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[/quote]I am a cyclist. I have a cough. Does that make me a cyclist with a cough or an inhaler abuser?
Froome is a GT winner, therfore he is a doper is a far more meaningful assertion.[/quote]

Dont insult me by stating Froomes COUGH is not a topic
 
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LaFlorecita said:
Cycle Chic said:
mucus build up from milk is well known - I wouldnt think any cyclists drink the stuff. And that point doesnt add anything to the discussion on inhaler / steroid side effects
I think hog was suggesting a possible solution for John's 2-year old's asthma attacks.
That I was. Apparently you're not allowed to be friendly :cool:
 
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Since Vuelta is about to produce another overnight sensation just remembered that Froome was working hard on some physio tests some weeks ago. Where are the results?
Dude seriously. It takes weeks and months to analyse the data into a form that the general public can digest. Give it time. Give it time.
 
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Dear Wiggo said:
Rollthedice said:
Since Vuelta is about to produce another overnight sensation just remembered that Froome was working hard on some physio tests some weeks ago. Where are the results?
Dude seriously. It takes weeks and months to analyse the data into a form that the general public can digest. Give it time. Give it time.
See also, Paula Radcliffe - don't you know that the general public can't be trusted with DATA!
 
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Dear Wiggo said:
Rollthedice said:
Since Vuelta is about to produce another overnight sensation just remembered that Froome was working hard on some physio tests some weeks ago. Where are the results?
Dude seriously. It takes weeks and months to analyse the data into a form that the general public can digest. Give it time. Give it time.
Has Dawg released his data or did the moon landing never actually occur?
 
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heart_attack_man said:
Dear Wiggo said:
Rollthedice said:
Since Vuelta is about to produce another overnight sensation just remembered that Froome was working hard on some physio tests some weeks ago. Where are the results?
Dude seriously. It takes weeks and months to analyse the data into a form that the general public can digest. Give it time. Give it time.
See also, Paula Radcliffe - don't you know that the general public can't be trusted with DATA!
I fully expect Sky to do something like this, 'the public would not understand the data', but David Walsh will tell us it is all normal.
 
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It won't even come to that. Sky will never release the necessary data, it just isn't going to happen. They won't even talk about it because nobody will ask about it until next July, and by then it will be forgotten.
 
Looks like Froome's drug of choice is popular.


said he and former teammates Daniel Kerr and Ben Cousins took huge amounts of the asthma drug prednisone
FORMER West Coast star Daniel Chick has revealed that a toxic culture of illicit drug use was rife within the Eagles’ 2006 AFL premiership-winning team.

The revelations emerged just three days before the AFL grand final, the Eagles’ first since winning the flag nine years ago after beating the Sydney Swans by a single point.

Chick claimed in the Herald Sun on Thursday that he and former teammates Daniel Kerr and Ben Cousins took massive doses of asthma drug prednisone in a pattern experts describe as bizarre and inappropriate.

He revealed in the report that a club staffer hid certain players from drug testers, that a former Eagles figure dished out sedatives in bulk to players and that the use of cocaine, ecstasy and methamphetamine were widespread in the squad.

Chick also said some players would snort crushed Xanax and take Valium with vodka to relax on flights to and from Perth.

Prednisone use is banned under anti-doping rules, unless cleared by a special ASADA medical committee. Chick said Cousins, Kerr, and himself, who were asthmatic, had this approval.

However, he would only ever take the drug during the season, on game days, and with other stimulants.

“I couldn’t even sit still on the bench,” Chick said.

“I started taking the 20mgs and 5mgs tablets on game day but then it escalated up to 40 to 50mgs quickly.

“It smashes your system. I’ve since read a lot about it, we didn’t know what was done to us. You feel bulletproof basically. “Even the next day or two you wouldn’t feel knocks but by Wednesday you flatten out and it is hard to get going again. Once you are in that cycle it was like an addiction.”

Chick said he’d gone public with the story as he wanted senior figures to be made more accountable for their players’ health. “What went on at West Coast is due to lack of leadership from the top down,” he said.

