a child born a couple of weeks beforehand, lost his brother in law and best friend, had to prove at the last minute he was fit and still managed to wreak havoc on the US postal train on a few occasions all on the way to 8th place. Who knows what a happy, healthy, Sastre could have done with that form.

I'm also surprised that a couple of the craziest doms of this period haven't been chosen yet. Two in particular keep coming to mind...

 

[Tonton]

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The (probably nonesence) "scientific analysis" from the commentators at the time was that Renshaw was the worlds greatest possible leadout man, for, though his top speed was lower, he could maintain it longer.

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