This is me. I am so weary of the whole charade. It's not enjoyable to watch on any level. The fact the UKAD investigation seems to have disappeared into the long grass along with the select committee...kind of looks like they'll all get away with it.jilbiker said:Indeed it is, at least to me. i cannot continue to watch or follow the sport at the pro level, at least not with the passion of before. Its really ridiculous. I thought about FloJo and her ridiculous records that stand till today and how she got away with it, one aspect of athletics that saddens me and then I thought about Froome and his getting away with it. Winning multiple GTs including 2 in a year is getting away with it. Its comparable to 7 TDFs by LA. An in your face move.Marco Pantani said:Allowing this clown to keep winning on his motorbike is a complete farce, cycling is dead.
Many posts from you make me feel like you post rationally and logically, but then posts like this just make me realise you simply have an agenda against Froome and will try and shape anything into suspicion against him.Benotti69 said:Into a headwind and given he's done the TdF as well, but lets not get ahead of ourselves.......miguelindurain111 said:Yeah, 7 secs faster than mountain goat Dumoulin in 2015 :lol:Benotti69 said:Froome sets a new best time on Puig Llorenca. Another insane performance in Spain, Chris around 7 w/kg!
http://www.climbing-records.com/2017/08/froome-new-best-time-on-puig-llorenca.html
A circus.![]()
Valid.Electress said:This is me. I am so weary of the whole charade. It's not enjoyable to watch on any level. The fact the UKAD investigation seems to have disappeared into the long grass along with the select committee...kind of looks like they'll all get away with it.jilbiker said:Indeed it is, at least to me. i cannot continue to watch or follow the sport at the pro level, at least not with the passion of before. Its really ridiculous. I thought about FloJo and her ridiculous records that stand till today and how she got away with it, one aspect of athletics that saddens me and then I thought about Froome and his getting away with it. Winning multiple GTs including 2 in a year is getting away with it. Its comparable to 7 TDFs by LA. An in your face move.Marco Pantani said:Allowing this clown to keep winning on his motorbike is a complete farce, cycling is dead.
I can't help wondering just how much they want? Froome a level above GC leaders who don't have the Tour in their legs? Just how much more of the shoving our face in it do they want?
On what do you base this is believable? The guy couldn't make the time cut in the Giro without cheating in 2009...PremierAndrew said:Many posts from you make me feel like you post rationally and logically, but then posts like this just make me realise you simply have an agenda against Froome and will try and shape anything into suspicion against him.Benotti69 said:Into a headwind and given he's done the TdF as well, but lets not get ahead of ourselves.......miguelindurain111 said:Yeah, 7 secs faster than mountain goat Dumoulin in 2015 :lol:Benotti69 said:Froome sets a new best time on Puig Llorenca. Another insane performance in Spain, Chris around 7 w/kg!
http://www.climbing-records.com/2017/08/froome-new-best-time-on-puig-llorenca.html
A circus.![]()
There was a headwind back in 2015, but they all started and stopped like a million times up the climb two years ago, compared to this year where Sky rode a steady pace all the way up.
7W/kg for 10 minutes is more than believable
There's really no point in debating any of it, is there? Just giving up on the sport altogether.PremierAndrew said:Valid.Electress said:This is me. I am so weary of the whole charade. It's not enjoyable to watch on any level. The fact the UKAD investigation seems to have disappeared into the long grass along with the select committee...kind of looks like they'll all get away with it.jilbiker said:Indeed it is, at least to me. i cannot continue to watch or follow the sport at the pro level, at least not with the passion of before. Its really ridiculous. I thought about FloJo and her ridiculous records that stand till today and how she got away with it, one aspect of athletics that saddens me and then I thought about Froome and his getting away with it. Winning multiple GTs including 2 in a year is getting away with it. Its comparable to 7 TDFs by LA. An in your face move.Marco Pantani said:Allowing this clown to keep winning on his motorbike is a complete farce, cycling is dead.
I can't help wondering just how much they want? Froome a level above GC leaders who don't have the Tour in their legs? Just how much more of the shoving our face in it do they want?
Except the only real contender who didn't do the Tour is Nibali...
