Floyd to be charged with fraud

[patricknd]

That's the whole point. Floyd was a happy contented, doper until he got caught. And he wouldn't change a thing about that.

no, he was miserable, really

Honor among thieves? You crack me up.

Also, thanks for revealing that your hatred of me (and what I have said) really has to do with your hatred of Lance Armstrong for making Landis weather the storm solo.

Floyd is not being crucified for the sins of Lance Armstrong. Floyd is being crucified for sins of his own. Lance just had enough shekels to buy his way out of Pilate's office.

pssst. it's always about lance. did you miss the memo?

Sorry, but I was recently criticized for taking notice of Lance being emotionally cruel to his supportive daughter at the finish of a Galveston triathlon. Why didn't you hop on the hate-wagon then?

Oh, sorry, I was criticizing Lance Armstrong that day, so it was OK with you.

You are a fair-weather critic.

just now noticing that? really?

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Being that Omerta has resulted in such a void of information (even among the busted), I officially declare...

New rule:
If a current or former rider says he repents, regrets, rethinks or regurgitates his (or her) doping past, we are to take that rider at his or her word. We must take what we can get and not look a gifthorse in the mouth. If Kimmage is involved, then this word shall be considered to be etched on golden plates.

Anyone who does otherwise WILL be publicly flogged. Enforcers: Maserati, Digger, TheHog

Please respect the current dogma:

Armstrong:
Bad

Landis:
Good

Birotte:
Corrupt

Fabiani:
Damn good at what he does

Papp:
Legally entitled to be considered good, but still bad (just don't ask any questions!)

Decanio:
Nuts, but good. A bit reckless with his spending habits, but can usually be spotted with a hot girlfriend.

JV:
Good, but also stylish and with a witty vocabulary

Hey BB something in your listing is more BAD / corrupt than you think, and all the 3 folks hitting on you support that BAD. I think some know what I am talking about.

 

[patricknd]

Funny, I though your primary issue was my blanket characterization of Landis not throwing enough people under the bus, when in fact, he'd thrown quite a few. But now you're glamming-on to TheHog's issue with my mentioning of suicide and divorce. Try to keep your multiple personalities in-check, ok? Remember to keep TheHog logged in under IE and Digger logged-in with Firefox. Makes it easier to manage.

maybe they could try some buckwheat pancakes to help them calm down

 

[Semper Fidelis]

One amendment:

BotanyBay:
Vile beyond comprehension. Eludes to suicide & divorce as a form of humor. Carries abandonment issues from earlier in life. Has trouble recognizing empathy in others and himself. Uses anger & offensive remarks as a form of cover and defense. Lacks understanding on socially acceptable behavior.

thehog so corrupt that he makes stuff up! Really? Tuesday? You have trouble understanding everyone does not share the same opinion of floyd?

 

[ChrisE]

This is all pretty funny. Dizzy digger, hulucinating hog, and dr. hemorrhoid attacking BB for not forgiving FL and believing hook/line/sinker everything FL says now. What a shock.

And, why do they care? Why is BB's opinion or his decision to think FL is a prik so repulsive that he must endure countless pages of attack? Maybe the 138 signers of the LA outrage petition have created a slush fund to award daily prizes to the most aggressive LA hater.

 

[AngusW]

no comment on the Blue Train, but a big +1 for stopping this now! who's with me? anybody? anybody?

Yeah, I don't think any of the protagonists are going to back down. Maybe they could all agree to disagree?

Back on topic: has Floyd actually been charged with fraud yet?

 

[patricknd]

Tread lightly, Glenn. Any answer other than precise, verbatim memory of Kimmage's interview could end up with 5 pages of them calling you a liar.

that's the price you pay for having a life

 

[ChrisE]

Yeah, I don't think any of the protagonists are going to back down. Maybe they could all agree to disagree?

Back on topic: has Floyd actually been charged with fraud yet?

You underestimate how important it is for all people in the world to realize FL should be forgiven and speaks the truth, else those people will conclude LA didn't dope. You must look at the overall fight, and moving on from petty disagreements sets back the cause.

The scorched earth brigade will never sleep until LA is scared to pick up the soap in prison. Now, either sign up or get slagged, Angus!

 

[Dr. Maserati]

This is all pretty funny. Dizzy digger, hulucinating hog, and dr. hemorrhoid attacking BB for not forgiving FL and believing hook/line/sinker everything FL says now. What a shock.