“Players’ health should be more important than protecting the brand ... I don’t think the premiership is tainted but it came at too high a price.”
 
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Dear Wiggo said:
Yeah that's a bit of a jolt given the Essendon fiasco.
I feel sorry for a lot of those guys at the Eagles.

Matt Barber who was also coaching Dean Capobianco who was busted for steroids twice in sprinting was their weight coach. They got very big in the mid 90's in the space of one year and fast!
 
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thehog said:
Dear Wiggo said:
Yeah that's a bit of a jolt given the Essendon fiasco.
I feel sorry for a lot of those guys at the Eagles.

Matt Barber who was also coaching Dean Capobianco who was busted for steroids twice in sprinting was their weight coach. They got very big in the mid 90's in the space of one year and fast!
Interestingly there was a bit of a groundswell in the junior ranks against the drug culture that was in the Eagles at the time. A number of the younger players suggested that they weren't going to renew if things didn't change, resulting in the Cousins move to Richmond.

Cousins is messed up for life now, I can't see a happy end for him. Too many of the wrong people took advantage of him from a very young age and he was too naïve to see it :(
 
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42x16ss said:
thehog said:
Dear Wiggo said:
Yeah that's a bit of a jolt given the Essendon fiasco.
I feel sorry for a lot of those guys at the Eagles.

Matt Barber who was also coaching Dean Capobianco who was busted for steroids twice in sprinting was their weight coach. They got very big in the mid 90's in the space of one year and fast!
Interestingly there was a bit of a groundswell in the junior ranks against the drug culture that was in the Eagles at the time. A number of the younger players suggested that they weren't going to renew if things didn't change, resulting in the Cousins move to Richmond.

Cousins is messed up for life now, I can't see a happy end for him. Too many of the wrong people took advantage of him from a very young age and he was too naïve to see it :(
Cuz now has servere mental problems. He was caught in a slow speed police chase thinking the mafia were after his family. He was on prednisone from age 17. The way he used to smash through the packs with no fear was a sight to behold. But all that talent mixed with a no fear drug took its toll. 90% of the team was loaded and had a secondary drug problem outside the club. $900,000 a year at age 21 will do that. Very sad indeed.

Chick lost his wife and hasn't seen his kids in years and is broke. Mainwearing OD'd, Turely got out and went backpacking for 10 years, some are now involved with underworld criminals. The list goes on...
 
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thehog said:
42x16ss said:
thehog said:
Dear Wiggo said:
Yeah that's a bit of a jolt given the Essendon fiasco.
I feel sorry for a lot of those guys at the Eagles.

Matt Barber who was also coaching Dean Capobianco who was busted for steroids twice in sprinting was their weight coach. They got very big in the mid 90's in the space of one year and fast!
Interestingly there was a bit of a groundswell in the junior ranks against the drug culture that was in the Eagles at the time. A number of the younger players suggested that they weren't going to renew if things didn't change, resulting in the Cousins move to Richmond.

Cousins is messed up for life now, I can't see a happy end for him. Too many of the wrong people took advantage of him from a very young age and he was too naïve to see it :(
Cuz now has servere mental problems. He was caught in a slow speed police chase thinking the mafia were after his family. He was on prednisone from age 17. The way he used to smash through the packs with no fear was a sight to behold. But all that talent mixed with a no fear drug took its toll. 90% of the team was loaded and had a secondary drug problem outside the club. $900,000 a year at age 21 will do that. Very sad indeed.

Chick lost his wife and hasn't seen his kids in years and is broke. Mainwearing OD'd, Turely got out and went backpacking for 10 years, some are now involved with underworld criminals. The list goes on...
There is a picture of Cousins in his year with Richmond - the muscle and vascularity he had achieved in six months, from the time they had signed him in his year out to that point, was ridiculous.

I feel sorry for Cousins - it's not going to end well. So many efforts at getting clean. But like you said, he's been friends with well known criminals for years.
I've taken prednisone for two weeks and it's unreal. You'd go through a wall and mentally you are feeling it also - but when I finished the course of it all I wanted to do was sleep.
 