What a great sport it could have been, cycling. Pre-EPO, it was watchable. With the super PEDs and the long-standing joke of an oversight structure, it's just a bad joke, not really funny, more like irrelevant. I'm done with it.Electress said:This is me. I am so weary of the whole charade. It's not enjoyable to watch on any level. The fact the UKAD investigation seems to have disappeared into the long grass along with the select committee...kind of looks like they'll all get away with it.jilbiker said:Indeed it is, at least to me. i cannot continue to watch or follow the sport at the pro level, at least not with the passion of before. Its really ridiculous. I thought about FloJo and her ridiculous records that stand till today and how she got away with it, one aspect of athletics that saddens me and then I thought about Froome and his getting away with it. Winning multiple GTs including 2 in a year is getting away with it. Its comparable to 7 TDFs by LA. An in your face move.Marco Pantani said:Allowing this clown to keep winning on his motorbike is a complete farce, cycling is dead.
I can't help wondering just how much they want? Froome a level above GC leaders who don't have the Tour in their legs? Just how much more of the shoving our face in it do they want?
Dont worry I am sure Contador will 'come' good after all he was only 12s behind todayEl Pistolero said:On what do you base this is believable? The guy couldn't make the time cut in the Giro without cheating in 2009...PremierAndrew said:Many posts from you make me feel like you post rationally and logically, but then posts like this just make me realise you simply have an agenda against Froome and will try and shape anything into suspicion against him.Benotti69 said:Into a headwind and given he's done the TdF as well, but lets not get ahead of ourselves.......miguelindurain111 said:Yeah, 7 secs faster than mountain goat Dumoulin in 2015 :lol:Benotti69 said:Froome sets a new best time on Puig Llorenca. Another insane performance in Spain, Chris around 7 w/kg!
http://www.climbing-records.com/2017/08/froome-new-best-time-on-puig-llorenca.html
A circus.![]()
There was a headwind back in 2015, but they all started and stopped like a million times up the climb two years ago, compared to this year where Sky rode a steady pace all the way up.
7W/kg for 10 minutes is more than believable
Exactamundo. Dumoulin was not scraping the bottom of a WT team barrel then suddenly boom 2nd at LaVuelta that Froome should've won!!!!El Pistolero said:On what do you base this is believable? The guy couldn't make the time cut in the Giro without cheating in 2009...PremierAndrew said:Many posts from you make me feel like you post rationally and logically, but then posts like this just make me realise you simply have an agenda against Froome and will try and shape anything into suspicion against him.Benotti69 said:Into a headwind and given he's done the TdF as well, but lets not get ahead of ourselves.......miguelindurain111 said:Yeah, 7 secs faster than mountain goat Dumoulin in 2015 :lol:Benotti69 said:Froome sets a new best time on Puig Llorenca. Another insane performance in Spain, Chris around 7 w/kg!
http://www.climbing-records.com/2017/08/froome-new-best-time-on-puig-llorenca.html
A circus.![]()
There was a headwind back in 2015, but they all started and stopped like a million times up the climb two years ago, compared to this year where Sky rode a steady pace all the way up.
7W/kg for 10 minutes is more than believable
I can't watch either. It is just so depressing.MartinGT said:I will never watch another Tour or Vuelta etc that has the Dawg in. His sucked the life out racing for me. It's a bigger circus than Armstrong and that takes some beating.
I cannot though see a day where the truth will come out with him.
If Cookson loses the election you might see a change but that is unlikely to occur...veganrob said:I can't watch either. It is just so depressing.MartinGT said:I will never watch another Tour or Vuelta etc that has the Dawg in. His sucked the life out racing for me. It's a bigger circus than Armstrong and that takes some beating.
I cannot though see a day where the truth will come out with him.
+1veganrob said:I can't watch either. It is just so depressing.MartinGT said:I will never watch another Tour or Vuelta etc that has the Dawg in. His sucked the life out racing for me. It's a bigger circus than Armstrong and that takes some beating.
I cannot though see a day where the truth will come out with him.
Froome has utterly been produced in the laboratory. Sky represents the total dehumanization of the sport, in favor of techne and financial resources. Throw 35 million euros per year and the Murdoch propaganda machine into it and you can fabricate superman much better than can Mother Nature. Or, as others have put it, transform a donkey into a racehorse. The ludic aspect of sport has given way to a coprorate dominance farce. And the fact that there is a British president of the UCI, lets us know where the vested interests of the sport lie and thus who gets designated as its new poster boy and show window team.Electress said:I don't know why Sky fans / apologists always get into 'other riders are doping too'. I don't think there are many on here who are naive about the sport they are watching. But there is something different about Sky - it goes beyond greed into insatiate rapacity. The BS, the cash-in books, the flagrant lies, the absurd transformations of doms into contenders; the performances which defy reason and logic, even the awful 'Porte-a-cabins' and 'Hubs'. It's not just winning, its the need to dominate on all fronts. I find it truly abhorrent. It's the same quality that Armstrong had - whatever he did, it wasn't enough, and ultimately, it led to his downfall. I can only hope that this will end the same way, but I fear not - IMO, the crux of the matter is that SDB knows where the 2012 olympic games bodies are buried, and no one really wants to go there.
