Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[veji11]

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https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/dec/14/chris-froome-team-sky-drug-test?CMP=share_btn_tw

If I may I will add a key quote from that column that is close to the heart of the problem, when are you just tired as hell or "ill" and therefore treatable ? maybe if effort asthma is a thing for 80% of the peloton it is because it is just part of the sport that at the end of a race your legs might give out, or your lungs, but both are part of the sport rather than one an "illness" :

When I was racing, I don’t think salbutamol was something that was widely used. You never saw guys puffing on inhalers in the peloton.

It wasn’t like now when you read that high percentages of elite cyclists have exercise-induced asthma. Although I’m not medically trained, I’d suggest there might be an explication for this.

When you make a massive effort your lungs often tighten up so you would often be coughing at the back end of a race. I thought it was a normal reaction of the body to limit the damage being done, maybe even a weakness which emerged after time. Apparently it’s neither nowadays.

So exercise-induced asthma was probably widespread, but once the medical staff realised that riders could be treated for it now they will tell a rider who suffers that you can manage those symptoms and there isn’t the decrease in performance there would be before. It’s maybe not quite performance enhancement, but it certainly removes a restriction or decrease that otherwise may have occurred. A grey area indeed.

 

[MartinGT]

I think a lot are surprised at how many use ventolins. But that's not in question for me. Its the amount that was in the Dawg's system that concerns me.

 

[Pantani_lives]

Froome has looked like a rider with the word "doping" tattooed on his forehead ever since he destroyed the opposition on Ax 3 Domaines in 2013. Since then the Tour de France has looked like a fake show where the winner was appointed in advance. I hope this is the end of that era and the Tour will be watchable again next year.

Whatever explanation he comes up with, I don't believe such a high level of salbutamol can come from just an inhaler. He probably uses pills or injections. The inhaler is a nice extra boost just before a MTF.

Why did it last three months until this came out? There should only be one or two weeks maximum between an A and a B test. Well, better late than never. Now we'll see where the UCI stands. There's a positive test, so it should be a simple procedure resulting into a disqualification and a ban.

 

[The Hitch]

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Well honestly that Kittel thing was outrageous and still is. You pump your blood out and put it back in and you argue it's ok ??? really ? UCI at the time lacked guts. It should have if not punished at least massively shamed the culprit saying that "while not legally punishable because unknown at the time this action is viewed as having a clear intent of boosting one's blood efficiency artificially and therefore to reaping benefits akin to those of banned doping. This type of practice will not be tolerated and should not have been tolerated, the UCI regrets not being able to punish the rider for what should have been an offence.". Boom.

You had 6 years to attack kittel for this. You are only getting the knives out now because a guy who was mean to poor froomie seems to like him.

Dude I don't give a rat's *** about Kittel, I am not "attacking him", what matters here is the Froome case. It doesn't change the fact that shaming riders and teams that abuse a system by exploiting grey areas should be seen as a legitimate action from organisers and federations, It would be a helpful tool to try and keep them in line as we all know that researd in gaming the system is always one step ahead of the rules to enforce fair and clean playing field.

On reflection, I realize I was hard on you in my post. I agree with your overall point.

Though I think the "grey areas" thing is exagerated. Its largely used as a cover for far more effective drugs that are regularly used. Sympathetic journos, still obsessed with making their beloved cycling seem clean, talk about "grey areas" these days because it makes cycling look cleaner than the "EPO days". When in fact the EPO days still exist.

 

[veji11]

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On reflection, I realize I was hard on you in my post. I agree with your overall point.

Though I think the "grey areas" thing is exagerated. Its largely used as a cover for far more effective drugs that are regularly used. Sympathetic journos, still obsessed with making their beloved cycling seem clean, talk about "grey areas" these days because it makes cycling look cleaner than the "EPO days". When in fact the EPO days still exist.

Fair sport, we are all a bit tense with what is happening !

 

[DanielSong39]

Dude got caught, there isn't much more to say.

