Four-year Ferrari investigation handed over to CONI

[thehog]

I would expect the UCI to announce a delay in the CIRC report. They need time to process this info.

They're only interested on the dark Lance era. Doping stopped with margin gains.

 

[grizzlee]

haha this is too good.

surely the new clean era is dead now?

Why all the laughing? You actually sound really happy and excited that there is a major doping scandal going to be revealed.

Now we all knew this was coming. Maybe not to the extent that it looks like its going to be (20 teams and up to 90 riders), but im genuinely puzzled by your reaction, you seem to be delighted with the extent of it.

I hope im just picking you up wrong.

 

[bewildered]

'there is no way I would engage myself with Astana. There is a limit'.

Strange quote seeing as he is banned from engaging with any team? Lost in translation?

 

[bewildered]

Why all the laughing? You actually sound really happy and excited that there is a major doping scandal going to be revealed.

Now we all knew this was coming. Maybe not to the extent that it looks like its going to be (20 teams and up to 90 riders), but im genuinely puzzled by your reaction, you seem to be delighted with the extent of it.

I hope im just picking you up wrong.

I am delighted also, as the farce I have been watching for 20+ years non-stop is being shown for what it is, what is obvious to me. I want to watch cycling like it was in the late 80s, where TTers drop time on climbs and gain it back on TTs etc etc

 

[webvan]

Right but you'd need actual ITTs for that to be possible ;-)

Ferrari certainly had/has no fear of anything or anyone?! Must have felt he was somehow "protected"? Pretty terrifying stuff, although the fact that Vino's been allowed to run a ProTour team isn't a lot better.

 

[More Strides than Rides]

Why all the laughing? You actually sound really happy and excited that there is a major doping scandal going to be revealed.

Now we all knew this was coming. Maybe not to the extent that it looks like its going to be (20 teams and up to 90 riders), but im genuinely puzzled by your reaction, you seem to be delighted with the extent of it.

I hope im just picking you up wrong.

I for one that am happy that this doping is being revealed. There is also joy in the "I told you so" in the face of all the new-generation, not-cool-any-more, doping-stopped-in-200x attitudes.

The article is about cycling, but surely there will be involvement from other sports as well? Have any other sources pointed to a broader scope of Ferrari's involvement in sport?

 

[deValtos]

'there is no way I would engage myself with Astana. There is a limit'.

Strange quote seeing as he is banned from engaging with any team? Lost in translation?

It's from a satirical website.

 

[lllludo]

Garmin have an 'internal testing program'

Sky had Leinders.

The French dont dope, ssshhhh

Don't forget the Padova enquiry covers the 2008-2011 period so: no major victories yet for Garmin, Leinders mostly at Rabo and the French didn't have great results (except Voeckler and Chavanel in 2011)

 

[grizzlee]

'there is no way I would engage myself with Astana. There is a limit'.

Strange quote seeing as he is banned from engaging with any team? Lost in translation?

That's a **** take website, look at all the other major headlines. its just for fun.

Digger got caught out by it too on twitter today, he went on a 4 or 5 tweet rant then realized it was only a joke.

I got caught out too btw.

 

[Bumeington]

'there is no way I would engage myself with Astana. There is a limit'.

Strange quote seeing as he is banned from engaging with any team? Lost in translation?

Spooof (can't spell correctly) website look at the other articles

 

[sniper]

Sky used Leinders.

And Leinders leaving Rabo could explain Rabo moving to Ferrari.

I am delighted also, as the farce I have been watching for 20+ years non-stop is being shown for what it is, what is obvious to me.

well said. it was obvious to anbody with half a brain, so the russian stuff and now this stuff hitting the headlines is simply good news.

Don't forget the Padova enquiry covers the 2008-2011 period so: no major victories yet for Garmin, Leinders mostly at Rabo and the French didn't have great results (except Voeckler and Chavanel in 2011)

good point re Garmin, though I highly doubt they have been in business with Ferrari. JV isn't that stupid, and they're based in Girona, enough doctors there.
Btw, doesn't the investigation extend into the present? the Astana-Ferrari link relates to 2013, right?

 

[the sceptic]

cleanest GT ever

 

[thehog]

haha this is too good.

surely the new clean era is dead now?

Imagine if the peloton was actually cleans. Clean Froome would have won by 47 minutes

 

[bewildered]

ok s**** site. I saw Digger tweeting it and assumed it was correct, my bad.

