For the "pedaling technique doesn't matter crowd"

[coapman]

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Regardless, it doesn't make much difference what you can do what you are thinking about it as most people do not spend much time while on the bicycle thinking about pedaling technique.

That does explain why there is so much imbalance in the power output from the legs of a cyclist.

 

[CoachFergie]

That does explain why there is so much imbalance in the power output from the legs of a cyclist.

How do you know this when you have never collected any data to show it?

 

[FrankDay]

That does explain why there is so much imbalance in the power output from the legs of a cyclist.

No it doesn't

 

[coapman]

How do you know this when you have never collected any data to show it?

The old counting method works every time.

 

[FrankDay]

Broker in High-Tech Cycling reported data from different groups of cyclists who found that force effectiveness was negatively correlated with power and gave the example of sprint cyclists who produce the greatest amounts of power through the smallest amount of the downstroke.

Unless Broker's data included riders who have actually learned how to better use the backstroke I don't think we should conclude too much from his data about what techniques are superior. Go back and look at the actual Carrigan forces on the backstroke and how they changed with power. There simply isn't enough data to conclude anything about this stuff.

 

[CoachFergie]

The old counting method works every time.

How amusing.

 

[CoachFergie]

Unless Broker's data included riders who have actually learned how to better use the backstroke I don't think we should conclude too much from his data about what techniques are superior.

We don't need to, plenty of well performed studies showing a change in force application around the pedal stroke don't lead to improved overall power or over time an increase in cycling specific fitness of any type.

Go back and look at the actual Carrigan forces on the backstroke and how they changed with power. There simply isn't enough data to conclude anything about this stuff.

All pretty irrelevant considering road cyclists don't perform with a Gimmikcrank so more important to look at the studies performed using the normal cranks that riders will use in competition.

 

[coapman]

Wow what vivid imaginations you both have.

Broker in High-Tech Cycling reported data from different groups of cyclists who found that force effectiveness was negatively correlated with power and gave the example of sprint cyclists who produce the greatest amounts of power through the smallest amount of the downstroke.
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You being the coach should be able to explain why ?

 

[CoachFergie]

You being the coach should be able to explain why ?

The situation (track vs road, vs MTB) and the duration of the event determines how power is applied through the pedal stroke. Training specifically for any event takes care of this.

You are trying to say there is a better way of pedalling in time trials but have not presented any data that this actually happens despite the equipment to test this hypothesis being available for 30+ years.

Frank is trying to say that we should pedal differently to how we intend to perform and that using a crank that forces this change will cause changes that will remain after we go back onto normal cranks for competition. Again not presenting any data to prove this happens and plenty of well performed research to show that no change in force application around the pedal stroke allows for greater overall power, that training like this provides a better training stimulus and that the new technique is retained when a rider goes back onto normal cranks. Neither published or anecdotally.

 

[coapman]

Wow what vivid imaginations you both have.

Broker in High-Tech Cycling reported data from different groups of cyclists who found that force effectiveness was negatively correlated with power and gave the example of sprint cyclists who produce the greatest amounts of power through the smallest amount of the downstroke.

Why do sprint cyclists who produce the greatest amount of power do it through the smallest amount of downstroke.

 

[CoachFergie]

Why do sprint cyclists who produce the greatest amount of power do it through the smallest amount of downstroke.

Because they are pedalling at 130-150rpm.

 

[coapman]

Because they are pedalling at 130-150rpm.

but their feet still have to go through the 1 to 5 o'c power zone.

 

[coapman]

You are trying to say there is a better way of pedalling in time trials but have not presented any data that this actually happens despite the equipment to test this hypothesis being available for 30+ years.

Anquetil presented all the proof that is necessary throughout all his racing years.

 

[CoachFergie]

but their feet still have to go through the 1 to 5 o'c power zone.

You really don't have a clue do you.

 

[CoachFergie]

Anquetil presented all the proof that is necessary throughout all his racing years.

Pathetic.

 

[coapman]

You really don't have a clue do you.

I have more than a clue , I have the answer but you don't. That's what happens when you are a one technique rider.

 

[CoachFergie]

I have more than a clue , I have the answer but you don't. That's what happens when you are a one technique rider.

Yup and to think people pay me good money for my advice.

How much has your wisdom earned you

 

[coapman]

Yup and to think people pay me good money for my advice.

How much has your wisdom earned you

I have more than enough money to see me through the rest of my life.

 

[CoachFergie]

I have more than enough money to see me through the rest of my life.

Nice dodge. Been learning from Frank?

 

[Tapeworm]

Anquetil presented all the proof that is necessary throughout all his racing years.

He did? Care to point to his power profile or peddling analysis?

 

[CoachFergie]

He did? Care to point to his power profile or peddling analysis?

*Pedalling analysis! Peddling is what Frank does

Noels delusion is all the proof he needs.

 

[coapman]

He did? Care to point to his power profile or peddling analysis?

No problem, he used the perfect TT semi circular technique which does not have all the disadvantages of mashing, including that one above which restricts a sprinter's application of torque in the downstroke.

 

[CoachFergie]

Noel, if you didn't understand the question just ask and Tapeworm will spell it out so a moron could understand it.

 

[coapman]

Noel, if you didn't understand the question just ask and Tapeworm will spell it out so a moron could understand it.

How about Obree's power profile and pedalling analysis. Maybe Frank will spell out for you the answer to that sprinter question.

 

[CoachFergie]

How about Obree's power profile and pedalling analysis. Maybe Frank will spell out for you the answer to that sprinter question.

Would have been nice if Obree had presented some power and pedal force data to support his method.

Having coached several riders to various World, US, Oceania and NZ Sprint Titles and working with some very good biomechanists and physiologists I suspect Frank has nothing to teach me about Sprinting.