Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[buckle]

Correct. It's like picking out the guy coming 87th and giving him a jet pack.

Sure he can smash everyone on the final climb and win the ITT. But anything else he has no idea.

Porte doesn't help. Can he read & write? Spell his own name?

Richie's actual name is Porter so I guess the answer to your question is no.

 

[User Guide]

Dave Not Brailsford ‏@****ingSirDave50m

Since @****ingFroome didn’t lose much time on a stage like today, I’m thinking of sending a few more riders home. Thinking of the budget...

NOT Chris Froome ‏@****ingFroome2h

@****ingSirDave remind me why you didn't want to bring the Colombians again?

Dave Not Brailsford ‏@****ingSirDave56m

@****ingFroome Because they were part of a losing squad with @NOTSirWiggo. And they are not British. Never question me again lad.

You maybe the queen of the conspiracy nuts but you do find some funny **** in the twitterverse

 

[thehog]

I feel sorry for the Dawg. Nico Verhoeven the belkin ds said that he was asking every random rider if they could help in the chase.

I feel sorry for the Fawg as well.

He thought it required was power.

One week. Smash it. Why is everyone riding so hard at the Tour?

Should have picked a more experienced team.

Why did they let head doper and road captain go? Rodgers.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

I think most people watching today were waiting for this or were not surprised that Sky failed at the tactics. That Froome was not sitting on the wheel of Contador after Piti got dropped showed how easy it was.

In the US we call it an ambulance chaser.

Private health insurance pays well. Chase it. Sick people withstanding. They are a commodity.

Lets stay focussed, the topic is Christoffer the Great, not bashing Andy Coggan, je vous merci.

Froome must be akin for the Ventoux stage. He will not have help of his teammates though. Saxo have upped the game.

 

[Cycle Chic]

I feel sorry for the Dawg. Nico Verhoeven the belkin ds said that he was asking every random rider if they could help in the chase.

ahhh bless him.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

This isn't 'like' what's happened. This is what's happened, although it wasn't a jet pack they gave him.

The question now is whether it is just Froome or whether Porte and Wiggins are juiced as well. I don't regard it as case closed on the other Sky riders (yet).

You can make arguments for Wiggins being clean, although it is starting to look very dubious indeed. I think he has the most Olympic medals of any British athlete, starting at a very early age (contrast Froome who did zero for the whole first half of his career). I know the value of numerous track medals is disputed but it is not nothing and it's stupid to pretend that it's nothing. And his cycling is vaguely normal in the sense that he has his specialty, TT'ing, but is capable of being dropped on the climbs. Froome on the other hand will be dropping some Colombian midget super-climber on a climb, and then the next day out-TT ing a German TT specialist with legs like tree trunks. It's not normal and I can't think of any arguments at all to defend him.

Quoted so people can read this one again.

I read Tony Martin is going to try for GC next year. Lets see how that will work. TT god to climber.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Key quote. You cannot plan for it.

Sky dopers take note. Lance still had tactics.

Contador too. I respect him for giving the okay. Seriously. That was a huge risk with Ventoux coming Sunday.

I am very conflicted about watching Sunday. It could be the dirtiest full-alien performance since the TT.

 

[sniper]

Froome must be akin for the Ventoux stage. He will not have help of his teammates though. Saxo have upped the game.

very possible.
Riis arrived a bit late, but perhaps with some envelopes for the right people.

 

[thehog]

very possible.
Riis arrived a bit late, but perhaps with some envelopes for the right people.

Riis. Never mind his 60 %. He has become much methodical.

He appears to be the anti-full ***.

Doped. But tactical.

I like it.

 

[Walkman]

Key quote. You cannot plan for it.

Sky dopers take note. Lance still had tactics.

If the tactic where to dope more than everyone else, then yes, Lance was a great tactician. You tend to need less tactic when you are smashing out 7 W/kg, regardless of what other teams are doing.

 

[Walkman]

Riis. Never mind his 60 %. He has become much methodical.

