Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[LaFlorecita]

Prove me otherwise

As for Froome, last night's performance epitomized a TDF winner.

And a doper.

 

[Cerberus]

And a doper.

Well Darwin did say his performance epitomized a Tour winner, you don't need to beat his point into the ground.

 

[LaFlorecita]

??????

WTFFF?

Please review how quickly Froome climbed the other day. Wasn't that in a certain, ahem, elite company?

@ammattipyoraily:
#TDF '13, Ax-3-D. (last 4.1km, 8.17%): Froome 11:20, 6.30 W/kg [DrF]

#TDF '09, Verbier (last 4.1km, 7.76%): Contador 10:50, 6.34 W/kg [DrF]

PS the last 4.1km for Froome isn't actually the last 4.1 km but from 50m after start to 3.75km to go

 

[zastomito]

I am not saying Froome is clean.

That is exactly what you are saying.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

According to Tom Steels the wind in the last section towards Mont Saint Michel picked up in the late afternoon:
http://www.sporza.be/cm/sporza/wielrennen/Tour/130710_Rit_11_reactie_Martin_DeGendt

Steels: "Headwind in final stretch decisive"
Tom Steels, team manager Martin at Omega Pharma-Quick Step, was surprised by the performance of Froome. "Hats off to him that he could stay near Martin"

"Froome lost time in the third part. I think the wind at the end made ​​the difference. This afternoon there was a bit more wind as to when Toni was riding."

So Toni der Panzerwagen should be thankfull to the weathergods for his win. That makes perfect sense when you take a look at their previous TT duels. Toni was almost crying when he saw the split times, good stuff. Toni der Reißenwagen.

Best climber, best TT'er. Yep.

Good thing Twentieth Century Fox is involved in pro cycling these days.

 

[Bexon30]

There you go you got there in the end

There is no point having discussions on this part of the forum as everyones mind is made up and all that is left are pointless jibes

Again you know everyone's minds are made up. So your not as dumb as you portray. Seen as you like to talk. What Leon will your boy Froome do up MV this weekend?, will he win the stage smashing everyone to bits. Or will he crumble. Or maybe, just do enough.
Scratch your head think a little and see if you can come up with a answer. Come on Leon I'm rooting for you...

 

[mrhender]

Hmm

Fair enough, but I don't think I've ever seen a top cyclist put out the ideal response.

Rasmussen in danish newspaper this morning:

"He (Froome) has had a remarkable short carreer on highest level, it looks ugly"

Well does it take one to know one???

 

[Cimber]

Rasmussen in danish newspaper this morning:

"He (Froome) has had a remarkable short carreer on highest level, it looks ugly"

Well does it take one to know one???

Actually I reckon a doper is more likely to be able to pick out another dopen, than a clean dude is.

 

[whittashau]

I should be looking forward to the stage starting in a few hours, but instead the only thing that interests me is the possibility of Froome being busted.

 

[roundabout]

@ammattipyoraily:
#TDF '13, Ax-3-D. (last 4.1km, 8.17%): Froome 11:20, 6.30 W/kg [DrF]

#TDF '09, Verbier (last 4.1km, 7.76%): Contador 10:50, 6.34 W/kg [DrF]

PS the last 4.1km for Froome isn't actually the last 4.1 km but from 50m after start to 3.75km to go

where he was drafting behind Kennaugh and Porte for about half of the time?

okay then.

 

[No_Balls]

That is exactly what you are saying.

One must love how the Skyborgs dismiss science in their holy crusade. They´ve probably has reached the point where they would dismiss Mr. Froome himself if he ended up saying he injected and published pictures and results of it.

 

[sniper]

Actually I reckon a doper is more likely to be able to pick out another dopen, than a clean dude is.

indeed, which is why it'd be nice to hear lance's view on froome...

as for rasmussen, his rise to the top was actually quite gradual, wasn't it?
goes to show: while an abrupt improvement like froome's is an obvious doping indicator, a more gradual improvement does not indicate cleanliness.

 

[Ferminal]

Rasmussen in danish newspaper this morning:

"He (Froome) has had a remarkable short carreer on highest level, it looks ugly"

Well does it take one to know one???

Not bad if it was Alex

 

[Almeisan]

One must love how the Skyborgs dismiss science in their holy crusade. They´ve probably has reached the point where they would dismiss Mr. Froome himself if he ended up saying he injected and published pictures and results of it.

Denial is so strong. Even people that were tricked can't accept it. Indeed, if Froome himself wanted to convince all the believers, some of them would not be convinced. Tons of research on it. If people believe a lie they will continue believing it even after it has been revealed to them that it was indeed a lie by the liar himself.

 

[No_Balls]

I think this is an Occam's Razor kind of situation where Froome's performances are clearly doped up but the public, for whatever reason, wants to believe it is clean.

It has reached the point where it is not so much Froome as it is Sky and Britain. Their code of honour is at stake. The script is all out where the good ol lads has risen to the top thanks to the ever so hard working McQuaid to get rid of the doping problem. The propaganda machine is in full swing about the holy clean crusade. The sport had problem, but the anglosaxons did it, and finally they are allowed to show the world how good them are when everyone is supposed to be clean. This is a patriotic Cinderella-story and the next chapter in cycling (with the possibility of a Bilharzia twist) after the boy who survived cancer and became a GT-rider.

Jingoistic people needs miracles they can believe in.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

I think this is an Occam's Razor kind of situation where Froome's performances are clearly doped up but the public, for whatever reason, wants to believe it is clean.

