Frank schleck

[sniper]

I just don't get why Frank Schleck would use a banned substance now.

He has no chance for a podium spot and the team competition isn't worth doping over.

Sure, he was strongly suspicious during the Fuentes doping era but just look at all the big names who were doping and how many cyclists actually rode clean during that time. Not condoning him just saying how the sport was at that time.

So, Frank was indeed "poisoned" or just incredibly stupid. If the latter, then I hope he will rightly punished for it even if I am a bit of a Schlecks fan.

I assume we have no idea how much basic doping cyclists use these days, i.e. how much they take to simply get over the mountains.

he was 12 in the classification. That's still a world class performance.

then again, poster 131313 and several others have proposed a possible set up. Why not? As you also suggest, there seems to have been very little incentive for Schleck to dope up heavy duty in this tour, and his results indeed suggest he wasn't doped up heavy duty.

 

[Forunculo]

C'mon guys, a chance of sabotage from Bruyneel/Becca is there

 

[iZnoGouD]

**** Bruyneel

 

[Izzy eviel]

How long would his ban be? The full two years? The Cricketer Shane Warne tested postive for a diuretic and was banned for a year. That was 2003 IRC.

 

[neineinei]

I just don't get why Frank Schleck would use a banned substance now.

He has no chance for a podium spot and the team competition isn't worth doping over.

Sure, he was strongly suspicious during the Fuentes doping era but just look at all the big names who were doping and how many cyclists actually rode clean during that time. Not condoning him just saying how the sport was at that time.

So, Frank was indeed "poisoned" or just incredibly stupid. If the latter, then I hope he will rightly punished for it even if I am a bit of a Schlecks fan.

Another possible explanation is that he has been doing this all the time, micro dosing and masking, and for some reason this time something didn't work out as planned.

 

[Grand Tourist]

I just don't get why Frank Schleck would use a banned substance now.

He has no chance for a podium spot and the team competition isn't worth doping over.

Sure, he was strongly suspicious during the Fuentes doping era but just look at all the big names who were doping and how many cyclists actually rode clean during that time. Not condoning him just saying how the sport was at that time.

So, Frank was indeed "poisoned" or just incredibly stupid. If the latter, then I hope he will rightly punished for it even if I am a bit of a Schlecks fan.

Radioshack are going down the toilet. He'll be looking for a new contract next season. He's the wrong side of 30. A 'good' showing in the Pyrenees would certainly help with that.

 

[No_Balls]

the broader definition of "poisoned" includes "contaminated foodsupplement", I assume

True that.

 

[HL2037]

Chef Duffy in the meat locker with the lamb shank?

Pat mcQuaid on the phone with the lab?

 

[Scatto]

I'm 100% sure Fränk Schleck doped, because of the transfer of money to Fuentes. That leaves two options in case the B-sample turns out positive too:

1. He doped again. It is not because it is easy to find the product that it is searched for in each test. With reverse psychology it may even be a good bet to use common masking agents (which are still slightly different from the listed). He can admit and enjoy the countryside in Luxembourg.

2. He did not dope knowingly with xipamide but was poisoned indeed. This is very likely too and it's all his fault. If you deal with crooks, you're a crook too and you'll be sacked if you're disloyal to the gang. He should ask Peter Sagan for a good 1972 movie on this topic. However, there's a brilliant thing to do. As he's going to be sentenced anyway, he can commit past doping violations, saying what he'll get is what he deserved all the time, but state clearly that he did not know of xipamide and he can only guess it's a conspiracy of people that do not want to pay his wage.

 

[Cavalier]

Radioshack are going down the toilet. He'll be looking for a new contract next season. He's the wrong side of 30. A 'good' showing in the Pyrenees would certainly help with that.

Anyone signing him would also be signing Andy, so I don't think, considering everything that's gone on in that team (and his own injury), anyone would be shouting him down for only achieving 12th place and not offering him a deal as a result.

 

[Chris85]

I hope Sky is not the only team that features in the 2013 tour of France. The UCI needs to fix their sport. Two year bans is not enough. We need 5 year bans at least. Next year we have Contador and Pellizotti to come back from two years bans. The sport is close to &(#$ed

Director General of the WADA, David Howman:
"Currently athletes give one urine sample which is divided into two containers, the A and B samples. If the first, or A sample, is positive, the B sample can be tested to confirm the results.
Howman said that the B sample contradicts the A sample “almost zero” percent of the time, indicating that that may be due either a disintegration of the sample, or because of manipulation."
“Some athletes are putting stuff into their urine to degrade the sample,” he said, for example drinking up to two litres of water before giving the sample. “Sample dilution is one of the best ways for athletes to manipulate a test.”

