Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[BYOP88]

So he's 2 for 2 against the dpvam (2002-2007 GT podium finishers) and absolutely destroying the pvam (2008-2012 GT podium finishers).

Nothing to see here.

I'm guessing he'll be hitting 1.000 after Alpe d'Huez.

 

[131313]

So Froome did 5.88 w/kg? Hardly smoking gun is it?

I must have missed something. Was there a hillclimb TT up Ventoux today?

w/kg over the whole climb doesn't mean much, since it actually a bike race, not a TT. He's not going to ride faster than he needs to ride, until he goes all in. They don't give medals for how fast you go, just how much time you put on the people around you. The time gaps he put into the other riders is startling.

 

[roundabout]

Hmm, top-10 beat the pvam. Maybe the weather was better than I thought or being in a group helped.

 

[Benotti69]

Greg Henderson must have been riding on a different Ventoux as the TV images clearly showed a head to cross wind.

Greg Henderson ‏@Greghenderson1

Tailwind up the whole climb helped my watts per kilo guys so don't go getting too impressed by my time up Ventoux.

Good man Henderson spew omerta.

 

[happychappy]

Yes, your bias is obvious to me as well. I focus on statistics and facts, you clearly don't like that.

Or can you actually come up with a retort that invalidates the statistical difference?

You pick and choose "statistics and facts" to support your biased argument. Contador is a convicted doper who has beaten Cancellara in a TT. At least Froome had the sense to back off a bit in this years TDF TT.

This reinforces the point.

But those two were primarily climbers. Froome started out as a TT specialist.

Froome has the body of Chicken, but he rides like Lance.

So many facts.

 

[murali]

The flags were stiff like tin sheets, barely fluttering. The best kind of cross wind(into the rider) and headwind to cruise through the climb

 

[luckyboy]

Greg Henderson must have been riding on a different Ventoux as the TV images clearly showed a head to cross wind.


Good man Henderson spew omerta.

Henderson (tailwind) was 30 minutes behind Ten Dam (headwind on the open section, so wind might've changed a bit?

 

[murali]

You pick and choose "statistics and facts" to support your biased argument. Contador is a convicted doper who has beaten Cancellara in a TT. At least Froome had the sense to back off a bit in this years TDF TT.



So many facts.

Nice way to say Froome is doping.

 

[MrRoboto]

And lets not forget that they rode over 200 kms in quite high speed before they hit the climb.

 

[Franklin]

You pick and choose "statistics and facts" to support your biased argument. Contador is a convicted doper who has beaten Cancellara in a TT. At least Froome had the sense to back off a bit in this years TDF TT.

LMAO... what the h?

Point out where I defend Contador or say he's clean? How big do you want this strawman to be????

All I said is that Chris is more all round than AC ever was and showed the irrefutable facts. Oh and I also love that you put quotation marks around "facts and statistics" implicating they aren't facts... hilarious as you and me both know they are indeed facts, we can look them up if you want?

So many facts.

Yes, I wonder if you will come up with some?

You are really up in this war aren't you? If you hate Froome you must love Contador? It's a bit sad for you that everyone can read my posts and see I never even remotely said that so it's all a waste of time.

God I hate stupid strawmen.

 

[Carlo Algatrensig]

Greg Henderson must have been riding on a different Ventoux as the TV images clearly showed a head to cross wind.



Good man Henderson spew omerta.

Depends which part of the climb you are on. The first 3/4 of it runs in a roughly easterly direction the last 1/4 is in a roughly north westerly direction so if the wind was from the west it would have been a tail wind for more of the climb than it was head wind.

 

[murali]

What is with this quintana-must-also-be-doping argument?
Do certain social elements have posting assistants here?

 

[Franklin]

What is with this quintana-must-also-be-doping argument?
Do certain social elements have posting assistants here?

It's obviously okay if others dope too.

Well at least those postsers have dropped all pretense that they think Froomey is clean.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Froome was more than 2 minutes faster than predicted by pvam and 10 seconds faster than dpvam at the end of a 240 km stage ridden faster than the fastest predicted avg speed.

