Frank schleck

[Christian]

Spot on.

But unfortunately there's a contradiction there. Only the evil Mediterraneans and Eastern Europeans dope.

Would be awesome if Frank skated. Juncker to the rescue!

I was happy to see Romain Schneider (Luxembourg minister of sports) say on the TV yesterday that, while they support Schleck as a sportsman, they have a zero tolerance for doping ... I thought that was already a progress to Jaime Lissavetzky and Zapatero. As of now I highly doubt Juncker will get involved in this but somewhere down the line it might happen

 

[hrotha]

I was happy to see Romain Schneider (Luxembourg minister of sports) say on the TV yesterday that, while they support Schleck as a sportsman, they have a zero tolerance for doping ... I thought that was already a progress to Jaime Lissavetzky and Zapatero. As of now I highly doubt Juncker will get involved in this but somewhere down the line it might happen

Spanish authorities are always babbling about zero tolerance for doping. They run ads on TV and everything. They weren't saying Contador cheated but he's Spanish so it doesn't matter. They were saying they had zero tolerance for doping, but Contador wasn't a doper so booyah!

I don't see much of a difference between Spanish and Luxembourgish authorities here, and Spain gets a lot of flak, so it's only fair that Luxembourg does too.

 

[sniper]

very little i've seen really compares with present-day spanish doping apologism.
The Lux. cycling federation will be very hard-pressed to top the Spanish in terms of apologism.

This notwithstanding, and notwithstanding the oddity of testing positive for xipemid, it is clear frenk doped and dopes, and there should be no presumption of innocence in his case. If he can't show he took xipamid-contaminated food supplements, the lux. federation should ban him for 2 years. everything else will be deplorable.

 

[jmspinto]

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Don´t want to read or to know anything more: I simply DON´T believe Frank Schleck doped! I think this is becoming a witches hunt!!!

 

[Cavalier]

Lot of witches in the world nowadays. Bet Salem is glad they got rid of them when they did.

 

[MrRoboto]

Getting caught in a doping test is now considered a witch hunt...Hope you are kidding.

 

[Cloxxki]

Don´t want to read or to know anything more: I simply DON´T believe Frank Schleck doped! I think this is becoming a witches hunt!!!

After all the GOOD he's done, for the sport, and for the science of gynaecology. Who can sink as low in their jealousy as to spike his bottle or pee with a random medicin cabinet cocktail?

Doping is like illness and eventual departure, it doesn't discriminate too much between friendly faces and outright villans.

 

[zigmeister]

Uhm, you think the case against AC was any stronger? I don't think so... I think it's about the same actually.

That's my point. The cases are very similar as I wrote.

Contador got off easily. Frank will get off with less penalty since he has accomplished nothing this year, or in the TDF. So he actually loses nothing but 10 months maybe when the ruling is made of suspension.

In the meantime, he and others are done with Radio Shack/Leopard with their issues. So by next spring, he is back in action with a new team born again!!

Yes, his reputation is tainted. But, some are less tainted and accepted back into the pro ranks much easier than others. The Schlecks are likeable, particularly in the States. They will keep a big following and continue to make huge $$$, even after this situation.

Also, maybe it was just another ploy to get out of his contract with Leopard?!?! Most teams have strict anti-doping clauses now for immediate dismissal. Though, that is a tough way to go out.

 

[TheGeneral]

Any guesses to what Frank was masking ???

 

[BYOP88]

Any guesses to what Frank was masking ???

Lack of natural talent.

 

[TheGeneral]

Lack of natural talent.

Good one

 

[sniper]

After all the GOOD he's done, for the sport, and for the science of gynaecology.

Werner Franke on the topic:

Also, Fränk Schleck, da muss ich mich ja eher wundern. Wie korrupt ist denn dieses System? Fränk Schleck war schon bekannt seit 2005. Ich habe selbst Kopien der Ermittlungen des Bundeskriminalamtes, wie er bestimmte Beträge an den Dr. Fuentes, der ja auch Jan Ulrich ja dort gedopt hat, bezahlt hat. Da war auch Fränk Schleck immer dabei, auch Jaksche war dabei, auch ein deutscher Radfahrer, wie Sie wissen. Und da hat sich aber um den Luxemburger Schleck - wahrscheinlich hat er das für beide Brüder dann immer gleich bestellt -, da hat sich keiner gekümmert. Er soll gesagt haben, er hätte das nur als Beratung getan. Hallo! Beratung - durch einen Gynäkologen? Dr. Fuentes ist Gynäkologe! Der kann also da wenig Ratschläge geben. Der kann nur Ratschläge geben, was man nehmen muss, um zu dopen. Und so ist es ja da auch geschehen.

Also, Schleck war genauso unter den Sündern von 2005, 2006, wie viele andere Athleten auch. Er ist komischerweise nie bestraft worden.

http://www.dradio.de/dkultur/sendungen/tacheles/1816186/

 

[Apollonius]

Good one

Absolutely nothing.

I've no doubt he's doped in the past but there's no way he's been stupid enough to use xipimide. More than likely he was spiked by those currently avoiding paying him millions of euros.

