Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[Cookster15]

It's not just this performance. It's race after race after race. Froome keeps that top peak all year long.

And yet despite all this there was virtually nothing to suggest what Froome's current potential might be prior to the 2011 Vuelta. Yet Brailsford and the legion of Sky defenders say it is all because of superior training or so called marginal gains

Maybe we can rule out Ventoux ascent time compared with Armstrong due to tail winds but the Alpe should be interesting. It is too bad the Alpe has to be raced twice. But if Froome does any less than 41 minutes on the second ascent that will also be highly suspect for somebody who showed no GT winning ability prior to 2011 Vuelta.

By comparison Cadel Evans has been suggested as a potential Tour winner since 1999 - 12 years before he finally pulled it off.

 

[zalacain]

Question # 217
"You say that Nigel Mitchell prepares a diet for each individual rider and they eat nothing that is not specially prepared for them.
Can you explain then , since you said even their drinks are specially prepared with additives, why there have been stomach upsets in the team this season?
Finally, just do clear up any doubts, do the riders know exactly what these drinks and meals contain? For example the bag handed up just past the ten km marker on the Ventoux?
Or is this another "pie in the sky" http://x2t.com/237500 ?

 

[MartinGT]

And yet despite all this there was virtually nothing to suggest what Froome's current potential might be prior to the 2011 Vuelta. Yet Brailsford and the legion of Sky defenders say it is all because of superior training or so called marginal gains

Maybe we can rule out Ventoux ascent time compared with Armstrong due to tail winds but the Alpe should be interesting. It is too bad the Alpe has to be raced twice. But if Froome does any less than 41 minutes on the second ascent that will also be highly suspect for somebody who showed no GT winning ability prior to 2011 Vuelta.

By comparison Cadel Evans has been suggested as a potential Tour winner since 1999 - 12 years before he finally pulled it off.

There was no tail winds yesterday, it was a head wind.

 

[Cookster15]

There was no tail winds yesterday, it was a head wind.

Well there you go. And he was still just 3 sec off Armstrong. Not bad for superior training

 

[bewildered]

I have seen comments along the lines of 'cycling has changed', 'climbing speeds are down, that's how you know the peleton is cleaner' and 'multiple attacks on climbs are a sign of doping' (not quotes but comments along those lines) attributed to Brailsford on here. I may be wrong about this as it's just from memory really and I can't find them, perhaps another cycling stakeholder said them.

This is the only one i can find now:-


"If people want the entertainment value of riders attacking each other, stopping, attacking each other again and again, then go back to ‘old cycling’, which will give you the capability to do that,” he said. “If you want clean sport and clean cycling, then it’s going to be different. You can’t have it both ways. There’s an element of reality about what we’re doing.” http://velonews.competitor.com/2013...railsford-insists-his-team-rides-clean_277766

Can anyone provide links to other quotes from DB along the lines of the above?!

Thanks

 

[leon7766]

After watching that performance yesterday how can anyone doubt Froome is clean .In todays climate of everyone being called a doper there is no way he would perform so brilliantly if he wasn't clean .He has clearly thought sod off keyboard warriors I have nothing to hide and nothing to worry abut in the future .

I support Sky so no tripe about Trolling

 

[MartinGT]

Is it allowed to pass a musette at that 10km marker btw?

 

[ThirdWorld]

The most pertubing thing is the lack of results before vuelta 2011. such a potential do not surge from nothing.... in a such hard sport like cycling.

zero credit.

 

[bikelizard]

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Maybe we can rule out Ventoux ascent time compared with Armstrong due to tail winds but the Alpe should be interesting. It is too bad the Alpe has to be raced twice. But if Froome does any less than 41 minutes on the second ascent that will also be highly suspect for somebody who showed no GT winning ability prior to 2011 Vuelta.

....

It's most likely there will be no tactical need for Froome to go full speed at that stage. He'll go full speed on the TT and stay with the other GC riders at the Alpe.
Sky might try to give a stage win at Alpe to Porte.

 

[sublimit]

There was no tail winds yesterday, it was a head wind.