 

[jilbiker]

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KaFoome! or maybe just a firecracker (with all the lawyers and medics hired to obfuscate reality). Either way Skyfraud is exposed.

Then the real deal with salbutamol: if you take it orally or intravenously while taking EPO or its latest (undetectable) derivatives, then the O2 vector, performance enhancing effects are multiplied. Case closed. Plus in large doses salbutamol has fat burning, muscle toning effects. Case closed again. I have always said Froome is a freak product of the Sky laboratory.

There is no doubt that the amount that was detected was Not taken via puffs/Inhaler, anyone who believes that must be on fantasy Island. The question is when he injected or tableted or whatever non-inhaler way. What it the night before or months back and got it via a BB the night before? I am thinking the later because he may have been in panic mode after losing time to Nibs and like FLandis the night before his famous lone ranger ride decided to take a can of beans for super power. A miscalculation, it happens, Landis, AC (ClenB) etc.

 

[bambino]

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KaFoome! or maybe just a firecracker (with all the lawyers and medics hired to obfuscate reality). Either way Skyfraud is exposed.

Then the real deal with salbutamol: if you take it orally or intravenously while taking EPO or its latest (undetectable) derivatives, then the O2 vector, performance enhancing effects are multiplied. Case closed. Plus in large doses salbutamol has fat burning, muscle toning effects. Case closed again. I have always said Froome is a freak product of the Sky laboratory.

There is no doubt that the amount that was detected was Not taken via puffs/Inhaler, anyone who believes that must be on fantasy Island. The question is when he injected or tableted or whatever non-inhaler way. What it the night before or months back and got it via a BB the night before? I am thinking the later because he may have been in panic mode after losing time to Nibs and like FLandis the night before his famous lone ranger ride decided to take a can of beans for super power. A miscalculation, it happens, Landis, AC (ClenB) etc.

Something like this.

He might've even taken BB on the night after the TT (stage 16) as he was exhausted after the effort in TT (as he said himself I think) and it was far from convincing given past history in TT's. Maybe the BB (or whatever he took) didn't respond as well as they expected in Stage 17 - due to weather maybe, we know Froome doesn't like cold and there are researches blood vessels works faster in warm weather - and they got panicked. The decision then to take oral (or Nebuliser) Salbutamol to speed up the effectiveness of blood transfusion with the slight risk it might still have traces 24 ish after in the Stage 18 test, but hey the guys has asthma .

 

[The Hitch]

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On reflection, I realize I was hard on you in my post. I agree with your overall point.

Though I think the "grey areas" thing is exagerated. Its largely used as a cover for far more effective drugs that are regularly used. Sympathetic journos, still obsessed with making their beloved cycling seem clean, talk about "grey areas" these days because it makes cycling look cleaner than the "EPO days". When in fact the EPO days still exist.

Fair sport, we are all a bit tense with what is happening !

Oh not me. Im happy with the news and am unashamadely on full froome apologist patrol. Got carried away in that one post but after 6 years of obfuscation, trolling, personal insults, gloating occasional threats etc the tables have turned and those who lied on behalf of the fraud for so long and continue to do so, will know, we wont let them get away with it now that they weep for their hero, anymore than we let them do it before.

 

[Electress]

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Brent Copland's interview in today's la Gazzetta dello Sport exemplifies why Sky fails every credibility test. "Why hasn't team Sky suspended Froome?" he asks."Honestly it doesn't surprise me. I want to start by saying, however, that my words aren't an attack against Sky,or even Froome. I'm just reflecting aloud in the interest of cycling." The reason is this: "The news was communicated on 20 September and the majority of teams have an internal ethical conduct code that provides for a rider's suspension, until the affair has been resolved. This means us too (Bahrain-Merida), obviously. And if this would have happened to any of our riders, from Nibali to Feng, we would have suspended him. This sort of thing can happen to any team. And Sky has always proclaimed to have zero tolerance." Now another question: "The other day the UCI made known the list of World Tour teams and, from the tenor of the communication, one understood that Sky was not called in to clarify its position following Froome's situation before the licencing board. Why not? Usually, for administrative, financial and naturally ethical concerns, this is always the case. Yet this time, no. How come?"

