Floyd to be charged with fraud

[BotanyBay]

In your narrow world, I suppose dictionaries don't exist.

Bi-na-ry:
1. consisting of, indicating, or involving two.

IE
0= Black
1= White
(as shown in the photo)

Li-ne-ar:

4. involving measurement in one dimension only.

IE
Tunnel vision

 

[MarkvW]

No I was curious to know what suits you to believe in a Landis interview. Everything that doesn't suit your preconceived ideals is dismissed as lies.

Again you want him to repay people yet keep giving him a hard time about being in it for the money.

I believe (as I've said) that I think Floyd told the truth about everything except the testosterone he took before his Eddy Merckx-like superhuman and heroic ride to Morzine. And I think Floyd omitted volumes.

I've got no problem with Floyd being in it for the money. I've got a problem with the foolish statement that you made that said that Floyd had nothing to gain by coming clean. Dude, he had lots to gain. Wake up and deal with it.

And I hope that Floyd succeeds with his case against Lance!

 

[Dr. Maserati]

To be blunt, calling out his "friends" was just another a$$hole move in a long list of a$$hole moves.

I also never claimed to doubt anything in the Kimmage interview, I didn't even mention it. That was all you.

I thought we were going have a normal discussion for a minute then, but no.
You can't help trying to drag the converstation into an unescapable maze of micro analysis, regardless of the relevance.

Thanks.

It is a normal conversation, you say you have a problem with Floyd's motivations which is perfectly fine.
But when I throw out a question that challenges that you dismiss it as an ******* move and revert back to calling Floyd names.

Again that's fine - but it appears your opinion is rigid in a view as opposed to based on what has been presented - that is your right, but also your problem, not mine.

 

[MarkvW]

Last week you were suggesting it was a stretch to believe Armstrong was behind the fraud case on Floyd.

Now you're suggesting his confession back 2010 was some elongated elaborate plan to file a suit and swindle money from Lance?!! (queue nasty villain laughter soundbite)

So I assume having the Federal charges dropped against Armstrong was part of Landis plan also?

You do like like to yank the chain my friend. What next? A book deal?

You are making stuff up Maserati--again.

Floyd's lawsuit is legit. I'm not saying it isn't. But Floyd OBVIOUSLY could not maintain his omerta and maintain the lawsuit at the same time. One or the other had to give.

And do you think Floyd is above writing another book? Really?

I'm declining your perpetual invitation to talk about Lance.

 

[thehog]

You are making stuff up Maserati--again.

No my name is theHog.

Besides you're the one who keeps bring up this Qum Ter case. But you don't want to discuss it?

You really are strange man at times.

Hard to really trust anything you say.

 

[Zweistein]

Bi-na-ry:
1. consisting of, indicating, or involving two.

IE
0= Black
1= White
(as shown in the photo)

Li-ne-ar:

4. involving measurement in one dimension only.

IE
Tunnel vision

Try again. Items that are linear and measured in one dimension from a range. Binary allows for only two states. I don't really care what you claim your photography lexicon states because we are talking about possible states and not photography. Applying definitions that are not applicable to what we are talking about doesn't make it right no matter how you claim it is.

 

[Race Radio]

This is a wickedly unfair world
http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2012/may/02/sporting-box-wickedly-unfair-world/

 

[BotanyBay]

Try again. Items that are linear and measured in one dimension from a range. Binary allows for only two states. I don't really care what you claim your photography lexicon states because we are talking about possible states and not photography. Applying definitions that are not applicable to what we are talking about doesn't make it right no matter how you claim it is.

Right. You're binary.

And I was applying my definitions to certain people (like yourself), not Floyd Landis. Pay attention. Open your mind. Think greyscale, not 50% threshold.

You'd fit-in quite nicely over at rec.bicycles.racing with the Stanford propeller heads.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

You are making stuff up Maserati--again.

