Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[Don't be late Pedro]

Sounds like you are.

One only needs to look at Froome's results at the time to fully understand why he placed where he was.

No one saw even the slightest sign of talent. He was a chump.

Quite so but that still does not change the fact that there is no indication Froome's (or many of the other riders) point(s) on that graph is(are) wholly accurate.

 

[ebandit]

hard

don't be so hard on froomey.............remember he is giving the clinic...
.............credibility

not seen such a deluge of posting since the reasoned decision was announced

Mark L

ps may i never see that graph of riders career paths EVER again

it is an APPROXIMATION of an IDEA of brailsford............nothing more

 

[thehog]

Quite so but that still does not change the fact that there is no indication Froome's (or many of the other riders) point(s) on that graph is(are) wholly accurate.

Zzzzzzz.

Maybe Brailsford can do a new graph? I wonder where Froome would be placed now?

Mutant?

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

Sagan was how old? West ham told shevchenko he was **** when he was 15. Not the same thing as not rating someone when they are in their mid 20's

See Bergkamp at Inter.
And, being a West Ham supporter, it would not surprise me if they would have gotten rid of both Messi and Neymar because they could not play route one football.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

Zzzzzzz.

A well thought out argument for you Hoggy. Good to see being 'Town and Gown' was not wasted on you.

 

[zastomito]

Quite so but that still does not change the fact that there is no indication Froome's (or many of the other riders) point(s) on that graph is(are) wholly accurate.

It must be accurate to some degree. If he was mid-pack inaccurate it still would be hard to swallow but bottom-to-top inaccurate is laughable. Or Brailsfor was actually talking about their potential to play for MUTD one day.

 

[roundabout]

Ok a minute on Ten Dam isn't much, but LtD had a superday.

However everyone disregarding Mollema as some sort of suprise. He's a former Tour l'Avenir winner, had a lot more going for him as Porte or Froome as potential GC rider. Yet somehow is a suprise for most people (everyone seeing Mollema's result the past years should've seen it coming sooner or later that he'd be top 5 material at some point)

I am not going to say anything about the opposition of that race, but it was a medium mountain edition.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Sagan was how old? West ham told shevchenko he was **** when he was 15. Not the same thing as not rating someone when they are in their mid 20's


Too far. That would just be unpleasant for unpleasant sake. Cound is hardly the mastermind behind this.

If she was the mastermind sky would've been caught a long time ago.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

It must be accurate to some degree. If he was mid-pack inaccurate it still would be hard to swallow but bottom-to-top inaccurate is laughable. Or Brailsfor was actually talking about their potential to play for MUTD one day.

Sure but all I am saying is that we don't know to what degree it is correct. An people already treating it as fact. It might be very accurate. But then again it might not.
That said I don't think people need a graph to see where Froome was according to his results and where he is now.

 

[Benotti69]

Sure but all I am saying is that we don't know to what degree it is correct. An people already treating it as fact. It might be very accurate. But then again it might not.
That said I don't think people need a graph to see where Froome was according to his results and where he is now.

Is that as close as you are going to get to saying that you really dont believe what you saw Froome do on the last climb to Ax-3 was natural?

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEGpv0xn0E8&feature=player_embedded

Froome 4 years ago at 7:50

Totally believable transformation

 

[Benotti69]

Really got to laugh, now Kennaugh spewing BS

Peter Kennaugh, who won gold in the team pursuit at London 2012......., put it best.

"He's the most consistent rider I've ever seen in my life. An incredible physical guy. The way he goes uphill is amazing. The way he controls his effort – he is very logical in what he does, not emotional, his attacks are very precise and he knows if he is able to hold and sustain that power."

So consistent that he went up hills sideways before and now he goes uphill like the famous dopers of recent times.

So consistent that Sky were not going to renew his contract.

So consistent for a guy who allegedly has a blood disease.

Come one people, we are not going to swallow this.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

Is that as close as you are going to get to saying that you really dont believe what you saw Froome do on the last climb to Ax-3 was natural?

For all my posts have you ever seen me say that what Froome is doing is natural?

 

[The Hitch]

Ok a minute on Ten Dam isn't much, but LtD had a superday.