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mrhender said:
wendybnt said:
Just to be sure I understand.

What is the interesting part?

All I read is a lot of if's, maybe's and could be's...
About as interesting as when McQuaid was going to test the Giro samples for CERA, then he wasn't and then he never did...

UCI president Pat McQuaid drew a storm of criticism earlier this week when he seemed to indicate that he was against re-testing rider's doping control samples with newly developed tests. Cyclingnews sought clarification from McQuaid, who stated that the UCI does not oppose retesting if the circumstances are right.

"What I was asked is if the UCI are now going to test all of the samples of the Vuelta, all of the samples of the Giro, and all the samples of the 2007 Tour de France, because the AFLD retroactively tested samples from this year and found CERA there?" he said. "My answer was no to that.

"In principle, the UCI supports the idea of retroactive testing, and we always have done that. But it has got to be based on good information, either on suspicion in terms of [sudden] excellent performances, on information that would for example come from the biological passport, or information that will come from people in the field in relation to a particular individual. Then we would both target that individual, and also we would do some retroactive testing of samples which we might have."

McQuaid said that such retesting would require samples to be in good condition, and also to provide for a 'B' sample. He said that any testing undertaken for research purposes was off limits, due to the different handling involved. "If the sample was taken for research purposes, then you cannot test because the chain of custody and the protocol is completely different for the two types of samples. Therefore you can't use that to look into an anti-doping rule violation. All of this is quite complicated, and it is not something that you can just decide to take a blanket decision on."
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/uci-wants-2008-giro-samples-re-tested-for-cera/
 
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wendybnt said:
mrhender said:
wendybnt said:
Just to be sure I understand.

What is the interesting part?

All I read is a lot of if's, maybe's and could be's...
I didn't say it is interesting. I said it could be interesting.

All sorts of possibilities arise from this. Not least that WADA demand a retest.
This will amount to nothing. The clowns running the UCI are too soft and incompetent.
 
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wendybnt said:
mrhender said:
wendybnt said:
Just to be sure I understand.

What is the interesting part?

All I read is a lot of if's, maybe's and could be's...
I didn't say it is interesting. I said it could be interesting.

All sorts of possibilities arise from this. Not least that WADA demand a retest.
Anything can/could be interesting.

Reading the article, and highlighting some of it below -I see very little potential.

in case retrospective analysis is required,
was subject to innuendo and allegation, all unsubstantiated
keen to guard against drug cheats if technology develops
The UCI, the CADF and the AFLD have agreed to keep the samples for potential retrospective analyses in the future
for potential retrospective analyses
Not that promising to me.
But I'am probably not too optimistic first place.
 
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Dazed and Confused said:
wendybnt said:
mrhender said:
wendybnt said:
Just to be sure I understand.

What is the interesting part?

All I read is a lot of if's, maybe's and could be's...
I didn't say it is interesting. I said it could be interesting.

All sorts of possibilities arise from this. Not least that WADA demand a retest.
This will amount to nothing. The clowns running the UCI are too soft and incompetent.
The usual Cookson posturing. He has let off more drugs users than any other president prior to him.
 
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Strictly speaking the article is correct about allegations against Froome being unsubstantiated. Unsubstantiated means no material evidence to support the allegation has been provided. It doesn't mean the allegations are false, it just means there is, at present, nothing substantial enough to prove them. I think most of us here have our suspicions, but that is what they are at present. If the allegations had been substantiated then there would be nothing to talk about. It would be game over for Froome.

I find that in itself interesting as the implication is that retrospective testing could provide substance to the allegations. I notice that it isn't just the UCI that are holding samples, but a positive move would be for the UCI to surrender their samples to a truly independent body. As for technology developing, we had nearly 15 years of rampant EPO use before a test was developed, and yet a test was developed and people were caught. Armstrong was identified in retrospective tests......not much use as he had already been charged, but at least it shows the potential.

I understand the cynicism, however.
 

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