And, why do they care? Why is BB's opinion or his decision to think FL is a prik so repulsive that he must endure countless pages of attack? Maybe the 138 signers of the LA outrage petition have created a slush fund to award daily prizes to the most aggressive LA hater.

Hi Chris, I know you hate to be corrected - however,I clearly stated earlier that I had no problem with BBs opinion, however much of of what he used to form that opinion was factually incorrect.

Nor did I attack him - I agree that bringing in aspects of Floyds personal life and the deceit is entirely fair, however to gloat as he appears to admit is a poor reflection on BB, not Floyd.

I hope that clears things up for you - and thanks for nice personal stuff in your post, it was good of you to come in and help diffuse the situation by being an adult

 

[thehog]

You underestimate how important it is for all people in the world to realize FL should be forgiven and speaks the truth, else those people will conclude LA didn't dope. You must look at the overall fight, and moving on from petty disagreements sets back the cause.

The scorched earth brigade will never sleep until LA is scared to pick up the soap in prison. Now, either sign up or get slagged, Angus!

I actually agree with you. But the difference being Armstrong is still yet to admit and thats the difference.

I think if Lance told his his version of events we'd be able to stop the conjecture of some of the points and so much division. Of course we knew he'd doped but I still only see why guy that was brave enough to say what went on.

I don't hear anyone on here who has said Floyd is beyond reproach and he certainly doesn't pass himself off as the paragon of "hope, glory and inspiration" as the other guy does. Maybe thats why people get so wound up about it all? Maybe Floyd is just too honest?

In all my time on this forum there has been a lot of vitriol for Armstrong but no one in my living memory has ever suggested that he got cancer because he deserved it. No one has ever been happy for him being ill. Yes we demonise Armstong for taking drugs and not being able to admit to it but no one hand picked out his family and named them one by one and said it was his fault. Maybe his Mother has been married 5 times because of him? Who knows but we don't go there.

But you then you have Botnany's argument which is Floyd got everything he deserved and look at the damaged he caused his family and name them one by one including the now deseased. All class.

And you support that? And you try to pretend its that black and white? we hate Armstrong so we must support Floyd? Sorry doesn't work like that.

If you do then you're not the challenging convincing poster I enjoyed arguing with.

The issues are complex and its not as simple as Armstrong vs Landis.

 

[ChrisE]

Hi Chris, I know you hate to be corrected -

Give me a break. Black pot meet black kettle. Your stealth azzholishness is clouded in the dirty fog of your brownnosing in the moderator thread.

You can't even move on when somebody has a different opinion. For example on the other thread you and I generally agree that more than the rider should be held accountable, but when I say there should perhaps be limits to that I get attacked. For what? Why do you give a shyt enough to feel that your scorched earth opinion is superior to mine? There is no end game in such discussions. Self esteem issues you are battling?

Perhaps different opinions are something to think about. I am not so lacking in self esteem that I need to keep playing your games....you obviously need to bludgeon BS points to death to show your superiority. Newsflash....most people think you are a dik instead of thinking you are right.

So now you nitpick BB because he thinks FL is an azz who doesn't deserve sympathy and doesn't believe FL didn't take the only PED he got popped for. So what? That's his opinion and he has his reasons. You are too insecure to deal with somebody that has a different opinion than you.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Give me a break. Black pot meet black kettle. Your stealth azzholishness is clouded in the dirty fog of your brownnosing in the moderator thread.

You can't even move on when somebody has a different opinion. For example on the other thread you and I generally agree that more than the rider should be held accountable, but when I say there should perhaps be limits to that I get attacked. For what? Why do you give a shyt enough to feel that your scorched earth opinion is superior to mine? There is no end game in such discussions. Self esteem issues you are battling?

Yet again - I will remind you I have no problem with BBs opinion, I corrected the facts on which he made that opinon.

As for what is happening in another thread - I have no idea what you are on about, but i guess as I have to argue against you all the time I must disagree if you think you and I agree on something.... right??

As for the mods thread - as I haven't visited their in months I have no idea what you are on about.

Perhaps different opinions are something to think about. I am not so lacking in self esteem that I need to keep playing your games....you obviously need to bludgeon BS points to death to show your superiority. Newsflash....most people think you are a dik instead of thinking you are right.

So now you nitpick BB because he thinks FL is an azz who doesn't deserve sympathy and doesn't believe FL didn't take the only PED he got popped for. So what? That's his opinion and he has his reasons. You are too insecure to deal with somebody that has a different opinion than you.