 

[Cloxxki]

Werner Franke on the topic:

http://www.dradio.de/dkultur/sendungen/tacheles/1816186/

Thanks.
Fuentes of course used to be quite an accomplished runner in his own right, but not the most likely candidate to get trianing plans from if you're a Lux bike rider

I do believe for at least 50% that Frank was spiked. He doped well enough though. It's the Landis thing all over again. I do believe he was off testosterone this time. One thing we might learn here is that this particular PED is actually still circulating in the peloton, or the sample life all the way up to the labs.
When any substance causes a positive, riders should immediately be turned into a high scrutiny passport case, with lower proof requirements for a ban. And old records opened, including the Fuentes thing. Can Fuentes not be kindly asked what he remembers? He's gotten quite talkative since having been thrown in the brick. Or would blackmail pay his lifestyle now? In his shoes, that's be my thang now. More training advises and blackmail, clients get 2 for the price of one. Payment in unmarked circulated gold coins. Wire transfers are so zero's.

 

[Fortyninefourteen]

Absolutely nothing.

I've no doubt he's doped in the past but there's no way he's been stupid enough to use xipimide. More than likely he was spiked by those currently avoiding paying him millions of euros.

Actually, spiking their own guy with the goal of getting out of paying the 500,000 euros or whatever he claims it is, may very well be payback for doing their dirty laundry in public.....

 

[hrotha]

Look, Radioshack is such a farce of a team, run by criminals and collapsing on itself, I wouldn't rule out the conspiracy scenario. But the most likely scenario is still the simplest one: Fränk miscalculated and was caught.

 

[D-Queued]

Look, Radioshack is such a farce of a team, run by criminals and collapsing on itself, I wouldn't rule out the conspiracy scenario. But the most likely scenario is still the simplest one: Fränk miscalculated and was caught.

If everyone believed the obvious,these forums wouldn't be quite so interesting.

Frank = doped.

Dave.

 

[No_Balls]

very little i've seen really compares with present-day spanish doping apologism.
The Lux. cycling federation will be very hard-pressed to top the Spanish in terms of apologism.

No, i see very much in common.

 

[131313]

If everyone believed the obvious,these forums wouldn't be quite so interesting.

Frank = doped.

Dave.

well, I think he doped, but I also think he was set up. The article on the Schlecks going to Astana sealed the deal for me. Doping and being framed for doping are hardly mutually exclusive! As I said, it's like a hooker stealing money from a john. Good luck telling your story to the police: "I couldn't have used that stuff, because this other stuff is my masking agent of choice..."

 

[blackcat]

well, I think he doped, but I also think he was set up. The article on the Schlecks going to Astana sealed the deal for me. Doping and being framed for doping are hardly mutually exclusive! As I said, it's like a hooker stealing money from a john. Good luck telling your story to the police: "I couldn't have used that stuff, because this other stuff is my masking agent of choice..."

hmmm, I thought Floyd's name was Floyd not John.

 

[sniper]

well, I think he doped, but I also think he was set up. The article on the Schlecks going to Astana sealed the deal for me. Doping and being framed for doping are hardly mutually exclusive! As I said, it's like a hooker stealing money from a john. Good luck telling your story to the police: "I couldn't have used that stuff, because this other stuff is my masking agent of choice..."

+1 well said. concise, true, and hilarious

 

[iZnoGouD]

Look, Radioshack is such a farce of a team, run by criminals and collapsing on itself, I wouldn't rule out the conspiracy scenario. But the most likely scenario is still the simplest one: Fränk miscalculated and was caught.

dude without his brother in the race do you think he gives a ****? i'am pretty sure he was clean which his explains his miserable form

 

[sniper]

dude without his brother in the race do you think he gives a ****? i'am pretty sure he was clean which his explains his miserable form

Lance 2010 provided solid evidence to the contrary.

 

[Maxiton]

well, I think he doped, but I also think he was set up. The article on the Schlecks going to Astana sealed the deal for me. Doping and being framed for doping are hardly mutually exclusive! As I said, it's like a hooker stealing money from a john. Good luck telling your story to the police: "I couldn't have used that stuff, because this other stuff is my masking agent of choice..."

+1. This.

 

[Christian]

Spanish authorities are always babbling about zero tolerance for doping. They run ads on TV and everything. They weren't saying Contador cheated but he's Spanish so it doesn't matter. They were saying they had zero tolerance for doping, but Contador wasn't a doper so booyah!

I don't see much of a difference between Spanish and Luxembourgish authorities here, and Spain gets a lot of flak, so it's only fair that Luxembourg does too.

But didn't Lissavetzky publicly state that neither Valverde nor Contador had doped, so case closed? And I remember by the end even Zapatero assured the public of Contador's innocence, as if he had any knowledge at all about PED's. That statement was beyond ridiculous to me, but of course at the time there were probably larger political reflections for Zapatero.

Don't get me wrong I am not trying to say Spanish authorities are worse than Luxembourgian. All I was trying to say is I am happy that politicians haven't gotten (publicly) involved in this case yet and I hope it will stay that way even though I could well imagine the contrary being the case