Floyd's lawsuit is legit. I'm not saying it isn't. But Floyd OBVIOUSLY could not maintain his omerta and maintain the lawsuit at the same time. One or the other had to give.

And do you think Floyd is above writing another book? Really?

I'm declining your perpetual invitation to talk about Lance.

What am I making up mark?
That you made a post that Floyd had sold his residence? It's still there - probably the first time in ages that you even linked to something.
Did he sell his home or not, is he as you suggested flush?
Or was it something else you just made up about Floyd? If so, why?

 

[thehog]

Right. You're binary.

And I was applying my definitions to certain people (like yourself), not Floyd Landis. Pay attention. Open your mind. Think greyscale, not 50% threshold.

Perhaps the same theory could be applied to say a testosterone positive?

You know that the results weren't liner or binary. Kinda grey and and not 100% in there actual findings. i.e. they were complex, difficult to deduct how it was classed as a positive.

I don't know. Maybe you do?

 

[BotanyBay]

While wearing a wire for Novitzky, Landis was also working with the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency and who knows how many others in Federal Police World, ratting out past teammates and employers. And now Federal Police World turns on him, the last honest man left in professional cycling, a simple soldier trying to clean up his sport.

Thanks for that article, Race.

Now my question: If Floyd is so honest, why would "Federal Police World" turn on the recently honest Floyd Landis?

ESPN reports that Landis' Grand Jury investigation is at least a year old now. Do you really think that Lance Armstrong has the power to persuade federal prosecutors to punish his former soldiers for disloyalty?

Where is the chimera twin case for Tyler Hamilton's defense?

In order to support the anti-christ/lance logic, you sort of need to be willing to go there with your rhetoric. So... Digger, Maserati, Hog: please, go there. We're waiting.

 

[BotanyBay]

Perhaps the same theory could be applied to say a testosterone positive?

You know that the results weren't liner or binary. Kinda grey and and not 100% in there actual findings. i.e. they were complex, difficult to deduct how it was classed as a positive.

I don't know. Maybe you do?

He already said he would do anything for love, but he won't do THAT?

 

[MarkvW]

Try again. Items that are linear and measured in one dimension from a range. Binary allows for only two states. I don't really care what you claim your photography lexicon states because we are talking about possible states and not photography. Applying definitions that are not applicable to what we are talking about doesn't make it right no matter how you claim it is.

We're really not talking about 'possible states.' We're talking about a metaphor for the thought processes of a human mind. It might not be a perfect metaphor (few are), but it has some explanatory value.

Binary is just another way of expressing the notion of concrete thinking. No abstraction, no shading, on/off, yes/no.

Linear thinking is, at least to me, a rigid progression of thought from one idea to the next.

It seems to me that you could have both. You could have linear processing of binary thoughts.

After all, it's only a metaphor!

 

[thehog]

Thanks for that article, Race.

Now my question: If Floyd is so honest, why would "Federal Police World" turn on the recently honest Floyd Landis?

ESPN reports that Landis' Grand Jury investigation is at least a year old now. Do you really think that Lance Armstrong has the power to persuade federal prosecutors to punish his former soldiers for disloyalty?

In order to support the anti-christ/lance logic, you sort of need to be willing to go there with your rhetoric. So... Digger, Maserati, Hog: please, go there. We're waiting.

You're telling the story so do tell us?

Don't rely on me or anyone else to fill out the story in your fantasies.

Go for it BB! Tell us! Please we're all waiting.

Who are the Federal Police by the way? Who do they work for?

 

[BotanyBay]

There are two stories about Landis that remain vivid to me. One is allowing his mother to defend him in public. The second is holding a benefit for himself at the Ephrata (Pennsylvania) Performing Arts Center.

Digger, your new enemy: Patrick Daughterty, the author of this article. He thought it was humorous to mention Floyd's MOTHER of all people!

What an a-hole, picking on innocent Mennonite mothers and such.

 

[BotanyBay]

You're telling the story so do tell us?

Don't rely on me or anyone else to fill out the story in your fantasies.