If everyone do it, then the wealthiest do it best, can it be that simple?Electress said:I don't know why Sky fans / apologists always get into 'other riders are doping too'. I don't think there are many on here who are naive about the sport they are watching. But there is something different about Sky - it goes beyond greed into insatiate rapacity. The BS, the cash-in books, the flagrant lies, the absurd transformations of doms into contenders; the performances which defy reason and logic, even the awful 'Porte-a-cabins' and 'Hubs'. It's not just winning, its the need to dominate on all fronts. I find it truly abhorrent. It's the same quality that Armstrong had - whatever he did, it wasn't enough, and ultimately, it led to his downfall. I can only hope that this will end the same way, but I fear not - IMO, the crux of the matter is that SDB knows where the 2012 olympic games bodies are buried, and no one really wants to go there.
Electress said:I don't know why Sky fans / apologists always get into 'other riders are doping too'. I don't think there are many on here who are naive about the sport they are watching. But there is something different about Sky - it goes beyond greed into insatiate rapacity. The BS, the cash-in books, the flagrant lies, the absurd transformations of doms into contenders; the performances which defy reason and logic, even the awful 'Porte-a-cabins' and 'Hubs'. It's not just winning, its the need to dominate on all fronts. I find it truly abhorrent. It's the same quality that Armstrong had - whatever he did, it wasn't enough, and ultimately, it led to his downfall. I can only hope that this will end the same way, but I fear not - IMO, the crux of the matter is that SDB knows where the 2012 olympic games bodies are buried, and no one really wants to go there.
Dominating market shares and dynamizing corporate egos. The problem with all of this is that the techincal and economic considerations have taken over to such a degree, that it's killed even any modicum of the remnants of a human side to not only the sport, but the athletes themesleves.S2Sturges said:Electress said:I don't know why Sky fans / apologists always get into 'other riders are doping too'. I don't think there are many on here who are naive about the sport they are watching. But there is something different about Sky - it goes beyond greed into insatiate rapacity. The BS, the cash-in books, the flagrant lies, the absurd transformations of doms into contenders; the performances which defy reason and logic, even the awful 'Porte-a-cabins' and 'Hubs'. It's not just winning, its the need to dominate on all fronts. I find it truly abhorrent. It's the same quality that Armstrong had - whatever he did, it wasn't enough, and ultimately, it led to his downfall. I can only hope that this will end the same way, but I fear not - IMO, the crux of the matter is that SDB knows where the 2012 olympic games bodies are buried, and no one really wants to go there.
All this makes me wonder exactly what Sky's agenda is for the sport, it's more than just being the only real winning team in cycling. Now, with what seems that the UKAD report has been quietly put in the bottom drawer, there is no real obstacle to stop the team from spinning whatever sound bites they wish to justify their"unbelievable" performances, however they are obtaining them, along with probable UCI collusion.
Say they win every Grand Tour and many of the one day classics, what happens... most people will just switch off, when every second shot is that of SKY massed at the front and everyone else going backwards.. It's killing the sport, period.. Is there a end game the Murdochs have..? I just can't figure out what SKY, the management or the owners are up to...
Considering we all know that Bennoti had as many anti Contador posts in the leadup to Contador's ban as anyone else, and even had an anti contador signature for years, when bigcog tries to taunt/dismiss benoti as a contador fan, isn't that trolling?bigcog said:Dont worry I am sure Contador will 'come' good after all he was only 12s behind todayEl Pistolero said:On what do you base this is believable? The guy couldn't make the time cut in the Giro without cheating in 2009...PremierAndrew said:Many posts from you make me feel like you post rationally and logically, but then posts like this just make me realise you simply have an agenda against Froome and will try and shape anything into suspicion against him.Benotti69 said:Into a headwind and given he's done the TdF as well, but lets not get ahead of ourselves.......miguelindurain111 said:Yeah, 7 secs faster than mountain goat Dumoulin in 2015 :lol:![]()
There was a headwind back in 2015, but they all started and stopped like a million times up the climb two years ago, compared to this year where Sky rode a steady pace all the way up.
7W/kg for 10 minutes is more than believable![]()
Its hilarious to watch him do this well in the Vuelta though.MartinGT said:I will never watch another Tour or Vuelta etc that has the Dawg in. His sucked the life out racing for me. It's a bigger circus than Armstrong and that takes some beating.
I cannot though see a day where the truth will come out with him.