It is also rich how Nibali responded to a question about the perception of Sky in the peleton in a separate interview.

GdS: "But is it true that in the gruppo there is a diffused sentiment of dislike/envy towards the British team?"

VN: "No. It's their behavior that can be a bit annoying. A bit...haughty. We are strong, the others are nobody. Can this be said? One perceives this, but then maybe if I outright say so oh the drama and headlines."

No surprise - except perhaps the timing. Nice little present from Santa for me. And though it's 'only' an AAF, it's usually the little, overlooked things rather than the big stuff people are worried about, like EPO or whatever, that'll catch people out, so that's no surprise either.

It seems, too, that it isn't only the 'pushing the envelope' that is coming home to roost. Sky have had an ugly 'flashing the cash' attitude with their RVs and Formula One 'box' things, so it's no surprise to read Nibs comments (and Tony M's) and find that they don't appear to have won many friends. Hubris. I can't say I'm not enjoying it. I'm delighted. I'll be even more delighted if the snake Brailsford has his comeuppance, because I've always found the management more intolerable than the actual riders, even if I do not like Froome.

Best of all though - the nauseating, fawning articles and triumphalism may be coming to an end, or at least tempered. Has Walsh published anything as yet?

The TdF in particular has been nigh on unwatchable in recent years. I had already decided I couldn't stomach watching GTs this year...hopefully, this might make that a bit more palatable even if only coz the Kirby-gasms and the like will have to be more muted.

Ho ho ho and all that.

 

[brownbobby]

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KaFoome! or maybe just a firecracker (with all the lawyers and medics hired to obfuscate reality). Either way Skyfraud is exposed.

Then the real deal with salbutamol: if you take it orally or intravenously while taking EPO or its latest (undetectable) derivatives, then the O2 vector, performance enhancing effects are multiplied. Case closed. Plus in large doses salbutamol has fat burning, muscle toning effects. Case closed again. I have always said Froome is a freak product of the Sky laboratory.

There is no doubt that the amount that was detected was Not taken via puffs/Inhaler, anyone who believes that must be on fantasy Island. The question is when he injected or tableted or whatever non-inhaler way. What it the night before or months back and got it via a BB the night before? I am thinking the later because he may have been in panic mode after losing time to Nibs and like FLandis the night before his famous lone ranger ride decided to take a can of beans for super power. A miscalculation, it happens, Landis, AC (ClenB) etc.

Something like this.

He might've even taken BB on the night after the TT (stage 16) as he was exhausted after the effort in TT (as he said himself I think) and it was far from convincing given past history in TT's. Maybe the BB (or whatever he took) didn't respond as well as they expected in Stage 17 - due to weather maybe, we know Froome doesn't like cold and there are researches blood vessels works faster in warm weather - and they got panicked. The decision then to take oral (or Nebuliser) Salbutamol to speed up the effectiveness of blood transfusion with the slight risk it might still have traces 24 ish after in the Stage 18 test, but hey the guys has asthma .

Dot to dot to dot. Can you guess what it is yet

 

[veji11]

You might be happily tense, but you sounded a bit tense in that post !

 

[Catwhoorg]

Nice choice of lawyer...

 

[Robert5091]

http://www.bbc.com/sport/cycling/42363825

The wife of five-time Olympic champion Sir Bradley Wiggins has apologised for describing Chris Froome as a 'slithering reptile' on social media.

:lol: Where's the popcorn ...

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

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Nice choice of lawyer...

Haha, damn.

"Chris Froome hires former Bruyneel and Contador lawyer for salbutamol case

Mike Morgan's previous clients include Deignan, Henao, and Sharapova"


*dead*

http://www.bbc.com/sport/cycling/42363825

The wife of five-time Olympic champion Sir Bradley Wiggins has apologised for describing Chris Froome as a 'slithering reptile' on social media.

