Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[luckyboy]

Have you noticed that in the shots which you say are taken 5.7 and 5.4 km out both show the exact same Belgian/Lotto flag. The 5.4 shot is when Fuglsang etc went through, not Froome. The wind was a cross/tailwind.

That shot was chosen because it showed a lot of flags. If you show a shot with just one flag (as someone did with a British flag) it may just be a person waving it.

If you watch the video you will see that none of the flags are being waved.
All the shots I posted show that the wind is blowing north-east. Every time you see a flag in the exposed section, it is consistent with that.

 

[Benotti69]

PK tweeted this:

Paul Kimmage @PaulKimmage 3 h

Froome on Ventoux? Call me Dumbo: "I saw a peanut stand, heard a rubber band, I saw a needle that winked its eye. But I think I will have..

...seen everything when I see an elephant fly."

Thomas Frei replied:

Thomas Frei @thomasfrei 2 h

@PaulKimmage @DavidWalshST you guys heard already from Gas6 (Growth arrest-specific 6) ?

What is Gas6?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GAS6

is a human gene coding for the Gas6 protein. It is similar to the Protein S with the same domain organization and 43% amino acid identity. It was originally found as a gene upregulated by growth arrested fibroblasts.

GAS6 is a gamma-carboxyglutamic acid (Gla) domain-containing protein thought to be involved in the stimulation of cell proliferation[1]

Will Walsh do the journalistic job of finding out what Frei is talking about and is it indeed a PED? Hmm i doubt it.

 

[ThirdWorld]

Froome the truth rider...

Froome praised Quintana for his performance.

“He’s a really strong climber. I expected him to go but I wasn’t expecting it’d be that hard to catch him. Even when I did, I thought he’d win the stage and I’d have to settle for whatever gap I could get. Fortunately he faded in last two kilometres and I had a bit left. We talked a bit and I was motivating him by saying 'Come on, come on'. But then he faded, I don’t think I really attacked.”

Nairo Quintana (Movistar): “ He thought that I was stronger than I really was and we made a pact, a bit of a lie, because I could see how strong he was and I could fool him a little and hold on as long as I could hold on. We left it that if I arrived with him, I would win the stage, but he needed to take more time. I’m not at his level and even though he didn’t do what he said, I understand. I knew that I wouldn’t be able to hold on after another attack like that, so I got out of the saddle a little, took a good breath and tapped out nice rhythm to the finish line to minimize the time loss.”

 

[Netserk]

Wonder if Doc included the 04 TT in the DpVAM + DpW/kg charts.

That wasn't in a GT, so it wasn't included.

It's based on the top performances in GTs.

 

[airstream]

Here is some help:

From the autobus:

Giro d'Italia 2010 DNQ

stage 1 ITT 8.4 138TH @'51. same time as Amador
stage 6(transitional) 97th @4'11. finished with Ale-Jet
stage 7(transitional) 132nd @24'10. Tuscan mud stage
stage 8(MT) 65th @12'02. 2 places and almost 4 minutes down on Tommy V.
stage 11 (transitional) 167th @46'31. Autobus
stage 13 (transitional) 111th @7'55. Worst Sky finisher.
stage 14(mt) 23rd @4'46. same group as Tommy V and 1 place ahead of Porte.
stage 15(mt) 82nd @22'35. Same group as the noted climber Pozzato.
stage 16 MTT 12.9km 39th @3'47. 4seconds behind Tommy V.
stage 17(transitional) 146th @18'13. Autobus
stage 19(mt) Kicked out for breaking the rules.

To this:

Pena Cabarga. 1st. Exceptional performance. ahead of Cobo
462W
6.42w/kg
470W standard[70kg]
00:17:15 duration of effort
2 Cols

k, thanks i'm sorta aware of peripeteias of Froome's creative way but... Do you have explanations for that? I mean realistic explanations. I'm not saying about doping as fact because I don't question fact of using doping

 

[FignonLeGrand]

polotician

Does that mean someone who looks after baby chickens?

 

[Cerberus]

please don't call the "eyeball test" as BS. I think that most of us who quote the said test mean the same thing.
The power and performance test again is not going to stand in court, unless we physically test Froome in a lab environment. What we need is good investigators doing thorough investigation.