Sometimes I hate cycling.

 

[SantiBotero]

Radioshack are going down the toilet. He'll be looking for a new contract next season. He's the wrong side of 30. A 'good' showing in the Pyrenees would certainly help with that.

If there are 5-10 riders in the peloton without problems to find a team and get a good contract, Frank is one of them.

 

[Grand Tourist]

If there are 5-10 riders in the peloton without problems to find a team and get a good contract, Frank is one of them.

Was one of them

 

[L'arriviste]

I hope Sky is not the only team that features in the 2013 tour of France. The UCI needs to fix their sport. Two year bans is not enough. We need 5 year bans at least. Next year we have Contador and Pellizotti to come back from two years bans. The sport is close to &(#$ed

Pellizotti is already back. And he is the new Italian National Champion. &(#$ed doesn't begin to describe that.

 

[enCYCLOpedia]

I thought of that too! it was a long night, and I was doped up on espresso...

My guess is that if they did something like that, they'd be too worried he'd go completely off the reservation. This way, he can plead plausible deniability.

I don't see how that makes a difference. EPO is injected, so it's hard to claim you were set up (unless you want to say that you had a "clean" injection, and someone spiked it with EPO). With Testosterone, the defense "why would I do this for a 12th place?" is just as valid or invalid as it is now.

I fear this could be another long case of Dieter Baumann. And though I don't believe Frank is innocent in the Fuentes case, I must admit that riders are unable to prevent poisoning, if someone on their own team wants them ill. If that's what he claims, he could add a lot of weight to the argument by reveiling systematic doping on the team. However, that would of course implicate him as well, so it's a catch-22.

 

[Frosty]

First off, i am NOT suggesting that what i am about to say is what happened here at all. However, on the wider subject of drink spiking, i had always read that riders wouldnt accept drinks from the crowd in case there was anything dodgy in them, whether intended or not.

I was therefore quite surprised when i went to the Morzine-Avoriaz stage a few years ago and quite a number of cyclists accepted drinks from the crowd at about 4km to the finish. Admittedly these were mostly guys coming through between 20th and 50th who probably wouldnt be tested anyway but it was a surprise to me.

 

[HL2037]

I like your thoughts but I just don't see why Schleck is the fall guy under your scenerio. If some group (UCI/RS/OMERTA) was worried about someone rocking the boat then it wouldn't be Schleck but rather one of the poster boys that are testifying against Armstrong. You would have to be one vindictive SOB to wreck someone over a few missed payments, pretty minor/petty things in the grand scheme. It seems like every year some team gets in a minor feud with one of it's own riders.

But it will really be interesting to see how this plays out

This is not about the Armstrong/USADA-boat. This is about the UCI bank guarantee boat. McQuaid is sending out a message to all riders.

 

[Apollonius]

Frank has almost certainly doped in the past but I highly doubt he knowingly ingested a diuretic to mask/cleanse here. I'd say he was set up but as I said he's doped in the past and wasn't caught so karma? Perhaps.

 

[iZnoGouD]

so when will karma strike Bruyneel?

 

[doperhopper]

"On my life and family, I'm sure he didn't take anything"

4chan style comment: in soviet Russia the dope takes YOU!

 

[LaFlorecita]

I hope Sky is not the only team that features in the 2013 tour of France. The UCI needs to fix their sport. Two year bans is not enough. We need 5 year bans at least. Next year we have Contador and Pellizotti to come back from two years bans. The sport is close to &(#$ed

It's even better, Pellizotti is already back and Alberto will come back in just 18 days

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

I'm not sure that is his line. If I have food poisoning it doesn't mean someone deliberately poisoned me.

If he took a contaminated supplement he could call it "poisoning", it certainly would be an accepted termology.

That IS his line... I'm not making this up.

A statement sent by the rider to media in Luxembourg said, "If this analysis confirms the first result, a complaint will be filed against an unspecified person for poisoning."

 

[gregkeble]

Anyone know who his roommate was?

 

[hrotha]

That IS his line... I'm not making this up.

A statement sent by the rider to media in Luxembourg said, "If this analysis confirms the first result, a complaint will be filed against an unspecified person for poisoning."

The reports I've read use such awkward English I assume they aren't translations, but actual quotes. In that context, it's hard to determine what he meant. That unspecified person might be the manufacturer of whatever supplement or drink he suspects may have been tainted.

 

[FellOff]

First time for a long while since I've heard anything 'positive' about Frank....

He didn't look like he had any Xip in him.