However everyone disregarding Mollema as some sort of suprise. He's a former Tour l'Avenir winner, had a lot more going for him as Porte or Froome as potential GC rider. Yet somehow is a suprise for most people (everyone seeing Mollema's result the past years should've seen it coming sooner or later that he'd be top 5 material at some point)

Yep. Whatsmore the sky defenders who say that froome is ok because he beat mollema by only 1 min 20 are not ony being ignorant but selfish. They demand that froome be allowed to improve but won't let mollema improve.

 

[Alphabet]

No it was not. It's the assessment of the journalist who wrote the article. Which is still a not-insignificant point since it shows what other people who are familiar with the sport thought about Froome before the Vuelta '11, but it's not the point you'd like it to be. The graph is very funny anyway, even without lying about it, so please don't.

The graph clearly states that there was some sort of analysis performed by Brailsford, meaning that his findings from that analysis were extrapolated and plotted on the graph. Sure it might not be 100% accurate but in my book it's as good as a word from the horse's mouth itself. At any rate, you don't need a personal endorsement from Brailsford to say that around 2010-11 Froome was a barely mediocre cyclist. That's common knowledge.

(Brits French cycling Ashes WTF is that BS ?! Whoever posted that do run along to the Guardian cycling forum or somewhere else ignorance is power)

Funnily enough, it was on comments sections of UK based newspapers that I read comments that compared the Tour to the Ashes last year. I never intended for my post to come across that the hardcore British cycling fan thinks anything of the sort; instead, I was talking about the Johnny Come Lately's and the July Fans.

 

[Chaddy]

Really got to laugh, now Kennaugh spewing BS



So consistent that he went up hills sideways before and now he goes uphill like the famous dopers of recent times.

So consistent that Sky were not going to renew his contract.

So consistent for a guy who allegedly has a blood disease.

Come one people, we are not going to swallow this.

Serious question, is there no way someone can improve with specific and more organized training? At what point/age do you reach before you can show no improvement?

 

[GreasyMonkey]

I don't think they are done yet. A nice crash or delay...well we'd really see Sky let the full bottle out. Hopefully that happens!

The Dawg still has to negotiate Col de Manse descent into Gap at the end of stage 16, amongst others - Maybe they will have a nice cool wet day for that.....

 

[shakey88]

sky haters

Dear oh dear you guys really should go out and ride your bikes more,try and get rid of all that bitterness that's eating you up inside.
After all,you don't actually know anything,it's all suspicion and supposition.
If anyone from sky get's caught for doping then fair play,jump all over them.I'll be there with you.But until then all this endless,hate filled rhetoric seems a bit pointless to me.Save your energy for riding your bikes,enjoy the scenery and don't take things so seriously!
That's my ten bobs worth

 

[Alphabet]

I don't dare presume to speak for every skeptic, but I'm certainly no Sky hater. I quite like guys like Uran and Henao and even Froome himself (unlike Lord Wiggo, the Dawg comes across as a genuinely nice guy). But just because I like them, it doesn't mean that I can't doubt them.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Serious question, is there no way someone can improve with specific and more organized training? At what point/age do you reach before you can show no improvement?

Of course, but that Froome improved was not what raised eyebrows, it was the nature of the improvement: to a level that about three people including his mother thought he could reach, and overnight. The levels of improvement by riders at Sky have been sudden and often severe.

 

[darwin553]

Serious question, is there no way someone can improve with specific and more organized training? At what point/age do you reach before you can show no improvement?

There are plenty of examples in world sport where the initial, mediocre sportsperson have been able to rise to the top based on hard work and structured training programs.

 

[hrotha]

There are plenty of examples in world sport where the initial, mediocre sportsperson have been able to rise to the top based on hard work and structured training programs.

Name some, from cycling.

 

[The Hitch]

Of course, but that Froome improved was not what raised eyebrows, it was the nature of the improvement: to a level that no one thought was possible not just for Froome but for any cyclist.

Fixed it for you.

 

[darwin553]

Name some, from cycling.

Surely you jest. Next question.

 

[rata de sentina]

Dear oh dear you guys really should go out and ride your bikes more

That's a new one