Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[hughmoore]

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Machine Calibration Issues in 3...2...1...

How many puffs is a usual dose and how often does an asthmatic take them?

 

[brownbobby]

"WADA’s Prohibited List provides that: “The presence in urine of salbutamol in excess of 1000 ng/mL or formoterol in excess of 40 ng/mL is presumed not to be an intended therapeutic use of the substance and will be considered as an Adverse Analytical Finding (AAF) unless the Athlete proves, through a controlled pharmacokinetic study, that the abnormal result was the consequence of the use of the therapeutic dose (by inhalation) up to the maximum dose indicated above.”

So the burden of proof now lies with Froome. Of course he/Sky will come up with all kinds of theories to try and explain these results, but proving these theories for something that occured several months ago now will be nigh on impossible.

About as likely as it was that Contador would ever have been able to prove that steak was responsible for the Clenbuterol in his system.

Will be very interesting to see how this plays out now, either way it will tell us an awful lot about the system

 

[MartinGT]

Excuse my dumbness, but isnt seen as a failed test is it? Just an abnormal finding? Given the above, is it upto Froome now to tell /prove to the UCI why it was so high?

 

[Brian Butterfield]

So, if Froome is out of contention for the meantime - does that mean he can now make it along to the BBC sports personality of the year awards?

 

[TourOfSardinia]

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Kept quiet for almost 3 months too...hmmmm.

He was notified of the "adverse analytical finding" on 20 September 2017.
the BBC reports

 

[TourOfSardinia]

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So, if Froome is out of contention for the meantime - does that mean he can now make it along to the BBC sports personality of the year awards?

Still there: http://www.bbc.com/sport/sports-personality/42100015

 

[Poursuivant]

If you're taking twice as many puffs; how did they think this wouldn't happen? How did they expect to hear no more about it?

 

[Craigee]

Of course it's a failed test. Twice the allowed amount.

 

[Brian Butterfield]

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So, if Froome is out of contention for the meantime - does that mean he can now make it along to the BBC sports personality of the year awards?

Still there: http://www.bbc.com/sport/sports-personality/42100015

In that case he has no excuses.

 

[MartinGT]

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So, if Froome is out of contention for the meantime - does that mean he can now make it along to the BBC sports personality of the year awards?

Still there: http://www.bbc.com/sport/sports-personality/42100015

I think the OP was saying can he make it to the awards i.e not just thanking everyone on the big screen. I.e staying away from the event due to 'training' commitments.

 

[MartinGT]

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Kept quiet for almost 3 months too...hmmmm.

He was notified of the "adverse analytical finding" on 20 September 2017.
the BBC reports

I would say thats right. Sample A Test + so they have to wait for Sample B to confirm it.

Funny how they didnt leak the Dawgs name on a A+ before his B confirmed it like a load of other athletes though isnt it?

 

[Robert5091]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/chris-froome-returns-adverse-analytical-finding-for-salbutamol/

The test took place September 7 following stage 18 of the Vuelta

stage 18 was the day after Froome blew up on the Los Machucos
http://www.cyclingnews.com/vuelta-a-espana/stage-18/live-report/

After his problems yesterday, Froome fought back with help from Poels and Team Sky.

The ol' extra Weetabix after a bad day ...nothing new!

PS - could also explain Dawg's desire to take the 2 million Euro - game's up!

 

[brownbobby]

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If you're taking twice as many puffs; how did they think this wouldn't happen? How did they expect to hear no more about it?

You do have to wonder why, knowing with 100% certainty that he'd be tested, would they take the risk of using this in double the permitted quantity.

Its not like we're talking EPO here, salbutamol, taken purely for performance enhancing benefits is not a gamechanger that would make the difference between winning and losing the Vuelta.

Unless his asthma was genuinely becoming so bad that he risked having to withdraw from the race. In which case would he not have been allowed to apply for a TUE for the increased doseage/other medication to treat the condition?