Some might use the "eyeball test" to mean power and performance estimates, but the discussion I was replying to was basically about just looking at the performance and seeing it as incredible, which really is BS.

 

[MizunoMX20]

I didn't read every page of this thread but I agree that "show and drama" is a important part of the TDF. Froome's performance on Ventoux was an excellent show and the doping discussion it triggered is certainly a necessary (and fun) part of the soap opera charm of cycling.
People are dissapointed that Froome dominates the Tour in the same way they are disappointed that their favourite TV show doesn't go the way they had hoped.

The more people talk about Froome's performance the more likely it is we'll learn the truth one day. And this is also part of the TDF.

I think you have twisted thoughts wrt what is the socalled soap opera charm of cycling. I want a fair fight between favourites and not some doping-assisted Froomstrong performance.

Takes all the enjoyment out of it for me.

Who is disappointed when TV shows 'dont go their way'?

 

[Juan Speeder]

No not really cos the 1st half of the climb they went rather slowly as no one took charge. You need to compare the times from when Froome went total ***.

There have been some ranking of the last half of the climb that shows that Froome is the 2nd fastest ever (IIrc)

I saw Sky brake for one of the uphill switchbacks on the lower slopes. They didn't give the appearance of going "rather slowly", nor did the lone 3 men left when Froome attacked.

 

[Benotti69]

It is amazing how people who doubted Armstrong are not questioning Froome's performances.

Whittle claimes he had an agenda against Armstrong. FFS! Now? I supose simply bias.

Walsh saying he suspected nothing, even though the journalists were laughing in the pressroom as Armstrong raced up Sastriere. He needed a failed cortisone with backdated TUE and bullying of Bassons to make him realise Armstrong was doping. Well FFS that is his journalistic credentials out the window.

He has no suspicion of Froome, this stick insect who did nothing till La Vuelta'11, where he was supposed to be a bottle carrier, who now can climb better than anyone else and TT as good as the Tony Martin the world champ.

A joke.

 

[Dalakhani]

Brailsford is a master of spin. Arguing with him is a waste of time. http://x2t.com/237477

Brailsford: "Rather than asking us to come up with some way to prove we're innocent, why don't you collectively have a meeting and tell me what would prove it to you?" he said.

I have something that could kick this discussion off:

Q1: What was it about Leinders' CV that made you want to hire him?

Q2: At what point did you become aware of the doping allegations against him?

Q3: Did you confront him with these allegations? If so, when? And what did he say to you that you believed was more compelling than the number of Rabobank people's claims against him?

As far as I'm aware, none of those questions have been directly answered.

 

[ThirdWorld]

Ok. But what we need to try to find out/understand it is:

1 - Why froome?! It is a team program with one/two riders?! porte/froome?
2 - What are they doing?!
3 - what they can do to prove that they or any rider is clean?!

 

[Bobito]

Forget Froome for a minute. Contado is obviously doping. I like him. He might even be my favorite dirty rider, but he's a proven doper and his ascent yesterday of Ventoux was one of the 50 fastest ever, putting him in company with proven dopers like Pantani, Armstrong, 2009 Contador, etc.

And he couldn't keep up with Froome.

 

[bikelizard]

... I want a fair fight between favourites and not some doping-assisted Froomstrong performance.

Takes all the enjoyment out of it for me.

...

You must be very disappointed with the last 17 years of TDF then

I'd be very curious to see what a such a fair fight between favourites in the TDF actually looks like. Maybe one day...

 

[MartinGT]

Does that mean someone who looks after baby chickens?

Ooppps

WTF is Kimmage talking about in that riddle too?

 

[Dalakhani]

Brailsford: "Rather than asking us to come up with some way to prove we're innocent, why don't you collectively have a meeting and tell me what would prove it to you?" he said.

I have something that could kick this discussion off:

Q1: What was it about Leinders' CV that made you want to hire him?

Q2: At what point did you become aware of the doping allegations against him?

Q3: Did you confront him with these allegations? If so, when? And what did he say to you that you believed was more compelling than the number of Rabobank people's claims against him?

As far as I'm aware, none of those questions have been directly answered.

Oh, and here's another question: you keep saying cycling is clean now. When did it become clean?

