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red_flanders said:
I said move off this topic. Last warning.


I wrote my response before I saw your post. BTW, while I understand that you don't want people to feel bullied regarding their anonymity, I have no issues addressing the good Doctor's question. Just as I think it's reasonable to discuss the intentions of folks who post under a name with a vested interest in selling a product (I'm talking about Hunter's post quoted earlier). Context is important.

Back to Hunter's post, I'm reminded of Allen Lim and how he kept going on about Flandis, and how his power during the tour was well within what he was doing in training, and how he was sure he was clean, etc. It appears he's still struggling to gain back some semblance of credibility. I think Hunter has jumped the shark, from selling a product that riders (dopers and undoped alike) can find useful, to using the product as a shield against doping accusations. That's a big jump, one he may end up regretting.
 

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red_flanders said:
I said move off this topic. Last warning.

Hold on.
It is a fundamental issue to any online forum - usually used to silence debate or deflect questions.
You can recommend where to take this topic, but don't tell us to drop the topic.
 
131313 said:
I wrote my response before I saw your post. BTW, while I understand that you don't want people to feel bullied regarding their anonymity, I have no issues addressing the good Doctor's question. Just as I think it's reasonable to discuss the intentions of folks who post under a name with a vested interest in selling a product (I'm talking about Hunter's post quoted earlier). Context is important.

Understood. It's been discussed, and I think we all get it. If you want to start a thread on it in the "about this forum" area for example I have no issue. Understand that people are able to defend themselves, it's not the reason for the moderation. The reason is that it's a burgeoning rat-hole RE: the topic, "Froome". Thanks.
 
Dr. Maserati said:
Hold on.
It is a fundamental issue to any online forum - usually used to silence debate or deflect questions.
You can recommend where to take this topic, but don't tell us to drop the topic.

I'll be very clear–I can and will stop off-topic discussions in any thread in which I deem it to be an issue. Respectfully.

See my post above. Feel free to take it up in the "About this forum" area if you're so inclined. Thank you.
 

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red_flanders said:
I'll be very clear–I can and will stop off-topic discussions in any thread in which I deem it to be an issue. Respectfully.

See my post above. Feel free to take it up in the "About this forum" area if you're so inclined. Thank you.
No problem with that - you clarified the position after my post.
 
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jamesmasters said:
Froome getting dropped today was bullsh*t in my opinion. Someone who can go up mountains like he's on a motorbike suddenly gets dropped by Cavendish on a flat stage. Yeah, right. He's just trying to make his win look less ridiculous, avoiding beating the field by over 10 minutes.

I asked the same question and people were saying that only a sprinter could have covered that gap.

Still, the performance variation between this stage and last stage (sprinting for the finish) looks too diverse.

I felt that there are two froome's riding the tour.
 
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murali said:
I asked the same question and people were saying that only a sprinter could have covered that gap.

Still, the performance variation between this stage and last stage (sprinting for the finish) looks too diverse.

I felt that there are two froome's riding the tour.

Umm...Kittels performance was "diverse"! Foome just missed the split when he was just slightly out of position. It happens. 3 seconds becomes one minute pretty quickly in those sorts of winds. Not everything is about doping, and the dope didn't suddenly stop working or anything. That's just bike racing.
 
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jamesmasters said:
Froome getting dropped today was bullsh*t in my opinion. Someone who can go up mountains like he's on a motorbike suddenly gets dropped by Cavendish on a flat stage. Yeah, right. He's just trying to make his win look less ridiculous, avoiding beating the field by over 10 minutes.
murali said:
I asked the same question and people were saying that only a sprinter could have covered that gap.

Still, the performance variation between this stage and last stage (sprinting for the finish) looks too diverse.

I felt that there are two froome's riding the tour.

He didn't get dropped.
He was the wrong side of a split - one with the very purpose of gapping him. As noted Cav had to go full gas to get on.
 
131313 said:
In my opinion, I don't think any of Froome's performances are impossible for "a clean rider". I do think they're highly improbable for a rider who didn't distinguish himself immediately as a future dominant champion.

We are also told to believe that some other known dopers is supposed to be clean. Which in itself is very a very simplistic position in this matter.
 
Dazed and Confused said:
Looks like Froome has to call in a couple more big blood bags before the Ventoux stage.

Unexpected incident today.

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Fist bump from the Belkin boys.

Froome tactically is terriable. Porte not much better.

Lance would never be in this position. Froome with his dope is messing up.

The blood can only last 3 trips.
 
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martinvickers said:
Now, you know that's not quite right, Benotti - they don't try to make predictions, they test hypotheses. If your calculation/hypothesis says X should happen for variable Y, you don't 'predict' it will, you test it, and then analyse what actually happened. If it matches the hypothesis, you're on your way to a working theory. No more, no less.

