Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[Racelap]

We know Froome came from nowhere to a GT podium. He is so skinny he looks like something from Belsen. He can climb better than anyone in the peloton and yet time trial to within 12 seconds of one of the best TTers the world has seen.

What more would one like apart from the positive, which UCI are not going to let happen, does one require?

Based on Tyler Hamilton's book, Froome fits the model of Ferrari's program. If Ferrari himself isn't working with Sky then at the very least one of his disciples is running the playbook he created.

 

[arvc40]

You'll never know. What you will know is that Wiggens beat Froome last year in the TDF. He also beat him squarely in the Olympic TT. Wiggins has a palmares that Froome can only dream of at the moment.

I don't dispute that the Froome we are seeing at the moment might re-write the record books though....the operative word being "might".

Froome will certainly re-write wiggins palmares. Over and over again. Think hes dreaming a little bigger than Wiggins.

 

[blaxland]

In twenty tears of following the sport of cycling im now ashamed to say"cycling is NOT getting better regaurding doping".Watching Froome last night was like watching Lance,pantani and virenque off old smack down the whole field.But wasn't cycling meant to be cleaner these days?Don't know anymore?The way things are going Ritchie Porte looks like the next great Tdf winner??WTF

 

[lemoogle]

No, it was about 49, give or take a few seconds. That puts him the same as the times in 09 into a head wind. Today was a tailwind all the way up. So in reality he was perhaps a minute behind Contador's 09 performance given the conditions.

Yeah the time I had for the climb was apparently incorrect from watching France 2
Has anyone actually confirmed this tailwind. I'm pretty sure greg henderson's tweet was making a joke if that's what we're using to call tailwind.

 

[arvc40]

Repoxygen is what you kneed to look up lol. Check that **** out.

 

[MrRoboto]

No, it was about 49, give or take a few seconds. That puts him the same as the times in 09 into a head wind. Today was a tailwind all the way up. So in reality he was perhaps a minute behind Contador's 09 performance given the conditions.

Not according to Ten Dam.

 

[AICA ribonucleotide]

Froome 2nd fastest for last 15k of Ventoux

http://www.fillarifoorumi.fi/forum/...km-h-VAM-W-W-kg-etc-%29&p=2061073#post2061073

That list is only taking into account the 2000, 2002, 2009, 2013 Tour de France ascents of Ventoux.

He's 23rd of all time over the full climb here

1. 2004: 55:51 Iban Mayo 23.10 km/h
2. 2004: 56:26 Tyler Hamilton 22.86 km/h
3. 1999: 56:50 Jonathan Vaughters 22.70 km/h
4. 2004: 56:54 Oscar Sevilla 22.67 km/h
5. 1999: 57:33 Alexander Vinokourov 22.42 km/h
6. 1994: 57:34 Marco Pantani 22.41 km/h
7. 1999: 57:34 Wladimir Belli 22.41 km/h
8. 2004: 57:39 Juan Miguel Mercado 22.38 km/h
9. 1999: 57:42 Joseba Beloki 22.36 km/h
10. 2004: 57:49 Lance Armstrong 22.31 km/h
11. 1999: 57:52 Lance Armstrong 22.29 km/h
12. 2004: 58:14 Inigo Landaluze 22.15 km/h
13. 1999: 58:15 Kevin Livingston 22.15 km/h
14. 1999: 58:31 David Moncoutie 22.05 km/h
15. 2004: 58:35 José Enrique Gutierrez 22.02 km/h
16. 2009: 58:45 Andy Schleck 21.96 km/h
17. 2009: 58:45 Alberto Contador 21.96 km/h
18. 2009: 58:48 Lance Armstrong 21.94 km/h
19. 2009: 58:50 Fränk Schleck 21.93 km/h
20. 1999: 58:51 Unai Osa 21.92 km/h
21. 2009: 58:53 Roman Kreuziger 21.91 km/h
22. 2002: 59:00 Lance Armstrong 21.86 km/h
23. 2013: 59:00 Chris Froome 21.86 km/h
24. 1994: 59:02 Richard Virenque 21.85 km/h
25. 1994: 59:02 Armand De Las Cuevas 21.85 km/h

But then that doesn't take into account 2004's ITT course compared to today's 220 km done done before the ascent.

