Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[Mellow Velo]

remember thaat in the PRR forum clinic related comments are not allowed, so some of that will be coded to mean "doper"

They aren't?
Clearly, full ***, mutant and alien mean something totally different over there.

 

[sittingbison]

and they get reported, deleted, and sometime a ban is issued.

 

[pastronef]

It has started, like it started with Armstrong.

and in the Armstrong years, the clinic and twitter did not even exist. it just began after his comeback 2009.
the interwebs storm is beginning.
Michelle is reading everything, and getting mad and madder every day

 

[Mellow Velo]

and they get reported, deleted, and sometime a ban is issued.

Except on a Monday?

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=22422&page=6

 

[thirteen]

Wow i'm stunned, belgian newspaper is calling out Froome on the fact that he never mentioned the astma issue in his book.

Today's?
10 char

 

[Hawkwood]

... And no, neither Scienceiscool nor me are very sympathetic to this guy. But once again something pretty harmless is being blown up. Asthma is a blanket term for bronchidal inflammation with several causes and several profiles. Some people need a puffer several times a day, others never have to touch one.

About twenty years ago, when I was fairly fit and riding probably about 100 miles a week with good riders, I had an asthma check up. At the check up I did the peak flow test, in those days the scale on the meter went to 750, and I got it to 720+ with no difficulty at all, the doctor was impressed. What I found though was quite small changes to this peak flow, i.e. down to about 650 made me feel very uncomfortable. Asthma triggers for me are cigarette smoke, exhaust fumes, mold, dust, and certain climatic conditions such as the run up to thunder storms.

 

[sniper]

regardless of how performance enhancing the puff was or wasnt, it could be an eyeopener to some who were previously hindered by blinders, as it quite clearly exposes sky's non-transparency.

have uci, brailsfrod and/or walsh responded yet?

 

[red_flanders]

and in the Armstrong years, the clinic and twitter did not even exist. it just began after his comeback 2009.
the interwebs storm is beginning.
Michelle is reading everything, and getting mad and madder every day

There were other forums and it was all widely discussed.

 

[mikeoneill]

could be a red flag moment for walsh


if froome hasn't mentioned asthma before

 

[rainman]

could be a red flag moment for walsh


if froome hasn't mentioned asthma before

Or if Froome did mention it why did Walsh not say anything in the book? Did he agree not to? Either way something's not right about it.

 

[andy1234]

This Asthma stuff reminds me of the the BS spouted every time Armstrong scratched his @rse.
There are many things to be alarmed about, when it comes to Froome's performances, but this isn't one of them.

It's exercise induces Asthma FFS. Many athletes have some form of it, and treatment during activity is recommended.

Valid points simply get washed away in the sea of posts, obsessing over these irrelevant activities.
Discuss the contents of Froome's sock drawer by all means, but don't be surprised when the clinic is dismissed as a freak show.

 

[mikeoneill]

Or if Froome did mention it why did Walsh not say anything in the book? Did he agree not to? Either way something's not right about it.

it's the little things that trip you up...

 

[hrotha]

Is there a scientific consensus about the compatibility of asthma and bilharzia yet? Someone brought up the possibility that exercise-induced asthma might work differently talking to Digger on Twitter, but Cound has said Froome has had it since he was a child.

 

[rainman]

This Asthma stuff reminds me of the the BS spouted every time Armstrong scratched his @rse.
There are many things to be alarmed about, when it comes to Froome's performances, but this isn't one of them.

It's exercise induces Asthma FFS. Many athletes have some form of it, and treatment during activity is recommended.

Valid points simply get washed away in the sea of posts, obsessing over these irrelevant activities.
Discuss the contents of Froome's sock drawer by all means, but don't be surprised when the clinic is dismissed as a freak show.

Agree, maybe its irrelevant, but in the book all sorts of minutae are discussed. I would have thought having asthma was quite important.

 

[MartinGT]

This Asthma stuff reminds me of the the BS spouted every time Armstrong scratched his @rse.
There are many things to be alarmed about, when it comes to Froome's performances, but this isn't one of them.

It's exercise induces Asthma FFS. Many athletes have some form of it, and treatment during activity is recommended.

Valid points simply get washed away in the sea of posts, obsessing over these irrelevant activities.
Discuss the contents of Froome's sock drawer by all means, but don't be surprised when the clinic is dismissed as a freak show.

I think the majority of posters see the ventolin as a none enhancing item.

But they see it as yet another blob on Skys so called transparency or lack of it.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

The thing that gets me is the switch from bilharzia to asthma as the explanation for his coughing...

“I must have touched some contaminated water somewhere in Africa. I probably had it for a year before I found it,” he said in 2011. “That just drained my immune system. I was always getting little colds and coughs, nothing serious, but it always kept me from being at 100-percent fitness.”
Read more at http://velonews.competitor.com/2013...bilharzia-parasite_295548#hlixEa6QoRc2pJhV.99

Froome’s girlfriend, Michelle Cound, responded to some messages on Twitter and explained that he has used it since he was a boy.

“No TUE required,” she wrote. “He has asthma, hence the coughing after exertion #duh #trolls.”

Sky confirmed that he has been using the inhaler since he was a teenager and that sometimes in races he administers Salbutamol.

Read more at http://velonews.competitor.com/2014...o-treat-his-asthma_331334#VL7gI94eqCQGKcwi.99

 

[Franklin]

Now THAT is a good point DW.

I also probably had Asthma since a child as I was diagnozed as early teen. Nothing wrong with Froome's story.

