Frank schleck

[Bala Verde]

We don't know when he took it, but could it be that after the giro he started preparing some packed bags for the TdF? To quickly achieve this, could he have used the diuretics (if that actually works) to quickly boost his RBC count? What would that do to the his biological passport?

He reinfused it during the TdF and a (small?) trace amount remained present?

What's the half life of xipamide anyway?

According to wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xipamide

Half-life 5.8 to 8.2 hours

How long would it then take to disappear from his body?

Anyway. I am speculating too much.

The thing is however, athletes from endurance sports continue to be caught for use/presence of diuretics, so there must be something that makes it beneficial...

 

[cocteau_ireland]

Can anyone tell me the (rough) odds of being tested, on any given day. Has frank et al been playing the odds? Does the uci passport programme mean a higher level suspect is going to be more tested at tdf?

 

[Thee_chisa]

Okay yes that sounds logical thanks for the info!

but you would only have the same amount of RBCs which is the important thing. diuretics are for masking, they have no performance effect except for rapid weight loss via fluid, which leads to dehydration

 

[gatete]

So yeah, just when things couldn't get any worse for RSNT...

Radio Shack must be saying: Damn Contador to whip Lance's behind in 09, he's the reason we're all in this mess!!!!!

 

[Bala Verde]

but you would only have the same amount of RBCs which is the important thing. diuretics are for masking, they have no performance effect except for rapid weight loss via fluid, which leads to dehydration

Cheers.

.......

 

[Big Doopie]

i have always maintained that the schlecks were filthy.

fuentes, schlecklet's sudden changes in form, his inability to criticize contadope when he supposedly "stole" a tour victory from him, frank schleck announcing at the tour de suisse that he would not be a contender at the tour right after the usada indictment came down on bruyneel.

both schlecks had no issue initially with bruyneel - a ds whose only success is due to doping his riders in excess.

schlecks are complete frauds. always have been.

 

[webbie146]

but you would only have the same amount of RBCs which is the important thing. diuretics are for masking, they have no performance effect except for rapid weight loss via fluid, which leads to dehydration

Thing is I heard on tv that Xipamide is very easy to trace/detect in a test. Why would Frank use it knowing the change it's detected is high?

 

[Thee_chisa]

We don't know when he took it, but could it be that after the giro he started preparing some packed bags for the TdF? To quickly achieve this, could he have used the diuretics (if that actually works) it doesn't

He reinfused it during the TdF and a (small?) trace amount remained present?

What's the half life of xipamide anyway?

According to wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xipamide



How long would it then take to disappear from his body?

Anyway. I am speculating too much.

The thing is however, athletes from endurance sports continue to be caught for use/presence of diuretics, so there must be something that makes it beneficial...

say 7 hours half life. 40mgs.
7 hours 20 mgs
14 hours 10mgs
21 hours 5 mgs
28 hours 2.5 mgs
35 hours 1.25 mgs
42 hours 0.625mgs
49 hours 0.3125mgs
etc

they are going to be testing for micrograms probably (don't know how accurate UCI machines are) so that could still be in his body a week after he took it

 

[Thee_chisa]

Thing is I heard on tv that Xipamide is very easy to trace/detect in a test. Why would Frank use it knowing the change it's detected is high?

because he isn't a pharmacologist. he puts his trust in certain doctors to be aware of these things. they obviously aren't. and the presumably chaotic way in which this doping is done - in the bus in a layby for example -mistakes can be made.

 

[sartoris]

Thing is I heard on tv that Xipamide is very easy to trace/detect in a test. Why would Frank use it knowing the change it's detected is high?

That shouldn't worry you. Contador's precedent is highly pertinent to this case: having the slightest trace of the substance in your body makes you guilty. Full stop

 

[erader]

Which I think is incredibly stupid and more a look at me reaction than being sincere. If it was EPO yes, but this is a substance I bet those guys never even heard of.

like clenbuterol?

 

[cocteau_ireland]

Also, this whole doing it on a bus in a lay-by going back years. When is a news agency (maybe not sky) gonna tail some of the more questionable teams.