He appears to be the anti-full ***.

Doped. But tactical.

I like it.

Riis is the definition of full *** I'd say.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/riis-i-want-to-do-good-things-for-cycling

Leave cycling and never come back would be a good thing. If I'd ever see the guy I will tell him exactly that. F**king doped cheater. He really disgusts me.

Edit: I am really upset now. I hate him and all his team. Wish they never had gotten a Pro-Tour licence.

"I think I've done a lot for cycling in the last few years".

Makes me want to punch him in the face.

 

[red_flanders]

I have banned two members for continued personal attacks in this thread. I'd prefer people just stopped doing it, I really don't like banning people. Thanks.

 

[roundabout]

Quoted so people can read this one again.

I read Tony Martin is going to try for GC next year. Lets see how that will work. TT god to climber.

Riepenhof mentioned that Tony has extra weight in the shoulder muscles.

First QS GC rider that doesn't suck since Garate coming up.

 

[timbo25]

is it normal for riders to be on the phone often during the race or they just edit it in when froome is calling?

 

[BigBoat]

I dont know if Froome's lead is small enough for "alien mode." Wiggins will probably give him a call and remind him the spirit of SKY (boring to the max, remember not too many attacks).

I hope he does ride at 6.4 w/kg average up Ventoux (6.7 w/kg normalized for Dave Brailsford if he's reading. )

 

[Weapons of @ss Destruction]

I have banned two members for continued personal attacks in this thread. I'd prefer people just stopped doing it, I really don't like banning people. Thanks.

Somebody should send JV a PM to give him a heads up that it's now the "Clinic 10".

 

[jilbiker]

I dont know if Froome's lead is small enough for "alien mode." Wiggins will probably give him a call and remind him the spirit of SKY (boring to the max, remember not too many attacks).

I hope he does ride at 6.4 w/kg average up Ventoux (6.7 w/kg normalized for Dave Brailsford if he's reading. )

I think Froome has a rude shock today. I really sees himself as capt Superman and does not need a team to win the tour. And Sunday did not help it, he was abandoned and he dealt with all attacks. He was like bring it on. He really should not be a Chess player or a Field General, he would be wiped.

I really think this fella does not have a plan B, he feels I will can outride 10 teams. Today was a shock. And it will get worse, he had a little help today because of course the sprinters wanted their cake. In the mountains, forget it. He sort of reminds me of Popeye, now he is going to take 3 packs of popeye beans to super charge...ha-ha

 

[sprenten]

In my opinion, I don't think any of Froome's performances are impossible for "a clean rider". I do think they're highly improbable for a rider who didn't distinguish himself immediately as a future dominant champion.

He's been riding 8 years with no Juniors experience so we can't draw anything from his past except for his progression which in his 3rd year of competitive cycling he rode and finished the tour with two top 20 stage finishes.

You have to start comparing results with training age in mind.

 

[131313]

He's been riding 8 years with no Juniors experience so we can't draw anything from his past except for his progression which in his 3rd year of competitive cycling he rode and finished the tour with two top 20 stage finishes.

You have to start comparing results with training age in mind.

I am. He grew up in athletic family, started riding at age 12. He became involved in road racing "after he moved to SA at the age of 14". His win at TofM came in 2005, supposedly before he began riding? He had a few results afterwards, then 6 years later had his big breakthrough?
Sorry, that's not just how it works.

Sure, his opportunities were more limited being in SA. Guess what? LeMond's opportunities were pretty limited too, considering at the time being an American bike racer was akin to being a Belgium baseball player. It doesn't matter, if you're truly top-of-the-food chain talented, it'll show through immediately. He either has incredibly high vo2, incredibly high efficiency or some combination of both. That sort of ability shows itself as soon as you start racing, even with guys with no background in the sport. You certainly don't need "junior experience". Most pro juniors are horrible later anyway. LeMond started riding later than Froome and was winning in Europe before he was 20yo.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

He's been riding 8 years with no Juniors experience so we can't draw anything from his past except for his progression which in his 3rd year of competitive cycling he rode and finished the tour with two top 20 stage finishes.