And the follow up (assuming an answer prior to 2010): the winner of the 2010 Tour had his title stripped, are you saying Contador was unfairly punished?

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Froome was taking musette bag during the climb and talking to the DS on the radio.

Richie Porte, who destroyed the field at Ax3D, once again ripped everyone apart, leaving only Contador to see Froome's rear wheel for a few seconds, before he was dusted.

It's not just this performance. It's race after race after race. Froome keeps that top peak all year long.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Ooppps

WTF is Kimmage talking about in that riddle too?

He thought he saw pigs fly when Pink Floyd played together for Live 8?

 

[Bratam]

Forget Froome for a minute. Contado is obviously doping. I like him. He might even be my favorite dirty rider, but he's a proven doper and his ascent yesterday of Ventoux was one of the 50 fastest ever, putting him in company with proven dopers like Pantani, Armstrong, 2009 Contador, etc.

And he couldn't keep up with Froome.

Well Contador actually came 6th in the stage. If you think Contador is now doping, then what are your thoughts on the others that finished in front of him ?

We all know Contador was doping up to and including 2011, but their are indications that he is now clean, or at least a great deal cleaner than he used to be.

 

[sublimit]

Only extreme fanboism or patriotism can prevent any one from beinng extremely suspicious about what we have seen from Froome in this Tour

congratulations for the most obvious post of the day.

 

[bikelizard]

Ok. But what we need to try to find out/understand it is:

1 - Why froome?! It is a team program with one/two riders?! porte/froome?
2 - What are they doing?!
3 - what they can do to prove that they or any rider is clean?!

#2 I find very interesting. In the Armstrong era people always assumed LA must be on some unknown super substance. All evidence so far only links him to the usuall PEDs, mainly EPO and BBs. Do people here believe there is something else in use? Do you believe Armstrong had access to any other PEDs not mentioned so far?

#3 is easy to answer, 24 hour surveilance for the next 12 month would be the only method to remove all doubts. Sad but true.

 

[Logic Al]

#2 I find very interesting. In the Armstrong era people always assumed LA must be on some unknown super substance. All evidence so far only links him to the usuall PEDs, mainly EPO and BBs. Do people here believe there is something else in use? Do you believe Armstrong had access to any other PEDs not mentioned so far?

#3 is easy to answer, 24 hour surveilance for the next 12 month would be the only method to remove all doubts. Sad but true.

Don't think even that will, people would claim that Sky bribed the surveillance company or something!

It's very hard to prove a negative!

 

[horsinabout]

Forget Froome for a minute. Contado is obviously doping. I like him. He might even be my favorite dirty rider, but he's a proven doper and his ascent yesterday of Ventoux was one of the 50 fastest ever, putting him in company with proven dopers like Pantani, Armstrong, 2009 Contador, etc.

And he couldn't keep up with Froome.

A clean peloton? Average speed of yesterdays stage was 50km/h, as of 80ks into the race. Then Mont Vonteux and froome's Vroome Vroome run away from Contador. This being compared to other dopers, I suspect that no other dopers, in the history of dopness would have been able to stay with that turn of pace, including Pantani.

 

[Michele]

It is amazing how people who doubted Armstrong are not questioning Froome's performances.

Whittle claimes he had an agenda against Armstrong. FFS! Now? I supose simply bias.

Walsh saying he suspected nothing, even though the journalists were laughing in the pressroom as Armstrong raced up Sastriere. He needed a failed cortisone with backdated TUE and bullying of Bassons to make him realise Armstrong was doping. Well FFS that is his journalistic credentials out the window.

He has no suspicion of Froome, this stick insect who did nothing till La Vuelta'11, where he was supposed to be a bottle carrier, who now can climb better than anyone else and TT as good as the Tony Martin the world champ.

A joke.

You could add that at that Vuelta his contract was ending and Team Sky wasn't gonna renew (indeed he was gonna sign with Lampre for a much cheaper contract, just the sign was missing..) before his miracolous transformation at the spanish GT.

 

[MizunoMX20]

You must be very disappointed with the last 17 years of TDF then

I'd be very curious to see what a such a fair fight between favourites in the TDF actually looks like. Maybe one day...

well 98 was pretty exciting!!