But why oh why spin a tale about Bilharzia and constant colds and coughs when you know you have asthma? Because as an Asthma patient that is exactly what you see.

Its the little things together that make you go... erm wut?

 

[zigmeister]

....
What is interesting, is Froome knows exactly when to use his inhaler, he is approximately 5-15 minutes from a more extreme exertion/effort. The inhaler begins to take effect during that time and reach maximum I believe in 30 minutes. Have to look at the pharmacology again.

Point being, he didn't have asthma 45 minutes prior...decided right at that specific point to use it.....that is shady stuff. The half-life is 3-6hrs...so if he just took a dose near the beginning of the stage..no problems, plenty of drug still in his system to do what it needs to do.

Hate to quote myself fellas...but gheez.....did I hit this on the head of the nail with this statement. The timing of his use of the inhaler. He doesn't actually have any symptoms, but just decides to take a hit of the inhaler before the effort coming up and gives the 5-10 minutes it takes for it to really start to have a positive effect.

Now you are not going to tell me this isn't a PED advantage? I'll keep saying this over and over, let's just make the same argument for many other drugs, testosterone, thyroid medication etc..etc...performance is relative and unique for each person. If Froome can't either mentally, or physically get by without this drug, then how is this not a PED by definition? I will always maintain it is. Performance if relative to what an athlete is capable of physically doing on a measurable performance bases, compared to themselves taking something, then testing again. Not compared to 50 other guys and how fast they do a single climb for instance, with the help of some external chemical. Shoot, might as well add water to the list as well of PED.

Here is Froome's quote:

“I don’t use it every time I race, normally only when I know I’ve got a big effort coming up or something. It’s completely allowed, you don’t even need a TUE (Therapeutic Use Exemption) for it so it’s a bit of a surprise that everyone is talking about it.”

 

[thehog]

The thing that gets me is the switch from bilharzia to asthma as the explanation for his coughing...

Agree.

And Froome himself tows the new line failing to have never mentioned the coughing was due to asthma before.

“A lot of people have seen the interviews I do after a race, part of the coughing that I have all the time – that’s part of that narrowing of my airways and that’s one of the reasons I use the inhaler.”

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/froome-surprised-at-controversy-over-in-race-inhaler-use

 

[Franklin]

Everyone coughs after going deep, not just Asthma patients. I'm very hesistant to call such a cough a symptom of Asthma.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

It's called pursuiter's cough. On the track at least. Lozengers beforehand can help, and it's exacerbated by dry, cold air.

A humid, warm day in France seems like a place where it'd be far less likely to occur.

 

[andy1234]

Hate to quote myself fellas...but gheez.....did I hit this on the head of the nail with this statement. The timing of his use of the inhaler. He doesn't actually have any symptoms, but just decides to take a hit of the inhaler before the effort coming up and gives the 5-10 minutes it takes for it to really start to have a positive effect.

Now you are not going to tell me this isn't a PED advantage? I'll keep saying this over and over, let's just make the same argument for many other drugs, testosterone, thyroid medication etc..etc...performance is relative and unique for each person. If Froome can't either mentally, or physically get by without this drug, then how is this not a PED by definition? I will always maintain it is. Performance if relative to what an athlete is capable of physically doing on a measurable performance bases, compared to themselves taking something, then testing again. Not compared to 50 other guys and how fast they do a single climb for instance, with the help of some external chemical. Shoot, might as well add water to the list as well of PED.

Here is Froome's quote:

“I don’t use it every time I race, normally only when I know I’ve got a big effort coming up or something. It’s completely allowed, you don’t even need a TUE (Therapeutic Use Exemption) for it so it’s a bit of a surprise that everyone is talking about it.”

in that case, Sun screen for fair skinned athletes is a PED.
It is after all, only a preventative measure, and not all athletes require it....

 

[zigmeister]

I think the majority of posters see the ventolin as a none enhancing item.

But they see it as yet another blob on Skys so called transparency or lack of it.

Here is my issue....he takes the inhaler without ever having any symptoms?!?! They are typically called rescue inhalers. They can be used preventatively. But unless you know exact triggers that you will encounter/or something to prevent, why take it?

Just taking hits off the inhaler, unless prove/known condition that will set off said symptoms, is going to occur.

So, many many many times, Froome has never taken the inhaler an entire stage. Due to not having symptoms...but now, wait a second, he "predicts" he is going to have some great effort required that *might* set off some asthmatic reaction, so he just takes it.

If this is what the case is, he would/should like clockwork, be seen taking hits off the inhaler before these big predicted efforts he claims sets off the asthma.

I know, sounds like I contradicted myself from above, but his behavior has change as well as his story. The past 2 years, nobody has seen him taking a hit during a stage of the inhaler have they??? Now, well, he has a plan in place. Probably Xenon and not salbuterol in that thing.

And now he is timing taking the inhaler shortly before hard efforts. Find it odd that all of the sudden, and not 2 hrs previous when the drug is still in your body due to a 3-6hr half-life, why then/there he takes the drug.

 

[Catwhoorg]

Everyone coughs after going deep, not just Asthma patients. I'm very hesistant to call such a cough a symptom of Asthma.

I believe the better (preferred) term is Exercise induced Bronchioconstriction as it is distinct from asthma.

But exercise induced asthma has been the way it has been referred to for years and not many people would have even heard of EIB.

 

[Franklin]

It's called pursuiter's cough.

Aha!

I know it as "het 1500 meter hoestje". Loosely translated: "the 1500 meter cough", coming from speedskating (very Ducth ofc.)