Only for the last 7 k approx, the course changes direction believe it or not

 

[MartinGT]

Only for the last 7 k approx, the course changes direction believe it or not

Ok fair do's I am only going on what Phil & Paul were saying. Which, in their own right usually means nothing

 

[FignonLeGrand]

Ooppps

WTF is Kimmage talking about in that riddle too?

Yeah it doesnt add up to much. For an award winning journalist he is rather sitting on his laurels. Why not come out and say something direct?

 

[bewildered]

the tailwind myth that a lot of Froome defenders are peddling is based mainly on this tweet from Greg Henderson yesterday:-

Greg Henderson ‏@Greghenderson1
Tailwind up the whole climb helped my watts per kilo guys so don't go getting too impressed by my time up Ventoux.

Henderson finished 32.36 down on Froome 146th out of 181 riders and came in at the same time as the rider in 179th place and was obviously taking the p1ss out of himself.

So I think we can safely put that myth to bed

 

[bikelizard]

Only for the last 7 k approx, the course changes direction believe it or not

Froome was slightly faster than LA during the last 4km.

 

[veganrob]

Ooppps

WTF is Kimmage talking about in that riddle too?

What Kimmage is saying is, he has now seen nearly everything after yesterdays Ventoux, so now after he sees elephants fly, he will have seen it all.
Got that.

 

[MizunoMX20]

the tailwind myth that a lot of Froome defenders are peddling is based mainly on this tweet from Greg Henderson yesterday:-

Greg Henderson ‏@Greghenderson1
Tailwind up the whole climb helped my watts per kilo guys so don't go getting too impressed by my time up Ventoux.

Henderson finished 32.36 down on Froome 146th out of 181 riders and came in at the same time as the rider in 179th place and was obviously taking the p1ss out of himself.

So I think we can safely put that myth to bed

Yes yes i think the excuses can be put to bed

After Ax3 it was "first serious mountian stage in the Tour" and "only 8km long effort", "at some point clean performances will surpass doped performances" when Froome did better than two of three Armstrong climbs.

After Ventoux I've heard "tailwind", "accelerating on false flats", "Contador doesnt dope"

All of this to justify the EPO-era times that Froome has put on the board.

While last year climbing times were supposedly down, clearly indicating less doping.

 

[MartinGT]

What Kimmage is saying is, he has now seen nearly everything after yesterdays Ventoux, so now after he sees elephants fly, he will have seen it all.
Got that.

*ding*

Said in a way so nobody sue's his a$$

 

[doolols]

the tailwind myth that a lot of Froome defenders are peddling is based mainly on this tweet from Greg Henderson yesterday:-
...
So I think we can safely put that myth to bed

You're right. Oh, except for the visual evidence from http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=1301063&postcount=5483

 

[Benotti69]

looks like a crosswind in that photo

 

[the sceptic]

http://www.steephill.tv/players/vim...&dashboard=tour-de-france&id=70283803&yr=2013

lol

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

On the wind:
{Edit: sorry, save it for BoB. }

when one watches closely one will notice the course to the top swirls, so, crosswind will mean frontwind on other passages.

Just watch.

 

[bewildered]

there were switchbacks on the climbs, so there would have been a tailwind for certain (relatively minor) parts but not the whole way up. A screenshot doesn't back up claims that there was a tailwind the whole way up FFS

 

[thirteen]

On the wind:
when one watches closely one will notice the course to the top swirls, so, crosswind will mean frontwind on other passages.

Just watch.

real tasteful, thanks.

can you leave that to the Babes on Bikes thread in the other forum, please?

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

real tasteful, thanks.

can you leave that to the Babes on Bikes thread in the other forum, please?

Dont get upset.

better?

 

[mr. tibbs]

Don't tell thirteen how to feel about your pics in poor taste.

As for Froome, his video interview was transribed in CN's story as saying "I didn't seem myself winning." Seem myself. Haha that's great, a real Froomean slip.

The write up also describes the performance as "incredible" in the first sentence of the second paragraph. I agree, it was a literally incredible performance. Looking forward to some sandbagging from Froome and Porte in the final week just to limit our incredulity.