Go for it BB! Tell us! Please we're all waiting.

Who are the Federal Police by the way? Who do they work for?

You're the resident "Floyd Yardstick of Truth", so we await your wisdom.

 

[BotanyBay]

We're really not talking about 'possible states.' We're talking about a metaphor for the thought processes of a human mind. It might not be a perfect metaphor (few are), but it has some explanatory value.

Binary is just another way of expressing the notion of concrete thinking. No abstraction, no shading, on/off, yes/no.

Linear thinking is, at least to me, a rigid progression of thought from one idea to the next.

It seems to me that you could have both. You could have linear processing of binary thoughts.

After all, it's only a metaphor!

Don't bother feeding Sheldon here.

 

[Digger]

Digger, your new enemy: Patrick Daughterty, the author of this article. He thought it was humorous to mention Floyd's MOTHER of all people!

What an a-hole, picking on innocent Mennonite mothers and such.

Ah what's the problem? She's alive. Seemingly your trump card is mentioning the dead and blaming Floyd. Classy.

 

[BotanyBay]

Ah what's the problem? She's alive. Seemingly your trump card is mentioning the dead and blaming Floyd. Classy.

If you don't think Floyd's "stuff" had anything to do with the latter situation, you're a complete moron.

 

[Digger]

I believe (as I've said) that I think Floyd told the truth about everything except the testosterone he took before his Eddy Merckx-like superhuman and heroic ride to Morzine. And I think Floyd omitted volumes.

I've got no problem with Floyd being in it for the money. I've got a problem with the foolish statement that you made that said that Floyd had nothing to gain by coming clean. Dude, he had lots to gain. Wake up and deal with it.

And I hope that Floyd succeeds with his case against Lance!

You say you think, but your previous posts don't denote someone who does. You also make an incredible amount of assumptions as though these statements are fact. In a strange way you probably do believe the ill-informed tripe you come out with.

Floyd went to USADA and other agencies long long before any QUO TIME case was started. He spoke to Ashenden and others. He wore a wire. What did he have to gain only relieving his conscience.

 

[thehog]

You're the resident "Floyd Yardstick of Truth", so we await your wisdom.

I'm just trying to understand your post.

Before I respond can you clarify but what you mean by "Federal Police"? Who are the Federal police in the context you mention?

Then I can respond to your post. I just need to make sure I know what you're talking about because I don't want to get this wrong.

 

[BotanyBay]

I'm just trying to understand your post.

Before I respond can you clarify but what you mean by "Federal Police"? Who are the Federal police in the context you mention?

Then I can respond to your post. I just need to make sure I know what you're talking about because I don't want to get this wrong.

Apparently you have failed to read Race Radio's link to the article. By that logic, I must now call you a liar.

 

[Digger]

If you don't think Floyd's "stuff" had anything to do with the latter situation, you're a complete moron.

In case you haven't noticed the author didn't make nasty remarks about Floyd's mother, unlike you who made cheap nasty and distasteful shots about the divorce AND who made statements on more than one occasion about someone who died tragically.
If you don't see he difference here, then you're farther gone than I thought.

 

[MacRoadie]

He already said he would do anything for love, but he won't do THAT?

I'm not sure if misspelling "except" makes that funnier, or an epic fail...

 

[thehog]

Apparently you have failed to read Race Radio's link to the article. By that logic, I must now call you a liar.

You're the one asking the question. I'm seeking clarification on what you're asking.

I'm reading your post:

"Thanks for that article, Race.

Now my question: If Floyd is so honest, why would "Federal Police World" turn on the recently honest Floyd Landis?"

- You wrote "Federal Police". I need to understand in the United States who are the Federal Police? Because its important to the question you're asking.

You suggest that the Federal Police were investigating Armstrong and now they dropped the case and have started proceedings against Landis?

Is that what you're saying?

I think you need to clarify your assertion. Who are the Federal Police?

Then I can respond to the question.