 

[Peccio89]

Seems to me that he was caught because of the complaint against radioshack for the wage non payment, for the new team talk, and generally for the quarrel between the Schleck and Bruynell.
I would not be surprised if a radioshack doctor put this substance into Frank without him knowing it, just because Bruynell wanted some sort of revenge on him and on his brother.
Sad thing is now the new german team with the Schleck might even not start at all, with a great loss for all the people involved.


And in the meantime Froome instead will keep on shining at tour.

 

[Captain Sensible]

First Lance now Frank I blame it on the Trek bikes they ride

 

[webbie146]

because he isn't a pharmacologist. he puts his trust in certain doctors to be aware of these things. they obviously aren't. and the presumably chaotic way in which this doping is done - in the bus in a layby for example -mistakes can be made.

Well epic fail on there part then lol..

 

[BYOP88]

So happy!! I know he's not going to get banned, but still a great day.

 

[Skibby the bush kangaroo]

Can anyone tell me the (rough) odds of being tested, on any given day. Has frank et al been playing the odds? Does the uci passport programme mean a higher level suspect is going to be more tested at tdf?

Well on the day he was tested he was one of 6 "randomly" chosen plus the leader and stage winner, so with ~160 riders in the race, provided you don't win or get the maillot jaune you are looking at about a 1 in 26 chance assuming it is chosen independently of position of GC. I suspect in reality it would be higher for someone like Frank Schleck, especially if he hadn't been tested in the preceeding days, but probably still 1 in 10 at best.

 

[Thee_chisa]

Well on the day he was tested he was one of 6 "randomly" chosen plus the leader and stage winner, so with ~160 riders in the race, provided you don't win or get the maillot jaune you are looking at about a 1 in 26 chance assuming it is chosen independently of position of GC. I suspect in reality it would be higher for someone like Frank Schleck, especially if he hadn't been tested in the preceeding days, but probably still 1 in 10 at best.

they should take blood from every rider, every day. also hair samples, urine, etc.

that would take the gamble out of it

the ASO/UCI have the money to do this.

and freeze the samples for future re-testing when testing is more precise.

 

[cocteau_ireland]

Well on the day he was tested he was one of 6 "randomly" chosen plus the leader and stage winner, so with ~160 riders in the race, provided you don't win or get the maillot jaune you are looking at about a 1 in 26 chance assuming it is chosen independently of position of GC. I suspect in reality it would be higher for someone like Frank Schleck, especially if he hadn't been tested in the preceeding days, but probably still 1 in 10 at best.

Thanx. Seen the dopage box with the names but didn't realise that was it bar the winner and yellow. Depending on his last test, his odds-in his eyes- may well have been worth the punt.

 

[Skibby the bush kangaroo]

The blood controls are separate (and might be more extensive?) so maybe he prioritised making the blood clean at the expense of the urine.

 

[Thee_chisa]

The blood controls are separate (and might be more extensive?) so maybe he prioritised making the blood clean at the expense of the urine.

TEST ALL AND OFTEN!!!!

Blood, hair, urine, stool maybe?

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Mike Kaltoft Jensen ‏@CrueTrue
@DopeologyDotOrg Am I correct in saying that you don't have any previous records of Xipamid?

Dopeology.org ‏@DopeologyDotOrg
@CrueTrue Yes, it's the first recorded instance of this substance, Mike. I'm still undecided on waiting for the B before publishing.

http://www.dopeology.org/

 

[sashimono]

Why would he dope when he's 9:45 back in 12th place?

Would he get a bonus for a top 10 or something?

 

[Benotti69]

Why would he dope when he's 9:45 back in 12th place?

Would he get a bonus for a top 10 or something?

From who, his team is not paying the riders?

 

[Big Doopie]

i'm sure we will still read posts in the road racing threads: "Oooh, i wish andy were here, i wish alberto were here, ooh frank schleck could destroy these riders if he were "on form", and how exciting it would be if only these riders were at the tour flying up the mountains."

the answer is: "we have no idea how good these riders really are."

look at menchov, at basso, at valverde, at cobo, at vino, at liepheimer, at...on and on. these guys are no longer the same. nor was schlecklet this year, nor -- apparently -- his brother.

how can anyone want these people back so desperately, since -- clean -- they may just be pack fodder and the real champions are riders we don't know, or are just now being able to come to the for.

i freakin' hate the schlecks and contador (and of course the sociopath), because they have ruined the fun of following the sport since we cannot know the true heirarchy.