Floyd to be charged with fraud

[thehog]

The interesting thing about this, if FLandis can get a thorough defense, is that he has maintained that he did not use testosterone and proving that he did would be done in a venue competely different than the kangaroo courts that make up the anti-doping process. He can use the sloppiness of the lab as an excuse for why he fought so hard by saying he fought it because he was not guilty of the specific doping offense he was charged with.

I would add that he obviously enjoys the discovery & research element. I think he'd want to go to trial and have his day in court. I'm sure he'd handle himself well under pressure. His reasoning for the initial lying would be to establish the pattern of doping at USPS and subsequent pressures applied from former team mates & mangers to keep zip.

If Armstrong is behind any of this it just seems plain madness on his behalf. For Floyd to defend himself would be to prove the Armstrong doping. All that information is sitting in case files and could be accessed. That's why I think this is Nov's backdoor and not an Armstrong pressured investigation.

 

[Digger]

I don't want to trade insults with you, that's why. You're not about sharing information and thoughts. You're about insults.

Surprising that you don't know important technical statutes but you make statements regarding larger policy issues which are predicated on the very "facts" which you assume in the first place but when questioned on them resort to things like "brownie points".

Was just trying to speak with you on legal issues but that's cool...

 

[MarkvW]

I would add that he obviously enjoys the discovery & research element. I think he'd want to go to trial and have his day in court. I'm sure he'd handle himself well under pressure. His reasoning for the initial lying would be to establish the pattern of doping at USPS and subsequent pressures applied from former team mates & mangers to keep zip.

If Armstrong is behind any of this it just seems plain madness on his behalf. For Floyd to defend himself would be to prove the Armstrong doping. All that information is sitting in case files and could be accessed. That's why I think this is Nov's backdoor and not an Armstrong pressured investigation.

(If Floyd gets charged) Floyd's going to have a federal public defender. Proving that Armstrong doped as a Postie isn't going to help Floyd prove that Floyd didn't dope as a Phonaker. A public defender is not going to waste his time on such nonsense (and no judge would ever allow it).

 

[MarkvW]

Surprising that you don't know important technical statutes but you make statements regarding larger policy issues which are predicated on the very "facts" which you assume in the first place but when questioned on them resort to things like "brownie points".

Was just trying to speak with you on legal issues but that's cool...

I said bonus points. Consider the Federal Sentencing Guidelines and the points awarded for timely plea/acknowledgement of guilt.

 

[Digger]

Floyd's going to have a federal public defender. Proving that Armstrong doped as a Postie isn't going to help Floyd prove that Floyd didn't dope as a Phonaker. A public defender is not going to waste his time on such nonsense (and no judge would ever allow it).

Please provide some reason to believe that you know Floyd will have a public defender so we can move on to the facts of the case? Thanks.

 

[Digger]

I said bonus points. Consider the Federal Sentencing Guidelines and the points awarded for timely plea/acknowledgement of guilt.

Can you please provide a schematic of this so called "points" system? I've never heard of it.

 

[MarkvW]

Please provide some reason to believe that you know Floyd will have a public defender so we can move on to the facts of the case? Thanks.

The dude is poor.

 

[MarkvW]

Can you please provide a schematic of this so called "points" system? I've never heard of it.

http://www.ussc.gov/Guidelines/2011_guidelines/index.cfm

 

[Digger]

http://www.ussc.gov/Guidelines/2011_guidelines/index.cfm

Thank you. Can you also explain how poor or how low his income must be to qualify for a public defender?

 

[Velodude]

The Google law degree went to his head.

FLandis would do best to not plead guilty immediately. He should start the discovery process, arguing that the main funders of the FFF were not deceived because they were already involved in the Armstrong fraud and evidence gathered by the feds will prove this. Use the case, or at least the initial phase, as a way to dig for information.

He gets lost when no episode of "Matlock" covers the issues!

 

[Dr. Maserati]

(If Floyd gets charged) Floyd's going to have a federal public defender. Proving that Armstrong doped as a Postie isn't going to help Floyd prove that Floyd didn't dope as a Phonaker. A public defender is not going to waste his time on such nonsense (and no judge would ever allow it).

Maybe Floyd will have another FFF?

Of course there is the rather important point of what charges can be brought against Floyd - if lies and deceit are a crime then your long earlier post would have you in trouble with Feds.

 

[Digger]

The dude is poor.

The question was confusing and worded poorly. It wasn't weather or not that you believe him to be poor. Obviously we inferred that from you assertion that he would have a public defender. It was a question of how we are to believe that you know that he is poor. I'll try to be more verbose in by questions in the future in order to avoid repeating questions as a result of having received an answer to a question which we did not ask.

 

[MarkvW]

Maybe Floyd will have another FFF?

Of course there is the rather important point of what charges can be brought against Floyd - if lies and deceit are a crime then your long earlier post would have you in trouble with Feds.

Why bait me?

 

[MarkvW]

The question was confusing and worded poorly. It wasn't weather or not that you believe him to be poor. Obviously we inferred that from you assertion that he would have a public defender. It was a question of how we are to believe that you know that he is poor. I'll try to be more verbose in by questions in the future in order to avoid repeating questions as a result of having received an answer to a question which we did not ask.

I believe Floyd when he says that he is poor. Nothing indicates that he has any meaningful job. Defending a federal case is VERY expensive if you have to pay for it yourself.

It doesn't appear to be a very controversial position.