:lol: Where's the popcorn ...

Ha, this is already entertaining as all hell.

 

[Red Rick]

Re: Re:

Nice choice of lawyer...

Haha, damn.

"Chris Froome hires former Bruyneel and Contador lawyer for salbutamol case

Mike Morgan's previous clients include Deignan, Henao, and Sharapova"


*dead*

http://www.bbc.com/sport/cycling/42363825

The wife of five-time Olympic champion Sir Bradley Wiggins has apologised for describing Chris Froome as a 'slithering reptile' on social media.

:lol: Where's the popcorn ...

Ha, this is already entertaining as all hell.

Odds of Froome arguing it was a steak, or is that chance about cero cero cero cero....

 

[bigcog]

Re: Re:

Nice choice of lawyer...

Haha, damn.

"Chris Froome hires former Bruyneel and Contador lawyer for salbutamol case

Mike Morgan's previous clients include Deignan, Henao, and Sharapova"


*dead*

http://www.bbc.com/sport/cycling/42363825

The wife of five-time Olympic champion Sir Bradley Wiggins has apologised for describing Chris Froome as a 'slithering reptile' on social media.

:lol: Where's the popcorn ...

Ha, this is already entertaining as all hell.

Odds of Froome arguing it was a steak, or is that chance about cero cero cero cero....

If that's the case he is toast ... must have already tried to do a test and failed to show required results to prove his case or knows it won't as puffing too much on his Ventolin isn't the cause of AAF ...

 

[brownbobby]

Re: Re:

Nice choice of lawyer...

Haha, damn.



"Chris Froome hires former Bruyneel and Contador lawyer for salbutamol case

Mike Morgan's previous clients include Deignan, Henao, and Sharapova"


*dead*

http://www.bbc.com/sport/cycling/42363825

The wife of five-time Olympic champion Sir Bradley Wiggins has apologised for describing Chris Froome as a 'slithering reptile' on social media.

:lol: Where's the popcorn ...

Ha, this is already entertaining as all hell.

Odds of Froome arguing it was a steak, or is that chance about cero cero cero cero....

Hope that lawyers cheap. From what I can see there that guys success rate is less than 50%.

Froome must already be turning his thoughts towards making sure his career earnings to date last as long as possible

 

[MartinGT]

Re: Re:

Nice choice of lawyer...

Haha, damn.



"Chris Froome hires former Bruyneel and Contador lawyer for salbutamol case

Mike Morgan's previous clients include Deignan, Henao, and Sharapova"


*dead*

http://www.bbc.com/sport/cycling/42363825

The wife of five-time Olympic champion Sir Bradley Wiggins has apologised for describing Chris Froome as a 'slithering reptile' on social media.

:lol: Where's the popcorn ...

Ha, this is already entertaining as all hell.

Odds of Froome arguing it was a steak, or is that chance about cero cero cero cero....

Hope that lawyers cheap. From what I can see there that guys success rate is less than 50%.

Froome must already be turning his thoughts towards making sure his career earnings to date last as long as possible

It depends on what you call success. If he gets him a shorter ban then its a win for him.

 

[brownbobby]

Re: Re:

"Chris Froome hires former Bruyneel and Contador lawyer for salbutamol case

Mike Morgan's previous clients include Deignan, Henao, and Sharapova"


*dead*

http://www.bbc.com/sport/cycling/42363825

The wife of five-time Olympic champion Sir Bradley Wiggins has apologised for describing Chris Froome as a 'slithering reptile' on social media.

:lol: Where's the popcorn ...

Ha, this is already entertaining as all hell.[/quote]
Odds of Froome arguing it was a steak, or is that chance about cero cero cero cero....[/quote]


Hope that lawyers cheap. From what I can see there that guys success rate is less than 50%.