There's no set-in-stone, magical limit (6 W/kg) that can be applied to any performance. Why is it so f-in hard for people to put an estimated W/kg in context? You see this in the replies to vetooo's estimates. 6.1 for 20 minutes at low altitude? "Incredible!" 5.9 for 50 minutes on the Ventoux? "Below 6, not suspicious at all!"

Unbelievable!

Well said.
And hey, since everyone must be under the 5.88w'kg estimate then everyones clean, shut The Clinic - we won.

I looked at who he was with and how they all responded - Froome went from 7km out. That in itself is crazy. It was like watching Rasmussen in 2007.

 

[Grayguard]

It's obviously okay if others dope too.

Well at least those postsers have dropped all pretense that they think Froomey is clean.

They are more or less all doping ofcourse. The question is it to what extend... clearly Sky either has some superior dope, or they're confident they wont get "caught".

Example: If you should compare Froome's feat today with any previous TdF, not mentioning known dopers become neigh impossible.

 

[Bexon30]

Depends which part of the climb you are on. The first 3/4 of it runs in a roughly easterly direction the last 1/4 is in a roughly north westerly direction so if the wind was from the west it would have been a tail wind for more of the climb than it was head wind.

I was there and went up the whole climb wind only really acts upon the final 7~ km

 

[Bala Verde]

Well said.
And hey, since everyone must be under the 5.88w'kg estimate then everyones clean, shut The Clinic - we won.

I looked at who he was with and how they all responded - Froome went from 7km out. That in itself is crazy. It was like watching Rasmussen in 2007.

Lol. The way he accelerated made me think of the Rasmussen contador duel in 07 (?).

 

[Benotti69]

Henderson (tailwind) was 30 minutes behind Ten Dam (headwind on the open section, so wind might've changed a bit?

Depends which part of the climb you are on. The first 3/4 of it runs in a roughly easterly direction the last 1/4 is in a roughly north westerly direction so if the wind was from the west it would have been a tail wind for more of the climb than it was head wind.

Then aint he the idiot for tweeting such a thing and it belies his real intention. Obfuscation.

 

[Grayguard]

History speaks

How many riders/teams have defended themselves with superior Scientific/professional training methods, previous medical problems etc.

How many of these have since turned out to be doped?

- So why are these still valid arguments?

 

[Stetoe]

Do any of the pro-Froome guys take into account the 200 km+ of full speed cycling that went before the climb? Are those irrelevant?

 

[murali]

It's obviously okay if others dope too.

But why are people comparing apples and oranges?
I mean quintana was alone for a very long time. i think he had gained an adv of 47s while kannaugh was leading. Froome was protected till he attacked contador. Also, Quintana never attacked Froome.(atleast while i was watching tv) He was only marking Froome's attacks. Froome made an inhuman effort by taking effectively 1:15 on Quintana.
So where is the argument for others doping coming from.

Is froome some sort of a climbing prodigy?

 

[the sceptic]

Froome is the new Pantani and Indurain in the same body. not bad

vetooo ‏@ammattipyoraily 6 m

#TDF, Mont Ventoux, last 6.15 km 2000 | Marco Pantani: 18 min 11 sec 2013 | Chris Froome: 17 min 41 sec

 

[Walkman]

Froome is the new Pantani and Indurain in the same body. not bad

vetooo ‏@ammattipyoraily 6 m

#TDF, Mont Ventoux, last 6.15 km 2000 | Marco Pantani: 18 min 11 sec 2013 | Chris Froome: 17 min 41 sec

Any info on the 2000 ascent? Did Pantani fade towards the end? Or the opposite? Weather? Length of the stage? Ridden hard or more of soft pedaling? Any climbs previous to Ventoux?

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Any info on the 2000 ascent? Did Pantani fade towards the end? Or the opposite? Weather? Length of the stage? Ridden hard or more of soft pedaling? Any climbs previous to Ventoux?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Oql3qMNOqo

 

[The Hitch]

Lol. The way he accelerated made me think of the Rasmussen contador duel in 07 (?).

Reminded me more of Cancellara vs Boonen on the Kapelmuur.

New blood vs a 3 time defending champion and winner of 4 other big ones.

New blood accelerates. Has a 30 second gap by the time the camera pulls away.