Perhaps after Wiggins and Froome the other teams knew it was a free-for-all and decided to take a risk with Ferrari

 

[sniper]

cleanest GT ever

I hope the Dutch press will not let Rabo rest until they answer some questions.
Dutch cycling will have a hard time if guys like Mollema and Ten Dam turn out to have been Ferrari clients.

 

[SafeBet]

Here is the article from todays La Gazzetta:

Someone else can maybe make it more readable and better translated?
(i cannot post link as you will enter my account)

Google translate:

The translation is decent enough. It was bad written in italian though, so some paragraphs just doesn't make much sense.

 

[L'arriviste]

Ferrari certainly had/has no fear of anything or anyone?! Must have felt he was somehow "protected"? Pretty terrifying stuff, although the fact that Vino's been allowed to run a ProTour team isn't a lot better.

In recent years, Ferrari has spread risk very carefully. He neither prescribes nor administers doping himself. It is, I believe, the same way in which Cecchini probably used to operate, with a very loose and detachable chain of proxies to procure substances and dispense day-to-day advice. Hence all the apologists. Contrast that with Fuentes, meanwhile, who was too close to the blood and involved his mates in the operation.

What does come out of his mouth, and there is plenty of that, can always be denied later. Wiretaps are harder to beat but as we all know, with his camper van, he is mobile and there is no reason to believe he treats telephony with any less care.

In this way, nothing particularly incriminating is ever on paper or in Ferrari's hands to render him guilty of those doping activities with the hardest penalties. In fact, it is his clients and his proxies who run the greatest risks.

I reckoned for some years that personal vanity and the svengali image he cultivated would bring him down eventually. Ferrari seems to have thought he was untouchable. This strategy of his explains why the authorities have targeted the money instead. Al Capone style.

 

[lllludo]

In recent years, Ferrari has spread risk very carefully. He neither prescribes nor administers doping himself.

Sure Il Dottore is cautious but he has huuuge ego, he is volubile and he likes to provoke.
While, in the eye of the storm, today the Dottore has been advising a fan from Albania (proxie ;-)) on his website : "sure you can sustain 6,6W/kg during 1 hour. No problemo"
IL MITO !!!!

http://www.53x12.com/do/show?page=forum.thread&id=6924

 

[L'arriviste]

Sure Il Dottore is cautious but he has huuuge ego, he is volubile and he likes to provoke.
While, in the eye of the storm, today the Dottore has been advising a fan from Albania (proxie ;-)) on his website : "sure you can sustain 6,6W/kg during 1 hour. No problemo"
IL MITO !!!!

http://www.53x12.com/do/show?page=forum.thread&id=6924

Definitely. This is the thing about vanity. Fuentes has it too. Very unGodfatherlike.

 

[Samson777]

Why ban Astana and not the other teams on the list that are still current?

To ban Astana and not say Tinkoff, Rabo, Katusha, et al will be again a load of hypocrisy.

So they should ban Tinkoff-Saxo, because Tinkoff's old team, had riders connected to Ferrari? It is very easy to come up with good reasons, for why a team lead by Riis should be banned. But really this is not one for them.

 

[Miburo]

Why ban Astana and not the other teams on the list that are still current?

To ban Astana and not say Tinkoff, Rabo, Katusha, et al will be again a load of hypocrisy.

Depends on the evidence but yea then again if they do that it might be the end of cycling. Banning so many teams.

 

[Miburo]

So they should ban Tinkoff-Saxo, because Tinkoff's old team, had riders connected to Ferrari? It is very easy to come up with good reasons, for why a team lead by Riis should be banned. But really this is not one for them.

I'm a fan of Contador but let's face it, it's hilarious that Riis can lead a team but bruyneel is the worst human in existence and can never be associated with a cycling team anymore.

That's just beyond me.

 

[Miburo]

It would be hilarious btw if all the big guys get banned and Sky solo's the tour by having the first 5 places in the tour LOL

 

[Netserk]

I'm a fan of Contador but let's face it, it's hilarious that Riis can lead a team but bruyneel is the worst human in existence and can never be associated with a cycling team anymore.

That's just beyond me.

Officially, what has he done that is worse than what Madiot/Vaughters/plenty of others has done?

 

[Gregga]

Definitely. This is the thing about vanity. Fuentes has it too. Very unGodfatherlike.

By the way how many GT did Ferrari actually "win" ???

7 with Armstrong
4 with Rominger
1 with Berzin
2 with Savoldelli
2 (3?) with Menchov
2 with Gotti
1 with Tonkov
1 with Vino
1 with Olano
1 with Scarponi

That's at least 22 grand Tours wins... for what we know, maybe 30, 35...