Frank schleck

[Arnout]

Ah yeah sure why bother with a list at all. Is that statement for real or just to solicit a reaction ?

For real. I do understand the use of the list, for legal things and such. I'm not interested in legal stuff though, I just want to see fair battles on the hills and roads around Europe. I see the list as a help to cyclists and WADA alike, but not as something determining right or wrong.

 

[rhubroma]

Looks like they are cleaning house to get ready.

 

[Arnout]

Alberto, is that you?

No, my name is clear I guess.

 

[blackcat]

You mean Kim Andersen. And Riis certainly introduced some people to Cecchini and possibly to Fuentes.

But that may be OT.

I did.

thnx for the correction

 

[patrick767]

I have to agree that this is very odd. Why take a diuretic now to gain some advantage, via masking or dropping weight before more tough mountain stages, during a sub-par Tour performance? There's the risk of getting caught and little upside to it. What would FS be trying to do, dope his way to a top ten finish after being 3rd last year? Why bother?

Also, why isn't immediately testing the B sample automatic? Do it before they go public with the test results. If the A sample is positive, you test the B just to make sure. Then announce it. It seems like that should be standard operating procedure.

Waiting to hear more about what this will mean...

 

[LaFlorecita]

Oops....!!

 

[Franklin]

doping is a season-long adventure.

There is some evidence that this is actually not true. There are successful schemes relying on off-season anabolic intake. And if he had been using his own blood (spinned) he surely wouldn't need a diuretic.

 

[issoisso]

Also, why isn't immediately testing the B sample automatic? Do it before they go public with the test results. If the A sample is positive, you test the B just to make sure. Then announce it. It seems like that should be standard operating procedure.

After the A sample is positive, the rider is informed and asked whether he wants to admit guilt or ask for the B-sample to be tested. He has 30 days to make a decision.

 

[deValtos]

Can someone say if Xipamide is something you can take 'accidently' (in other products/food etc) or is it something you must know you have taken if its in your system ? Thanks.

 

[noddy69]

For real. I do understand the use of the list, for legal things and such. I'm not interested in legal stuff though, I just want to see fair battles on the hills and roads around Europe. I see the list as a help to cyclists and WADA alike, but not as something determining right or wrong.

The riders know what is on that list and none can claim ignorance of that although many try. If something was amiss with Franks test then you can be sure he didnt take it with a halo over his head and knew what he was doing. So any rider saying they didnt take something to enhance performance I would consider to be trying to pull a fast one.
They know whats on the list so why risk it if there is no benefit on the road.That doesnt make any sense if logic is applied.

 

[avanti]

According to Wikipedia this effects >10% of users as follows:

more than 1/10 of all patients[1]

• hypokalaemia, which can lead to nausea, muscular weakness or cramps, and ECG abnormities

Why would any cyclist purposly take this drug with a >10% chance of muscle weakness?

 

[Fergoose]

Always a happy day to see a testing regime showing a success. Slightly baffled as Frank has been doing a good impression of being utterly demotivated and disinterested in this race from the outset. Plus he didn't even have his brother here as potential motivation to cheat. Before the race he said he shouldn't be considered leader as he couldn't perform and he has sure walked the walk on that score.

Still, as has been said above. It's up to him and his team what is in his system so tough luck Frank.

 

[blackcat]

Could you elaborate on this?

I got Kim Andersen and Rolf confused. apologies

 

[Red Rick]

Can someone say if Xipamide is something you can take 'accidently' (in other products/food etc) or is it something you must know you have taken if its in your system ? Thanks.

I suppose you could dissolve it in some stuff (can't remember the name) which makes it can go through your skin, say i dissolve the drug in that stuff and pour it over a rider, he could theoritically test positive

 

[BroDeal]

I'm pretty positive (oops) that FatPat has been on the phone all day with the lab and the Sclecks to get their "thoughts" before going public, the news being out it means they had nothing useful to say for themselves.

"I know, Frank, that you were not doing anything that everyone else was not doing, but you are the one who was caught...You will end up penniless if you fight this..."

The downside for this is that the Germans were about to dip their toe back in the water by supporting a new team. That is probably dead now.

 

[BroDeal]

i suppose you could dissolve it in some stuff (can't remember the name) which makes it can go through your skin, say i dissolve the drug in that stuff and pour it over a rider, he could theoritically test positive

dmso

..............

 

[Arnout]

The riders know what is on that list and none can claim ignorance of that although many try. If something was amiss with Franks test then you can be sure he didnt take it with a halo over his head and knew what he was doing. So any rider saying they didnt take something to enhance performance I would consider to be trying to pull a fast one.
They know whats on the list so why risk it if there is no benefit on the road.That doesnt make any sense if logic is applied.

I know there is no way to win these arguments, based on a clear right/wrong. There can be many reasons though, maybe Schleck went to a normal doctor asking for treatment after his fall, because there was water in or near his wound. If that's the case, I don't see any reason to ban him. I know you do, but I don't, as I don't care about the strict legal consequences of actions, but about the intention.

 

[Dr.Sahl]

Well.. I did predict that Frank would drop out of the tour before he would attack on the stage tomorrow--- not that way I expected it to happen ^^

 

[wattage]

Finally! Frank has been killing it all year.

 

[noddy69]

If Frank can come up with an excuse as to why he took it, being not to increase performance he could get off with a warning or at most a one year ban, so not the end of the world, just his reputation.

 

[DominicDecoco]

So, this is pretty much the biggest suspicion against Andy in his whole career without actually being one..?

 

[Franklin]

dmso

..............

Meh, why Frank? If it was RSNT they could have used easier methods to spike him.

I'd say this theory is way to outlandish.

 

[blackcat]

Always a happy day to see a testing regime showing a success.

you dont realise what you wrote is nonsensical.

tenet of justice is universality.

one + of a significant proportion of the peloton, is not a success. It is an escaped goat (sic).

 

[will10]

According to Wikipedia this effects >10% of users as follows:

more than 1/10 of all patients[1]

• hypokalaemia, which can lead to nausea, muscular weakness or cramps, and ECG abnormities

Why would any cyclist purposly take this drug with a >10% chance of muscle weakness?

Maybe he has had more professional advice than wikipedia?

 

[avanti]

Really, the only important fact is that it appears on the banned substance list. ..................

It does not appear on the WADA list as far as I can determine.