Froome must already be turning his thoughts towards making sure his career earnings to date last as long as possible[/quote]

It depends on what you call success. If he gets him a shorter ban then its a win for him.[/quote]

Hmmm fair point. But I'm not so sure, you'd think Froome is desperate to wipe this stain from the record completely. Of course that's not going to ever happen in the eyes of many people. But there's still lots of people for whom it may, but any kind of sanction/suspension stays on the record forever.

You may be right though, Froome may know already that not guilty isn't an option, so it's now about damage limitation.

 

[Wiggo's Package]

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McQuaid wades in:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/42367974

'McQuaid believes Cookson would "absolutely" have been told of the case. "If a result comes through from the laboratory that a big, big rider has provided an adverse analytical sample then the president is involved, so he would have been aware," said McQuaid.

Last week Cookson praised Team Sky, telling the BBC it should have its reputation "reinstated" following a series of recent controversies. "It really surprises me to see what Brian said about Sky getting their credibility back when all the time he knew that this thing was going on in the background," said McQuaid. "How Brian, knowing all of those facts, could turn around and say, 'you need to hand their credibility back to Team Sky', I just don't understand it, it's beyond me."

When asked by BBC Sport if he was made aware of Froome's adverse test while he was UCI president, Cookson denied he had any "role or influence" in the case.'

 

[Tonton]

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Obviously the filthy frogs are trying to tarnish British sport by framing their greatest ever athlete, just had to wait until they could cout de tate Sir Bryan and replace him with their puppet. It was only a marginal indiscretion though, not really worth worrying about. Tranquilo.

They did the same thing with Lance and the chamois cream in '99 on his comeback. Mountain out of a molehill, Lance had a saddle sore. They have history.

I'm sure Sir Dave and Michelle will show them up with perfectly sensible level headed explanations

Yeah, blame the French...

Worst post of the day.

 

[brownbobby]

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McQuaid wades in:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/42367974

'McQuaid believes Cookson would "absolutely" have been told of the case. "If a result comes through from the laboratory that a big, big rider has provided an adverse analytical sample then the president is involved, so he would have been aware," said McQuaid.

Last week Cookson praised Team Sky, telling the BBC it should have its reputation "reinstated" following a series of recent controversies. "It really surprises me to see what Brian said about Sky getting their credibility back when all the time he knew that this thing was going on in the background," said McQuaid. "How Brian, knowing all of those facts, could turn around and say, 'you need to hand their credibility back to Team Sky', I just don't understand it, it's beyond me."

When asked by BBC Sport if he was made aware of Froome's adverse test while he was UCI president, Cookson denied he had any "role or influence" in the case.'

Classic politician tactic, avoiding a question by answering one he wasn't asked

 

[Tonton]

Re: Re:

Nice choice of lawyer...

Haha, damn.

"Chris Froome hires former Bruyneel and Contador lawyer for salbutamol case

Mike Morgan's previous clients include Deignan, Henao, and Sharapova"


*dead*

http://www.bbc.com/sport/cycling/42363825

The wife of five-time Olympic champion Sir Bradley Wiggins has apologised for describing Chris Froome as a 'slithering reptile' on social media.

:lol: Where's the popcorn ...

Ha, this is already entertaining as all hell.

Odds of Froome arguing it was a steak, or is that chance about cero cero cero cero....

...a big mistake would be to blame the chorizo. The Spanish public would never forgive him.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

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McQuaid wades in:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/42367974

'McQuaid believes Cookson would "absolutely" have been told of the case. "If a result comes through from the laboratory that a big, big rider has provided an adverse analytical sample then the president is involved, so he would have been aware," said McQuaid.

Last week Cookson praised Team Sky, telling the BBC it should have its reputation "reinstated" following a series of recent controversies. "It really surprises me to see what Brian said about Sky getting their credibility back when all the time he knew that this thing was going on in the background," said McQuaid. "How Brian, knowing all of those facts, could turn around and say, 'you need to hand their credibility back to Team Sky', I just don't understand it, it's beyond me."

Pat getting the knife in
nicely