Don't know the answers here, just curious as always....

 

[kosmonaut]

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Unless his asthma was genuinely becoming so bad that he risked having to withdraw from the race. In which case would he not have been allowed to apply for a TUE for the increased doseage/other medication to treat the condition?

Then maybe he should've stayed within the rules and done his best. Winning a grand tour is not a human right.

 

[The Hitch]

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If you're taking twice as many puffs; how did they think this wouldn't happen? How did they expect to hear no more about it?

Maybe Brailsfraud can come up with another story about how some fan threw piss at froome at the vuelta (off camera conveniently and only witnessed by Sky) and the piss was laced with sambutamol to make him test positive.

 

[Robert5091]

So how many puffs did Froome take? Anyone want to check the video of stage 18?

Edit - I see it's available as pills so ...

 

[brownbobby]

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Unless his asthma was genuinely becoming so bad that he risked having to withdraw from the race. In which case would he not have been allowed to apply for a TUE for the increased doseage/other medication to treat the condition?

Then maybe he should've stayed within the rules and done his best. Winning a grand tour is not a human right.

I dont disagree, and this kind of illustrates my point.....could he not have stayed within the rules by applying for a TUE (yes i know we can all debate about the ethics of the TUE system) rather than taking this increased doseage in the almost certain knowledge that it would show up in the test?

 

[Brian Butterfield]

"Puff the Magic Froomedawg"

 

[LosBrolin]

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If you're taking twice as many puffs; how did they think this wouldn't happen? How did they expect to hear no more about it?

Maybe Brailsfraud can come up with another story about how some fan through piss at froome at the vuelta (off camera conveniently and only witnessed by Sky) and the piss was laced with sambutamol to make him test positive.

Yeah, maybe. Question is still good tho. Same for other known cases (ulissi etc) as well.

"Damn this asthma is really getting worse, well, let's take the amount of puffs which will surely go over every limit there is and hope nothing will happen"

 

[MartinGT]

Who was the doc at the race with him? Maybe he can loose his laptop or something.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

Does this mean a donkey/racehorse won't be riding into W.Jerusalem
for the giro?

 

[kosmonaut]

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Unless his asthma was genuinely becoming so bad that he risked having to withdraw from the race. In which case would he not have been allowed to apply for a TUE for the increased doseage/other medication to treat the condition?

Then maybe he should've stayed within the rules and done his best. Winning a grand tour is not a human right.

I dont disagree, and this kind of illustrates my point.....could he not have stayed within the rules by applying for a TUE (yes i know we can all debate about the ethics of the TUE system) rather than taking this increased doseage in the almost certain knowledge that it would show up in the test?

Yes, and this will be their spin. However, I'm sure there could be many reasons we are not aware of. I simply do not believe that inhaling the allowed amount suddenly can produce a doubled effect to the body due to some random factors made up by Brailsford.

 

[Brian Butterfield]

It's a situation caused by Sky's inalienable right to win, with the emphasis on "alien".

 

[brownbobby]

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Unless his asthma was genuinely becoming so bad that he risked having to withdraw from the race. In which case would he not have been allowed to apply for a TUE for the increased doseage/other medication to treat the condition?

Then maybe he should've stayed within the rules and done his best. Winning a grand tour is not a human right.

I dont disagree, and this kind of illustrates my point.....could he not have stayed within the rules by applying for a TUE (yes i know we can all debate about the ethics of the TUE system) rather than taking this increased doseage in the almost certain knowledge that it would show up in the test?

Yes, and this will be their spin. However, I'm sure there could be many reasons we are not aware of. I simply do not believe that inhaling the allowed amount suddenly can produce a doubled effect to the body due to some random factors made up by Brailsford.

You may be right; but i'm sure there will be some very clever scientists and doctors working away right now who have been paid to disagree with you!

 

[Craigee]

We didn't see him take 32 puffs during the stage so he must've done it before the stage. No excuse for getting it wrong.