Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[Dear Wiggo]

Re:

Why is peer review so far fetched? Lance Armstrong was the subject of such a paper in 2005.

If SKY has such a poor reputation for openness, peer review would give them more credibility than if they release the data themselves.

Bahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahaha

You are ffs kidding me Lance had a paper with peer review?

That's your argument?

That paper was released to help support his court case that he was clean. The author of the paper was then paid to be his expert witness at that court case. It was a puerile attempt at using the scientific process to pervert the course of justice.

I'd be looking for something else as your example if you want to use it to support a clean rider.

 

[djpbaltimore]

Whoever said anything about using it to support a clean rider? I would be amazed if Froome was a clean rider. I suggested it as precedent for physiological data about a cyclist being published in a journal.

FFS, are you arguing that it did not go through peer review? The pdf clearly indicates that it was revised and resubmitted.

 

[42x16ss]

Re: Re:

The two TdF restdays are both outside France (ease of logistics) and both at altitude (biopass tests are discounted). Should make life a bit simpler for everyone. Rocket fuel next year. And no way do ASO let Froome take another one in a row. Gotta spread around the wealth.

Unless there's a joke in here that I am too dense to get, you might want to look where Bern actually is.

You tell us

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Re:

Whoever said anything about using it to support a clean rider? I would be amazed if Froome was a clean rider. I suggested it as precedent for physiological data about a cyclist being published in a journal.

FFS, are you arguing that it did not go through peer review? The pdf clearly indicates that it was revised and resubmitted.

That study is a travesty. A steaming pile of dog turd. To use it as evidence of anything shows a complete lack of understanding of the time it was produced and its contents, particularly as it pertains to Froome's current testing results and any desire / justification for publishing those results in a journal.

I have no idea where you get that idea from but a single data point -- this year -- of physiological testing done in a lab is useless in and of itself.

The far simpler answer is Team Sky and in particular Brailsford are full of ****.

 

[djpbaltimore]

Re: Re:

That study is a travesty. A steaming pile of dog turd. To use it as evidence of anything shows a complete lack of understanding of the time it was produced and its contents, particularly as it pertains to Froome's current testing results and any desire / justification for publishing those results in a journal.

I have no idea where you get that idea from but a single data point -- this year -- of physiological testing done in a lab is useless in and of itself.

The far simpler answer is Team Sky and in particular Brailsford are full of sht.

Nice deflection because you can't respond to my main point. I list you as one of the most informed posters in the forum, but this time you are way off base. I have been on both sides of the peer review system. As a reviewer, you don't know the motivations of the author, so that is beside the point. In every field of science, there are many articles that should be retracted and are not. Autism/vaccines is a great example of one that took over a decade to be fully retracted.

Armstrong is a perfect analogy because he was in the same boat as Froome is in now (i.e. a multiple TDF champion who was under a lot of scrutiny for doping and could use PR cover from an independent scientific analysis). For obvious reasons, data given out by SKY and Co are taken with a huge grain of salt. Peer reviewed publications gives the guise of legitimacy. Of course, they might just sweep it all under the carpet and blame Froome's injury.

As to the bolded, it is difficult to understand (comma meant after 'from'?)and I have no idea what you mean by 'that idea'. A longitudinal study over many years is superior, that is not debatable, nor have I ever claimed otherwise.

 

[roundabout]

Re: Re:

The two TdF restdays are both outside France (ease of logistics) and both at altitude (biopass tests are discounted). Should make life a bit simpler for everyone. Rocket fuel next year. And no way do ASO let Froome take another one in a row. Gotta spread around the wealth.

Unless there's a joke in here that I am too dense to get, you might want to look where Bern actually is.

You tell us

Emphasis added

 

[Brullnux]

Re: Re:

The two TdF restdays are both outside France (ease of logistics) and both at altitude (biopass tests are discounted). Should make life a bit simpler for everyone. Rocket fuel next year. And no way do ASO let Froome take another one in a row. Gotta spread around the wealth.

Unless there's a joke in here that I am too dense to get, you might want to look where Bern actually is.

You tell us

Emphasis added

It's at 550m isn't it? That's fairly high for a large European city

 

[roundabout]

And?

Or maybe people have been doing it wrong going to Tenerife, Livigno, Etna, Sankt Moritz and whatnot when altitude benefits actually start from 550 meters above mean sea level,

 

[doperhopper]

Re:

And?

Or maybe people have been doing it wrong going to Tenerife, Livigno, Etna, Sankt Moritz and whatnot when altitude benefits actually start from 550 meters above mean sea level,

Any hotel in the nearby mountains?

 

[thehog]

Check out Dawg!

What the F?!! He is goijg down the Lance route of getting very big, then dropping weight.

 

[TheSpud]

Check out Dawg!