Froome has pretty much raised all red flags and Brailsford sounds like a Bruyneel 2.0 with his BS rationalizations. Why are there still individuals, media and pros alike, still defending him? With so many red flags, Froome does not deserve the benefit of the doubt anymore.

The so called Journalists are all part of the commercial side of the sport. Their employers have paid to get access to the race (TV rights etc) over a period (multi year contracts). Nobody in their right mind would kill off their own investment and therefore everybody plays along. Sure we have a bit of doping discussion in separate segments along the way to keep things a bit neutral, but the core messages are: Natural talent, works harder, better technology, more money and parasites.

Only difference between now and earlier is that many fans are not buying it.

They strongly believe Froome is a hardcore doper.

I'm calling on Kittel, Martin and Greipel to question Froome's performance if they want real change rather than just cheap PR.

 

[roundabout]

indeed, which is why it'd be nice to hear lance's view on froome...

as for rasmussen, his rise to the top was actually quite gradual, wasn't it?
goes to show: while an abrupt improvement like froome's is an obvious doping indicator, a more gradual improvement does not indicate cleanliness.

he wasn't flying immediately, but who was then

would have won Burgos overall with a better team though

http://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=9013

And probably a few 1-day races in Italy if he could sprint

Was one of the best climbers in the uberdoped 2003 Vuelta as a second year pro

 

[Northern Monkey]

There is not enough data from this tour to qualify either Martin or Froome are doping.

I have an issue with this, as it seems to imply that there was little suspicion on Froome prior to the Tour this year, and the performances we are seeing from him are in line with a rider consistently present at the top of the GC in major World Tour stage races over several years, and that his prior performance level was in fact, 'normal'. However, it is precisely the fact that Froome burst onto the scene so spectacularly at the 2011 Vuelta, and his subsequent level of performance, that has generated so much of the scepticism towards his credentials as a 'clean' rider.

This line that you cannot judge Froome's performance based upon 3 stages of one race, repeated here, on Twitter and from members of the mainstream media, is completely ignorant of the implausible transformation he underwent in 2011 and the subsequent level of performance that he and Sky have been producing, with a particular step up this season.

 

[No_Balls]

indeed, which is why it'd be nice to hear lance's view on froome...

as for rasmussen, his rise to the top was actually quite gradual, wasn't it?
goes to show: while an abrupt improvement like froome's is an obvious doping indicator, a more gradual improvement does not indicate cleanliness.

It would be nice to hear anything from anyone about Froome and not just Millar insisting on Froomes cleanliness. Sometimes silence is very talkative.

This is all so surrealistic. Everyone knows and yet its happening.

 

[Cycle Chic]

**** the hypocrisy ‏@Digger_forum25m

Michelle Cound releases details of Froome's power files yesterday...and if i am mistaking, please correct me, but it's from two years ago!!!

 

[ebandit]

fans like us

I should be looking forward to the stage starting in a few hours, but instead the only thing that interests me is the possibility of Froome being busted.

i'm not really a team sky fan..................further 'incredulous' performances
by froomey will be cheered on knowing that i will be entertained by clinic
threads bursting with activity

every time i log on my computer i'm straight to cyclingnews sure that there
will be a banner headline........................froome busted

how can all you guys continually be disapointed denied such revelation

and the prr section would be 'over the moon' with a race to continue enjoying

Mark L

 

[The Hitch]

I think this is an Occam's Razor kind of situation where Froome's performances are clearly doped up but the public, for whatever reason, wants to believe it is clean.

Froome has pretty much raised all red flags and Brailsford sounds like a Bruyneel 2.0 with his BS rationalizations. Why are there still individuals, media and pros alike, still defending him? With so many red flags, Froome does not deserve the benefit of the doubt anymore.

The media make as much profit out of doping as the riders, if not more.

I was furious to see in some article in some mainstream paper they go - " a sign that cycling is clean now is the fact that those paid to be sceptical also believe" followed by some rent a journo saying that the times are slower and the riders say they are clean so it must be clean.

 

[Cycle Chic]

Froome nitemare

So - why aren't Sky pegging him back ? this is perplexing.

Brailsford and his PR guys CANNOT be this stupid....its a PR nitemare ! so why isn't Froome complying with the Sky PR ?? Porte is towing the line...why isn't Froome ?

And now they've extended his contract to 2016. Froome's pulling the strings here....not Brailsford.....imagine if Froome did a Bernhard Kohl and blabbed all he knew....now that's dynamite.

 

[mrhender]

Actually I reckon a doper is more likely to be able to pick out another dopen, than a clean dude is.

Mr rasmussen may be the biggest "talker" in the sport we will come to know..
He is the only one caught yet, that is totally cooperating with anti doping authorities. He is giving all the details and all the names.. (we have to wait a while for consequenses, but they will come)

And in the same time he has stated that he really beleives the peleton is much more clean today than few years back... Why would he say that if there isn't some truth in it?

Therefore when he singles out Froomes performances as "ugly" (he should know what he is talking about) Then it does look ugly for Froome i think.

 

[Benotti69]

Mr rasmussen may be the biggest "talker" in the sport we will come to know..
He is the only one caught yet, that is totally cooperating with anti doping authorities. He is giving all the details and all the names.. (we have to wait a while for consequenses, but they will come)

And in the same time he has stated that he really beleives the peleton is much more clean today than few years back... Why would he say that if there isn't some truth in it?

Therefore when he singles out Froomes performances as "ugly" (he should know what he is talking about) Then it does look ugly for Froome i think.

Ramussen wants to remain in the sport with his team Cristina Watches.

He is also correct to point to the peloton being cleanER than his era when it was a balls out epo era.