You have to start comparing results with training age in mind.

Good point.

Rebuttal: Mollema.

 

[hrotha]

If the tactic where to dope more than everyone else, then yes, Lance was a great tactician. You tend to need less tactic when you are smashing out 7 W/kg, regardless of what other teams are doing.

The irony of this, in light of Sky's well known tactical problems throughout their existence, is delicious.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Great day of racing. And this time i didn´t miss it (in contrast to last years deciding Vuelta stage when JRod lost, and last years Giro when DeGendt went).

Thanks god Cancellara isn´t there. He would have forced a strike to wait for Valv-Piti. And thanks god the "hard-staring-at-AC-Crybabies-Schlecklets" have nothing to say anymore. Otherwise such an exiting stage wouldn´t have happened.

And the cycling gods spoke: Movistar and Valv-Piti were punished.
All in all, a great stage...

And the best thing is: For the clinics sake; Froome must go "full ***", and the fans of Froome will have their exiting stage to Ventoux. Todays stage made it a win win situation for all the cynics, the fans of Froome, and those who just like racing action.

What a contrast to the Giro of last year and the TdF 2011.

Enjoy the weekend, still rooting for Froome. Even tough i have some doubts too now.

 

[gooner]

An interesting piece by Richard Moore in the Daily Mail tomorrow.

South African sports scientist Ross Tucker said Froome was ‘one exceptional individual or... well, we know the rest, we have seen this movie too often in the sport’.

Kerrison repeating what Brailsford said.

What Kerrison does object to is the idea that performance alone should be presented as evidence an athlete is doping. Partly this is because at some point, he insists, the best clean performances will surpass the doped performances of the past.

‘We’ve had a look at some of those performances,’ says Kerrison of the 1990s and 2000s, when EPO and blood doping disfigured the sport. ‘If you look at last year’s Tour, we know climbing performances were slower than in the past. Chris, for example, is improving all the time as a climber. He lives in Monaco and we use the Col de la Madone in training.’

Famously, this was Armstrong’s regular training climb. Kerrison said: ‘We think we know what time Armstrong and his peers were doing up that climb and we think before long we could be surpassing those times.’

Kerrison and Sir Dave Brailsford, Sky team principal, say they are unwilling to make their riders’ power data public, with Brailsford explaining that he fears losing their ‘competitive advantage’, while Kerrison expresses concern about how figures would be interpreted.

‘I’d rather find a legitimate way of using that data... as some supporting evidence that we are clean,’ he maintains.

Kerrison adds: ‘If we release that data we’re only going to become, in the methodology of some people, more suspicious.’

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ot...rance-2013-Chris-Froome-says-drugs-cheat.html

 

[Ferminal]

Kerrison hits the nail on the head at the end there, never release data unless you're confident that it is strong supporting evidence of cleanliness.

 

[mewmewmew13]

Great day of racing. And this time i didn´t miss it (in contrast to last years deciding Vuelta stage when JRod lost, and last years Giro when DeGendt went).

Thanks god Cancellara isn´t there. He would have forced a strike to wait for Valv-Piti. And thanks god the "hard-staring-at-AC-Crybabies-Schlecklets" have nothing to say anymore. Otherwise such an exiting stage wouldn´t have happened.

And the cycling gods spoke: Movistar and Valv-Piti were punished.
All in all, a great stage...

And the best thing is: For the clinics sake; Froome must go "full ***", and the fans of Froome will have their exiting stage to Ventoux. Todays stage made it a win win situation for all the cynics, the fans of Froome, and those who just like racing action.

What a contrast to the Giro of last year and the TdF 2011.

Enjoy the weekend, still rooting for Froome. Even tough i have some doubts too now.

Haha...good post Foxxy!

I don't like Froome but I agree with your enthusiasm! Will be an exciting next week....cheers