What the F?!! He is goijg down the Lance route of getting very big, then dropping weight.

You on about his height, or his general size?

 

[GuyIncognito]

.....yes Spud, he's going to get shorter when the season starts. Like Armstrong.

 

[TheSpud]

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.....yes Spud, he's going to get shorter when the season starts. Like Armstrong.

These modern marginal gains ...

 

[GuyIncognito]

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.....yes Spud, he's going to get shorter when the season starts. Like Armstrong.

These modern marginal gains ...

Shorter = more aero. That's why Kenny Elissonde is the world's greatest time trialist

 

[TheSpud]

Re: Re:

.....yes Spud, he's going to get shorter when the season starts. Like Armstrong.

These modern marginal gains ...

Shorter = more aero. That's why Kenny Elissonde is the world's greatest time trialist

Christ he's shorter than me

 

[the sceptic]

Check out Dawg!

What the F?!! He is goijg down the Lance route of getting very big, then dropping weight.

I thought the secret to his success was to be out on his bike for 6 hours when everyone else is drinking coffee and having holidays.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Looks like the dawgue is having a relapse of the GSK badzillah medicines and he will be aiming for the Ardennes Triple instead of the Tour. Going from a Biafra child to Goliath and stuff.

Or, it coulld be I missed the Kenyan entrance at the World Cup rugby.

 

[GuyIncognito]

Re: Re:

.....yes Spud, he's going to get shorter when the season starts. Like Armstrong.

These modern marginal gains ...

Shorter = more aero. That's why Kenny Elissonde is the world's greatest time trialist

Christ he's shorter than me

Yes, Christ was around 4'11, as that was the average male height at the time based on remains found, and he is described in the bible as of average height

 

[More Strides than Rides]

Check out Dawg!

What the F?!! He is goijg down the Lance route of getting very big, then dropping weight.

...[/quote]

I thought the secret to his success was to be out on his bike for 6 hours when everyone else is drinking coffee and having holidays.[/quote]

He (or his staff) has said that his weight did not change within 1.5kg for all of 2013.

If I hadn't seen that photo in a cycling context, I would never have recognized it as Froome.

Edit: I was [url=http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/team-sky-releases-froomes-power-data/]wrong[/url]:

[quote]"His average weight over the two years is 68 kg (in the morning) with less than 900g variations...."[/quote]

I wonder what's with the change of program.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Check out Dawg!

What the F?!! He is goijg down the Lance route of getting very big, then dropping weight.

...[/quote]

I thought the secret to his success was to be out on his bike for 6 hours when everyone else is drinking coffee and having holidays.[/quote]

He (or his staff) has said that his weight did not change within 1.5kg for all of 2013.

If I hadn't seen that photo in a cycling context, I would never have recognized it as Froome.

Edit: I was [url=http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/team-sky-releases-froomes-power-data/]wrong[/url]:

[quote]"His average weight over the two years is 68 kg (in the morning) with less than 900g variations...."[/quote][/quote]
Ferrari estimated Froome's body fat % in 2014 to be 2-3%. Right now he looks "normal", so I would guess that's around 8-10%? That must be a lot of weight gain (for a climber)

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Check out Dawg!

What the F?!! He is goijg down the Lance route of getting very big, then dropping weight.

...[/quote]

I thought the secret to his success was to be out on his bike for 6 hours when everyone else is drinking coffee and having holidays.[/quote]

He (or his staff) has said that his weight did not change within 1.5kg for all of 2013.

If I hadn't seen that photo in a cycling context, I would never have recognized it as Froome.

Edit: I was [url=http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/team-sky-releases-froomes-power-data/]wrong[/url]:

[quote]"His average weight over the two years is 68 kg (in the morning) with less than 900g variations...."[/quote]

I wonder what's with the change of program.[/quote]

Not necessarily. I believe the data provided was all his in-race data, so the weight change only relates to his weight [i]while racing[/i]. Even then it was a very limited subset of post-2011 Vuelta.

 

[More Strides than Rides]

You're right. Article says only the data from 18 climbs.

 

[fmk_RoI]

Am I bovvered?

Froome: "If I had something to hide or I had some elaborate scheme going on then it would really bother me. It would be my whole world crashing down. But I don't have any skeletons in the closet, I don't have anything to genuinely be afraid of."

 

[Metabolol]

At 2% BF you would be dead. A competitive bodybuilder who is completely shredded might dip a shade under 4% BF for a day or two. But you will feel like *** and it's not a performance sport. There is no way that any cyclist competes at 3%BF. No freaking way.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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At 2% BF you would be dead. A competitive bodybuilder who is completely shredded might dip a shade under 4% BF for a day or two. But you will feel like **** and it's not a performance sport. There is no way that any cyclist competes at 3%BF. No freaking way.

Yes I am sure you know better that Il Dottore.