Just to repeat it because it appears you are having difficulties with this concept : Yet again - I will remind you I have no problem with BBs opinion, I corrected the facts on which he made that opinion

 

[ChrisE]

Just to repeat it because it appears you are having difficulties with this concept : Yet again - I will remind you I have no problem with BBs opinion, I corrected the facts on which he made that opinion

So now that the facts he used to come to this opinion are lined out , should he have come to the same conclusion? I assume so, since you have no problem with it.

In comparison to hog's and digger's belief of FL's every word since May 2010 and their castigation to those who think he is scum, are you disagreeing? It would seem so if you have no problem with the opinion of BB. Maybe you, digger, and hog should huddle up on PM.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

So now that the facts he used to come to this opinion are lined out , should he have come to the same conclusion? I assume so, since you have no problem with it.

In comparison to hog's and digger's belief of FL's every word since May 2010 and their castigation to those who think he is scum, are you disagreeing? It would seem so if you have no problem with the opinion of BB. Maybe you, digger, and hog should huddle up on PM.

Chris - if you want to find out my views, then ask me - I have no idea what you are bundling me in with anyone else for.
I wrote my own views earlier, - and even agreed with BB about some of the personal stuff on Floyd.
But if you want to lump my opinions in with others then I can understand why you get confused.

 

[ChrisE]

Chris - if you want to find out my views, then ask me - I have no idea what you are bundling me in with anyone else for.
I wrote my own views earlier, - and even agreed with BB about some of the personal stuff on Floyd.
But if you want to lump my opinions in with others then I can understand why you get confused.

LOLOK. I am sure BB appreciates you lining out the proper path to come to his conclusions that you agree with. Hopefully he can apply your lesson to his every day life, like performing your method of due diligence about when to go to the toilet. I am sure it is just a random act for BB as opposed to you.

 

[thehog]

LOLOK. I am sure BB appreciates you lining out the proper path to come to his conclusions that you agree with. Hopefully he can apply your lesson to his every day life, like performing your method of due diligence about when to go to the toilet. I am sure it is just a random act for BB as opposed to you.

My my don't we have a testy bunch on this thread now....

The irony of BB telling us just how disgusting Floyd was by being completely and utterly disgusting himself!

Now we have Chris whilst too frightened to repeat the claims in the same style as BB trying to turn it into a Lance fans vs Landis thing by nitpicking the nitpicker!

You lot have gone completely balmy.

Methinks you guys have a problem because Floyd is too honest. That's what gets your goat.

Too honest.

 

[Digger]

ChrisE you missed the the disgusting remarks made my Botany two nights ago. Not that he thinks Floyd is a cheat etc. Much worse. So get your facts straight before you pipe in.

 

[Digger]

I think it is a fair assumption that Floyd is poor, that the Feds have a strong suspicion that Floyd has committed at least one felony, and that Floyd, if indicted, is not likely to go to trial. I assume that he is a liar because he has lied about serious things on multiple (past) occasions and admitted it. I know he is a cheat, because he is an admitted long-term doping cheat--who ADMITTEDLY does not regret the cheating itself. And Floyd is one of the key people who helped Lance Armstrong achieve his destructive influence on the sport.

Those assumptions are not very controversial.

You use the personal attacks because your available arguments are not very good. The man who goes "full ***" does not make for an easy person to defend. But I forgive you for the personal attacks. Forgiveness is wonderful.

Again, it's like you're read a handbook on irony and hypocrisy every day. It's brilliant. And you don't even realise it that's the best part. You are continuously attacking Floyd's personality. Secondly you have an obsession with him which is weird at this stage.

 

[Digger]

You're clearly obsessed with MarkvW's "swan song" and eventual return to the forum. Why? It has nothing to do with the topic of this thread. So can you please get back to the original topic?

You're also clearly a stalker of sorts. You become intimately familiar with certain people's posts. Why? I know that I've read many of your past posts, but generally restrict my memory of what you say to perhaps a couple of days worth (at best). IE, I'm not obsessed with you or what you write.

But you, on the other hand. Creepy.

You yourself said you noticed his leaving note and commented on it. So there's yet more hypocrisy from you. Almost as good as two days ago when you said you are a fair person, yet in practically the next post, you drew your own sick conclusions about someone's death and divorce. You knew it was sick and proceeded to say it all because of your hate and anger. Disgusting behaviour.

Also you talk of creepy and you alluded to being able to talk to Floyd's father in law in heaven. How messed up is that. It's neither funny or amusing. Just disrespecrful, nasty and vile.

