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element said:
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:eek: :eek: He looks like a bag of bones!!
 
he does seem to put out a healthy wattage though.. and his skeleton seems to have little problem using its reserves?? to keep going in a 3week tour also.
When everybody learns the sky trick.. the biggest part of the peleton will be bones on bikes. Maybe the day will come when the bikes are less fragile looking than the bikers themselves..
 
maxmartin said:
"Doctors discovered the rather obscure virus and quickly prescribed treatments that kill just about everything in the body, similar to chemotherapy."

Sounds so like Lance's story, guess you just have to kill yourself first hen get a brand new reborn.:eek:

http://velonews.competitor.com/2012...e-battles-parasite-media-cars-expelled_230162

“The treatment is pretty rough stuff,” he said. “I have had a bit of a slow start to the season. There was more than a week when I could not even touch the bike. I started picking it up in time to be ready for the Tour.”

- just as well he could pick up the bike just before the Tour. I mean all that hard work & determination Sky have been going on about and you just pick up your bike, ride and nearly win the darn thing.
 
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could this be SKY's new trick, we all know some chemo drugs can makes you completely wasted losing dramatic weight in a matter of weeks, and no anti doping agency bother to test those drugs.
 
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could this be SKY's new trick, we all know some chemo drugs can makes you completely wasted losing dramatic weight in a matter of weeks, and no anti doping agency bother to test those drugs.

Yeah, any chemo that will do that to you is likely to make you quite sick, loose hair, possibly cause infertility and lead to potentially fatal infections! Quite a price to pay for a bit of weight loss????
 
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Froome and the Vuelta

I wonder why people are saying that Froome will do well in Vuelta 2012?? Its puzzling that if he does remotely well this will not raise a huge red flag?? Tell me how after 3 weeks of the TDF you are recovered and fully ready to go in 3/4 weeks?? Its a no brainer, he CANNOT do well in the Vuelta unless he is on juice. The TDF is no small race and you recover enough in 3-4 weeks to tackle 8 mountain top finishes? Please!! Yes it is possible, through PED of course but not through ANY natural means. On top of that all the best Sky domestiques are at the TDF, tell me that they would be recovered also in 3-4 weeks? Even US Postal did not boast of such a feat.
 
jilbiker said:
I wonder why people are saying that Froome will do well in Vuelta 2012?? Its puzzling that if he does remotely well this will not raise a huge red flag?? Tell me how after 3 weeks of the TDF you are recovered and fully ready to go in 3/4 weeks?? Its a no brainer, he CANNOT do well in the Vuelta unless he is on juice. The TDF is no small race and you recover enough in 3-4 weeks to tackle 8 mountain top finishes? Please!! Yes it is possible, through PED of course but not through ANY natural means. On top of that all the best Sky domestiques are at the TDF, tell me that they would be recovered also in 3-4 weeks? Even US Postal did not boast of such a feat.

Heras superdomestiqued for Armstrong then won the Vuelta, though of course he was doped.

However, competing at the Vuelta after competing at the Tour is easier than competing at the Tour after competing at the Giro, because the average speed of the péloton at the Vuelta is lower than that at the Tour. Plus Froome apparently likes it best when it's really hot as it suits him, and though there aren't many in the last couple of years, there are a few recent examples of riders doing well in both Tour and Vuelta; Sastre 4th and 2nd in 2007 and 1st and 3rd in 2008, and Evans 2nd and 4th in 2007 also.

Also, those who look at the insane drop-off between Froome's best performances in his life (Vuelta '11, Dauphiné-Tour '12) and the next best results in his career, simply contend that if he's capable of such an insane transformation, what's to say he can't go one step further and win Paris-Roubaix?
 

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roundabout said:
Another thought occured to me, why of all people on the team did Froome improve so much?

Why not Löfkvist or Uran? Two riders who most people would say were more talented (unless one accepts a hick hypothesis, another of the conditions that while plausible each by itself, don't really paint a pretty picture when added together).

Why do only a few people noticeably benefit from the "better training"?

Another question: What do the posters here really know about Froome? Why do they continue to make insulting and unfounded allegations about a person of whom they know nothing.
4 years ago Froome road the British Championship on a tough and hilly course. At the time he was riding for Barloworld. At one point, myself and a bunch of experienced cyclists watched him bridge a gap on a difficult part of the circuit with the most amazing power and panache that we had witnessed for years. Adrian commented: "You know Ian, this guy will win the Tour one day!".
You see those of us who know cycling and understand the sport and have raced ourselves do not make stupid and unfounded allegations. But we can make perceptive comments about a great rider and his potential.
 
ianfra said:
Another question: What do the posters here really know about Froome? Why do they continue to make insulting and unfounded allegations about a person of whom they know nothing.
4 years ago Froome road the British Championship on a tough and hilly course. At the time he was riding for Barloworld. At one point, myself and a bunch of experienced cyclists watched him bridge a gap on a difficult part of the circuit with the most amazing power and panache that we had witnessed for years. Adrian commented: "You know Ian, this guy will win the Tour one day!".
You see those of us who know cycling and understand the sport and have raced ourselves do not make stupid and unfounded allegations. But we can make perceptive comments about a great rider and his potential.

I'm with you. Those Alpine climbs in Britan are a good test for the ones in France.

Good spot.

I always knew he'd be a champion. When I watched him zig zag up San Luca in the 2009 Giro trying to hold Simon Gerrans wheel I knew he'd win the Tour one day.

