Blackcat, you already started a thread about Froome's early results, and, to put it mildly, most people agreed you were wildly exaggerating how good they were and how much potential they showed.
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Hroth but I dont doubt that he is juiced like the rest of them up the pointy end.hrotha said:Blackcat, you already started a thread about Froome's early results, and, to put it mildly, most people agreed you were wildly exaggerating how good they were and how much potential they showed.
Don't be late Pedro said:Yes, I read the interview. So it sounds like Cycle Sport took what he said and plotted an example graph. Brailsford only mentions a few riders in the interview and where they would appear. So either
i) He mentioned the other riders in the interview but it wasn't printed.
ii) He explained exactly how he determines a riders place on the graph and gave Cycle Sport information so they were able to plot it correctly.
iii) Cycle Sport put riders where they thought they might appear.
I am going for (iii). I could well be wrong though.
I flagged that as a possibility in a previous post. And Geraint Thomas is not mentioned either but I would not see him as an irrelevant rider for Sky.Libertine Seguros said:But then, as the interview may have been edited, they may have discussed all of the riders, but only gone with those thought to be relevant for the finished article, in which case it would be even more damning as Froome would have been considered totally irrelevant.
Agreed. I am not arguing one way or another as to where riders should or not be. It may be the case that Froome should be where he is on the graph. I think that just as posters (rightly) question performances about teams that not questioning information given to us just because it suits our stance is wrong.Libertine Seguros said:Only Cyclesport themselves, and Brailsford himself, can know for sure
Eyeballs Out said:Why did Froome sign a 3 year deal with Sky after the Vuelta ? Could have been the main man elsewhere. Playing second fiddle to Wiggins was inevitable but he doesn't seem that happy about it. Were other teams scared off (whether it be doping suspicions or concerns about his health) or did he think that his Vuelta performance wouldn't be sustainable elsewhere ?
Or maybe they offered him the most money and the best contract. He might well get the chance to be leader in future tours.Eyeballs Out said:Why did Froome sign a 3 year deal with Sky after the Vuelta ? Could have been the main man elsewhere. Playing second fiddle to Wiggins was inevitable but he doesn't seem that happy about it. Were other teams scared off (whether it be doping suspicions or concerns about his health) or did he think that his Vuelta performance wouldn't be sustainable elsewhere ?
Eyeballs Out said:Why did Froome sign a 3 year deal with Sky after the Vuelta ? Could have been the main man elsewhere. Playing second fiddle to Wiggins was inevitable but he doesn't seem that happy about it. Were other teams scared off (whether it be doping suspicions or concerns about his health) or did he think that his Vuelta performance wouldn't be sustainable elsewhere ?
Eyeballs Out said:Why did Froome sign a 3 year deal with Sky after the Vuelta ? Could have been the main man elsewhere. Playing second fiddle to Wiggins was inevitable but he doesn't seem that happy about it. Were other teams scared off (whether it be doping suspicions or concerns about his health) or did he think that his Vuelta performance wouldn't be sustainable elsewhere ?
will10 said:Jonathan Vaughters @Vaughters
Thanks for all the folks saying I should hire Froomie. I tried at the beginning of the Vuelta last year. But we don't have the resources.
Yes, because Vaughters who advertises his team as a clean team would decide to use twitter to send a coded message for the benefit of those 'in the know'.The Joker said:Interesting choice of words - resources could of course mean cash, but it could mean something different entirely...
Don't be late Pedro said:Yes, because Vaughters who advertises his team as a clean team would decide to use twitter to send a coded message for the benefit of those 'in the know'.
Your choice of words could mean you are onto something or it could mean you are an imbecile.
I probably should not have been so harsh so sorry for that. But I still think that people can read almost anything into just about anything that someone says. Most people would not over think something posted on twitter imo.The Joker said:I'm sorry, but JV knows full well that the there is a cloud of doping which hangs over this sport.
As you say, he advertises his team as clean, and he is outpsoken against doping. That should mean he is extra careful to ensure that nothing that he does or says can be construed badly / negatively. He needs to be constantly vigilant and constantly careful!
What he should tweet is that "Thanks for all the folks saying I should hire Froomie. I tried at the beginning of the Vuelta last year. But we don't have the money to sign him".
I should add that I am sure that this is what JV meant, but as I said before, "resources" is an abiguous term, and could have several meanings...
Don't be late Pedro said:Besides that would have been too long for a tweet
Don't be late Pedro said:...would decide to use twitter to send a coded message for the benefit of those 'in the know'.
will10 said:Jonathan Vaughters @Vaughters
Thanks for all the folks saying I should hire Froomie. I tried at the beginning of the Vuelta last year. But we don't have the resources.
gustienordic said:Which is simply true. Garmin do not have the budget of Sky or BMC. They have relatively small amounts of money.
will10 said:Froome didn't even have a offer for the following year from anyone at the start of the Vuelta, I can't imagine he'd be demanding a huge contract until later in that race.
I can't imagine JV or anyone else would have been particularly inclined to offer him a contract until later in the Vuelta.will10 said:Froome didn't even have a offer for the following year from anyone at the start of the Vuelta, I can't imagine he'd be demanding a huge contract until later in that race.
Libertine Seguros said:But then, as the interview may have been edited, they may have discussed all of the riders, but only gone with those thought to be relevant for the finished article, in which case it would be even more damning as Froome would have been considered totally irrelevant.
hrotha said:I can't imagine JV or anyone else would have been particularly inclined to offer him a contract until later in the Vuelta.
hrotha said:I can't imagine JV or anyone else would have been particularly inclined to offer him a contract until later in the Vuelta.