 

[Digger]

I believe Floyd when he says that he is poor. Nothing indicates that he has any meaningful job. Defending a federal case is VERY expensive if you have to pay for it yourself.

It doesn't appear to be a very controversial position.

Ok great, we're making progress. So how do you decide when to and when not to believe him? To the rest of us it appears that you start with a belief and then work backwards to prove it. Like proving the efficacy of prayer for example.

 

[fatandfast]

this entire thread is BS. How can Landis be charged with fraud when he has not even raced his first nascar race? Landis is a great man just read his book,its all in there.

I think Flandis should get a reality show called When The Whistleblower Just Blows Lance's Whistle..it would be cool to watch the facial expressions of both guys while Landis becomes the star he always wanted to be

 

[MarkvW]

Ok great, we're making progress. So how do you decide when to and when not to believe him? To the rest of us it appears that you start with a belief and then work backwards to prove it. Like proving the efficacy of prayer for example.

Do you think Floyd has the funds needed to hire a criminal defense lawyer to pay for the defense of a federal criminal charge?

 

[Digger]

Do you think Floyd has the funds needed to hire a criminal defense lawyer to pay for the defense of a federal criminal charge?

I am not the one forwarding conjecture about what he does or doesn't have or plan to do. I was only trying to figure out how you come to your absolute and definite conclusions. But when questioned about the underlying facts you sound less like a lawyer than when you summarize things with impunity.

 

[Digger]

this entire thread is BS. How can Landis be charged with fraud when he has not even raced his first nascar race? Landis is a great man just read his book,its all in there.

I think Flandis should get a reality show called When The Whistleblower Just Blows Lance's Whistle..it would be cool to watch the facial expressions of both guys while Landis becomes the star he always wanted to be

This is a great idea. But the name of the show could be shortened to Meat Whistleblower.

 

[fatandfast]

Do you think Floyd has the funds needed to hire a criminal defense lawyer to pay for the defense of a federal criminal charge?

that will be determined by a lawyer. When they lay out his case and forecast how long the trial may take Landis will explain that he has some rare Rock Racing skin suits he plans to auction and raise the needed cash for his defense.
The whole thing about Landis is that he doesn't want anybody to spray urine on his new life fire of race car driver and advocate. The trips to Australia are over,so is the dream of getting behind the wheel of a million dollar car..his driving will be as a shuttle bus master at Ontario airport..I hope the conviction doesn't mess up his commercial license

 

[MarkvW]

I am not the one forwarding conjecture about what he does or doesn't have or plan to do. I was only trying to figure out how you come to your absolute and definite conclusions. But when questioned about the underlying facts you sound less like a lawyer than when you summarize things with impunity.

I was interested in discussing whether or not Floyd would be inclined to go to trial in the event that he was charged, and the type of defense Floyd would present if he did go to trial.

Floyd is liar, but I think we all can be reasonably convinced that Floyd is poor right now. I trust Floyd about his Postie days because (a) he's corroborated to the gills; and (b) he wouldn't likely lie to the federal investigators (and face new charges) I don't trust Floyd about the testosterone because I believe in the validity of the tests, I won't trust Floyd without corroboration, and Floyd has every motivation to lie.

 

[Digger]

that will be determined by a lawyer. When they lay out his case and forecast how long the trial may take Landis will explain that he has some rare Rock Racing skin suits he plans to auction and raise the needed cash for his defense.
The whole thing about Landis is that he doesn't want anybody to spray urine on his new life fire of race car driver and advocate. The trips to Australia are over,so is the dream of getting behind the wheel of a million dollar car..his driving will be as a shuttle bus master at Ontario airport..I hope the conviction doesn't mess up his commercial license

Last I heard he was giving $5 hand jobs behind the Ontario Airport parking structure. Do you think he'll qualify for a court appointed defender at that rate? Assuming of course that on average a hand job takes 7 minutes and he works 8 hours a day (with a 30 minute state mandated lunch break that is).

 

[Digger]

I was interested in discussing whether or not Floyd would be inclined to go to trial in the event that he was charged, and the type of defense Floyd would present if he did go to trial.

Floyd is liar, but I think we all can be reasonably convinced that Floyd is poor right now. I trust Floyd about his Postie days because (a) he's corroborated to the gills; and (b) he wouldn't likely lie to the federal investigators (and face new charges) I don't trust Floyd about the testosterone because I believe in the validity of the tests, I won't trust Floyd without corroboration, and Floyd has every motivation to lie.

Again I don't have any way of knowing that but it seems that you start with the assumption that he only cares about some mythical payout in the future and you work backwards through everything that he has said and believe only what supports that conclusion. That's a strange way for even a fake internet lawyer to behave.

 

[MarkvW]

that will be determined by a lawyer. When they lay out his case and forecast how long the trial may take Landis will explain that he has some rare Rock Racing skin suits he plans to auction and raise the needed cash for his defense.
The whole thing about Landis is that he doesn't want anybody to spray urine on his new life fire of race car driver and advocate. The trips to Australia are over,so is the dream of getting behind the wheel of a million dollar car..his driving will be as a shuttle bus master at Ontario airport..I hope the conviction doesn't mess up his commercial license

Poor Floyd. Oh what tangled webs we weave, when first we practice to deceive.

 

[Digger]

Poor Floyd. Oh what tangled webs we weave, when first we practice to deceive.

You jump easily from literary to law professor with ease. How can a man of your skill set have time for us lay people?