Doesn't matter he could barely hold his bike upright it was the panache in which he did it with that made be believe one day this guy will not only become the best climber in the Tour but also the greatest time trialist.

Easy to spot a up and coming Tour champion.
 
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Four Winds said:
Yeah, any chemo that will do that to you is likely to make you quite sick, loose hair, possibly cause infertility and lead to potentially fatal infections! Quite a price to pay for a bit of weight loss????

obviously Froom go through that and seems fine, dosage and the period of dosing may play crucial role. And in some sense, these drugs make you weak, so no doping agency will bother to check them
 
jilbiker said:
I wonder why people are saying that Froome will do well in Vuelta 2012?? Its puzzling that if he does remotely well this will not raise a huge red flag?? Tell me how after 3 weeks of the TDF you are recovered and fully ready to go in 3/4 weeks?? Its a no brainer, he CANNOT do well in the Vuelta unless he is on juice. The TDF is no small race and you recover enough in 3-4 weeks to tackle 8 mountain top finishes? Please!! Yes it is possible, through PED of course but not through ANY natural means. On top of that all the best Sky domestiques are at the TDF, tell me that they would be recovered also in 3-4 weeks? Even US Postal did not boast of such a feat.

I'm not sure doing well in the Vuelta would show he's doping any more than just winning the Tour would.

The Tour-Vuelta double has been done before. And although Froome is no Anquetil or Hinault, undoubtedly those two were not on EPO.

I'm no training expert, but it is possible to do well at two GTs in a year, the couple weeks in between can be enough to then peak a second time. Especially for Froome maybe who started his buildup for the Tour quite late.
 

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thehog said:
I'm with you. Those Alpine climbs in Britan are a good test for the ones in France.

Good spot.

I always knew he'd be a champion. When I watched him zig zag up San Luca in the 2009 Giro trying to hold Simon Gerrans wheel I knew he'd win the Tour one day.

Doesn't matter he could barely hold his bike upright it was the panache in which he did it with that made be believe one day this guy will not only become the best climber in the Tour but also the greatest time trialist.

Easy to spot a up and coming Tour champion.

What a cynical post. Either you love and appreciate this sport or you do not. Interesting this forum when a whole bunch of ne'er do wells can insult clean riders from the peloton, but if I dare insult you back then I get banned. I think it is a shame that CyclingNews (an excellent website for us cyclists) allows such scandal and libel in their forum. There are many posts here that utterly disgusts me. I am so glad I am not a pro rider. I am happy to be a coach and I am happy to be coaching clean riders that would not even think about doping. However, I truly believe that half the people here who post accusatory rubbish with no evidence would probably dope themselves given half a chance.
 
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thehog said:
I'm with you. Those Alpine climbs in Britan are a good test for the ones in France.

I hope your not calling our climbs short :D

You should head to the Yorkshire Dales, a 1 in 3 climb makes up for the lack of altitude
 
The article below is the first I've seen to openly suggest the bilharzia may have negatively influenced Froome's performances prior to diagnosis in November 2010.

http://velonews.competitor.com/2012...e-battles-parasite-media-cars-expelled_230162

The suggestion being that there was an unspecified period of time prior to that where it went undiagnosed.

Doctors initially thought the symptoms pointed toward mononucleosis, but treatments failed to resolve his ongoing problems that left him tired and powerless on the bike. It went largely undiagnosed until he underwent extensive blood screening with a switch to Sky in 2010.

As for Froome at the 2012 Vuelta, the reason there is confidence he will succeed for me is because:

- I assume that whatever preparations he made for the 2011 Vuelta and this TdF will stand him in good stead. In the two years he has received treatment for bilharzia he has gone on to put in arguably the strongest GT performances of that year of any rider (despite likely not winning either due to team orders). He hasn’t had one “off day” in the past two GTs.
- he doesn't need a team like Wiggins does on climbs.
- he has an ability to drop back from the front of a group for a few seconds and recover enough in a minute to find an almighty second wind. An ability described as “very unusual” by UK commentators who, on the face of it, are very supportive of him. This ability to recover combined with the lack of an “off day” makes him very easy to bet in favour of when he has a few weeks rest.

I appreciate people don’t like posts about “clean” riders (i.e. those not confirmed as dopers). For what little it’s worth in 2011 Vuelta I only strongly suspected two riders and in this TdF I am only strongly suspecting one rider. Froome is the common theme. It’s not like I have a completely jaundiced view of the whole peloton.

Although I am sure more than a couple of riders are cheating, I’ve not seen enough in those individuals (including Frank Schleck - oops) to convince myself not to give them the benefit of the doubt.

Even with Froome I am keeping a very small part of my mind open to the possibility that he is the best athelete in road cycling who was held back by an undiagnosed illness. Somebody has to be the best I suppose - he just strikes me as an unlikely candidate.
 
ianfra said:
Another question: What do the posters here really know about Froome? Why do they continue to make insulting and unfounded allegations about a person of whom they know nothing.
4 years ago Froome road the British Championship on a tough and hilly course. At the time he was riding for Barloworld. At one point, myself and a bunch of experienced cyclists watched him bridge a gap on a difficult part of the circuit with the most amazing power and panache that we had witnessed for years. Adrian commented: "You know Ian, this guy will win the Tour one day!".
You see those of us who know cycling and understand the sport and have raced ourselves do not make stupid and unfounded allegations. But we can make perceptive comments about a great rider and his potential.

Was he clean then? :cool:
 

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