That's not 'prediction'; and in all fairness, i'm pretty sure you're smart enough to know that. ;-)

Square-pedaller said:
"X should happen for variable Y" is the prediction.

You start with a hypothesis, make predictions from it, and then test the predictions (and thereby the hypothesis).

I rest my case m'lord
 
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Before the Tour I still believed in Froome. Not any more. If you just take a step back and think about how it's going to look in ten years' time after he's been caught.

- Rider comes out of nowhere, does literally nothing whatsoever for the first half of his career

- That same rider looks terrible/ amateurish on a bike

- But suddenly turns into god's gift to both climbing and time trialling

- Rider conveniently suffers from some blood disease nobody has ever heard of. By coincidence, putting all kinds of cr*p into your blood happens to be the way to dope in cycling.

The people who believed in him are going to look like complete idiots in ten years' time. He has even less credibility than Armstrong did.
 
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thehog said:
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Fist bump from the Belkin boys.

Froome tactically is terriable. Porte not much better.

Lance would never be in this position. Froome with his dope is messing up.

The blood can only last 3 trips.

It's almost sad. No race sense. NO style on the bike whatsoever. Not to be cruel, but he's basically like Frankenstein's monster on a bike. Skeleton parts everywhere, elbows out, knock-kneed, bobbing all over the place. It's like a science experiment that went horribly wrong, everything, except it made him some kind of racing beast. It's like they went "welp...we got this one, it's really screwed up mentally and physically, but it goes all day without getting tired." "Good enough for me, put 'im on a bike."
 
go crazy said:
It's almost sad. No race sense. NO style on the bike whatsoever. Not to be cruel, but he's basically like Frankenstein's monster on a bike. Skeleton parts everywhere, elbows out, knock-kneed, bobbing all over the place. It's like a science experiment that went horribly wrong, everything, except it made him some kind of racing beast. It's like they went "welp...we got this one, it's really screwed up mentally and physically, but it goes all day without getting tired." "Good enough for me, put 'im on a bike."

Correct. It's like picking out the guy coming 87th and giving him a jet pack.

Sure he can smash everyone on the final climb and win the ITT. But anything else he has no idea.

Porte doesn't help. Can he read & write? Spell his own name?
 
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Correct. It's like picking out the guy coming 87th and giving him a jet pack.

This isn't 'like' what's happened. This is what's happened, although it wasn't a jet pack they gave him.

The question now is whether it is just Froome or whether Porte and Wiggins are juiced as well. I don't regard it as case closed on the other Sky riders (yet).

You can make arguments for Wiggins being clean, although it is starting to look very dubious indeed. I think he has the most Olympic medals of any British athlete, starting at a very early age (contrast Froome who did zero for the whole first half of his career). I know the value of numerous track medals is disputed but it is not nothing and it's stupid to pretend that it's nothing. And his cycling is vaguely normal in the sense that he has his specialty, TT'ing, but is capable of being dropped on the climbs. Froome on the other hand will be dropping some Colombian midget super-climber on a climb, and then the next day out-TT ing a German TT specialist with legs like tree trunks. It's not normal and I can't think of any arguments at all to defend him.
 
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Dave Not Brailsford@****ingSirDave50m

Since @****ingFroome didn’t lose much time on a stage like today, I’m thinking of sending a few more riders home. Thinking of the budget...

NOT Chris Froome@****ingFroome2h

@****ingSirDave remind me why you didn't want to bring the Colombians again?

Dave Not Brailsford@****ingSirDave56m

@****ingFroome Because they were part of a losing squad with @NOTSirWiggo. And they are not British. Never question me again lad.
 
ebandit said:
when i read tosh like this i wonder...............do i really expect to learn anything here

it was an exciting day today as well..............expect more to come

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Nicholas Roche recounted how it went down: “I said to Michael, ‘let’s do something.’ Mick looked back, and Alberto gave the nod. Then Michael said, ‘let’s go!’ And off we went. It was something that was decided in three seconds.”

In an instant, the six riders from Saxo pounced. There were no more words exchanged. No one waited for orders. No radio checks to the sport director. Everyone knew what to do.

“It was something completely spontaneous,” said Tosatto. “You cannot plan that. The conditions were optimum for a situation like this. When we started to pull, there’s no hesitation. It was full gas.”

Key quote. You cannot plan for it.

Sky dopers take note. Lance still had tactics.
 
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thehog said:
Key quote. You cannot plan for it.

Sky dopers take note. Lance still had tactics.

I think most people watching today were waiting for this or were not surprised that Sky failed at the tactics. That Froome was not sitting on the wheel of Contador after Piti got dropped showed how easy it was.
 

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