 

[Digger]

This is all pretty funny. Dizzy digger, hulucinating hog, and dr. hemorrhoid attacking BB for not forgiving FL and believing hook/line/sinker everything FL says now. What a shock.

And, why do they care? Why is BB's opinion or his decision to think FL is a prik so repulsive that he must endure countless pages of attack? Maybe the 138 signers of the LA outrage petition have created a slush fund to award daily prizes to the most aggressive LA hater.

ChrisE calm down now man, you know you walk a thin line in here. Anger management classes...remember what they taught you.

Anyway you reason people like Botany, Mark and yourself have an issue with Floyd is his honesty. Yee can't accept that someone in cycling can be that honest. Compare that level of honesty to Lance for example. Floyd came clean about everything, Lance still says he pities us for not believing in miracles.

 

[andy1234]

ChrisE calm down now man, you know you walk a thin line in here. Anger management classes...remember what they taught you.

Anyway you reason people like Botany, Mark and yourself have an issue with Floyd is his honesty. Yee can't accept that someone in cycling can be that honest. Compare that level of honesty to Lance for example. Floyd came clean about everything, Lance still says he pities us for not believing in miracles.

re the bold, Links please? proof that he came clean about everything

Maybe people have issue with Landis, for the same reason they have issues with Armstrong, i.e. he is morally corrupt.
The hypocisy, that suggests somehow Landis is better than Armstrong, is simply absurd. He just wasn't as capable as Armstrong at protecting his deciet.

 

[Digger]

re the bold, Links please? proof that he came clean about everything

Maybe people have issue with Landis, for the same reason they have issues with Armstrong, i.e. he is morally corrupt.
The hypocisy, that suggests somehow Landis is better than Armstrong, is simply absurd. He just wasn't as capable as Armstrong at protecting his deciet.

Landis confessed when he didn't have to, unlike Lance, who continues to uphold the Omerta. Landis' suspension was up, so he didn't have anything to gain from a confession. He wasn't before a Grand Jury where he faced consequences if he told lies. So your posts is nonsense as usual. Landis isn't even on the same stratosphere as Lance when it comes to honesty. Some people on here can't handle honesty though and continue to find fault even when they do get honesty.

 

[andy1234]

Landis confessed when he didn't have to, unlike Lance, who continues to uphold the Omerta. Landis' suspension was up, so he didn't have anything to gain from a confession. He wasn't before a Grand Jury where he faced consequences if he told lies. So your posts is nonsense as usual. Landis isn't even on the same stratosphere as Lance when it comes to honesty. Some people on here can't handle honesty though and continue to find fault even when they do get honesty.

Ok so no proof he came clean about everything.

If Landis made his confessions when his stocks were high, I might agree that he is an honest guy.

He didn't, he confessed when he had f*ck all else available to him.

If things had gone his way, he would still have been hiding his duplicity in just the same way as Armstrong.

Of course any enemy of Armstrong, is a friend of the clinic massive.
Pretend otherwise, but thats where the Landis forgiveness stems from.

 

[thehog]

Ok so no proof he came clean about everything.

If Landis made his confessions when his stocks were high, I might agree that he is an honest guy.

He didn't, he confessed when he had f*ck all else available to him.

If things had gone his way, he would still have been hiding his duplicity in just the same way as Armstrong.

Of course any enemy of Armstrong, is a friend of the clinic massive.
Pretend otherwise, but thats where the Landis forgiveness stems from.

Just so I get this right... you can't be honest when you have nothing?

Really? That's what you're actually saying?

I know why Landis riles you guys up. Too honest.

When Armstrong admits to doping then we'll start talking who's right & who's wrong. For the moment only one guy is being honest.

 

[andy1234]

Just so I get this right... you can't be honest when you have nothing?

Really? That's what you're actually saying?

I know why Landis riles you guys up. Too honest.

When Armstrong admits to doping then we'll start talking who's right & who's wrong. For the moment only one guy is being honest.

No, really, its not what I'm saying.

Yet again, your comprehension skills are lacking. The point is, honesty is as much about the timing of a confession, as the content of it..

Also it's not Landis who riles me up. I care as much about him as I do Armstrong.

Its the hypocrisy of cudddling up with Landis because he gels nicely with the Anti LA mantra.

If your (and others) moral compass is so well adjusted, you should see that picking and choosing the other a$$hole to support, is just a different side of the same coin.