Its very hard to compare times like on different routes like this and I think people are better off using their eyes to see how freakish Froome appears.

 

[Mont Vonteux]

I don't think the longer times are as accurate as they ride in the group at high speeds until they turn onto the climb. Ten Dam's speed dropped right off and his heart rate when up at 15k to go. That's more of an individual effort.

 

[Mont Vonteux]

Laurens Ten Dam's Ventoux strava segment is 50:55. http://app.strava.com/activities/67057155#1287916879

He finished 1:53 behind Froome. That puts Froome at 49.02.

 

[lemoogle]

That list is only taking into account the 2000, 2002, 2009, 2013 Tour de France ascents of Ventoux.

He's 23rd of all time over the full climb here

But then that doesn't take into account 2004's ITT course compared to today's 220 km done done before the ascent.

Its very hard to compare times like on different routes like this and I think people are better off using their eyes to see how freakish Froome appears.

1999 also ITT

 

[Benotti69]

That list is only taking into account the 2000, 2002, 2009, 2013 Tour de France ascents of Ventoux.

He's 23rd of all time over the full climb.

But then that doesn't take into account 2004's ITT course compared to today's 220 km done done before the ascent.

Its very hard to compare times like on different routes like this and I think people are better off using their eyes to see how freakish Froome appears.

The last 15kms is not bad for comparison as most on the list will have ridden that either alone or with 1 other.

An ITT on Ventoux is not a fair comparison to riding it on a road stage.

 

[MrRoboto]

That list is only taking into account the 2000, 2002, 2009, 2013 Tour de France ascents of Ventoux.

He's 23rd of all time over the full climb here

But then that doesn't take into account 2004's ITT course compared to today's 220 km done done before the ascent.

Its very hard to compare times like on different routes like this and I think people are better off using their eyes to see how freakish Froome appears.

Seems more like they are using different times to me. So what is correct?

Both the 2004 and 1999 times are time trials from the Dauphine btw.

 

[vecchias]

SKY are not riding against a bunch of Continental Teams. Froome is not attacking against some neo-pro youngsters. They are not the only super-rich and packed-with-tech team, maybe the best at it but not the only one. Are they the only meticulous team? No, Ketchell is as meticulous as Portal gets.

I'm turning this a bit towards the SKY as a whole, but bare with me.

What is SKY doing to train that other teams cannot? Did they found the Theory of Everything and suddenly became able to define every physical phenomena with one simple formula? Or did they found the Higgs boson inside one of their wind tunnels?

SKY, promising to win the Tour with a clean team and full transparency, failed to do so. They are not helping me and other suspicious people to believe as they promised at the very beginning.

Reaching and even surpassing the doped performances after 2-3 years of intense training and so-called clean racing while others fail even to come close?

Please. I do not believe what I saw today on Ventoux. And I do not believe what I saw on Ax3-Domaines. I've devastated enough to believe this ****. I ain't going to be that naive again. Because I had already believed in Sestriere, Ventoux and Alp d'Huez under very similar circumstances, and then what happened; 10 years of emptiness.

If I'm proved wrong, in any way, I'll be more than happy. But until than, I'm not buying this SKY and Froome ****.

 

[The Hitch]

Which previously banned troll are you?

What do you disagree with. That wiggins is the only 1 who could climb with Froome?

I dont think he is but on 2012 form he probably would finish this race in 2nd.

 

[lemoogle]

What do you disagree with. That wiggins is the only 1 who could climb with Froome?

I dont think he is but on 2012 form he probably would finish this race in 2nd.

When has wiggins shown he was able to respond to attacks without a train or froome though. If it was froome vs wiggins 2012 from different teams, wiggo would have finished like Nieve maybe

 

[the sceptic]

What do you disagree with. That wiggins is the only 1 who could climb with Froome?

I dont think he is but on 2012 form he probably would finish this race in 2nd.

No i strongly disagree with the idea that Wiggins could have "easily challenged Froome" or whatever it was he said based on the comparison of the 09 and 2013 ascent times.

 

[Stetoe]

Enough with all the tailwind comments from defenders already. Ten Dam in a Dutch tv interview stated he had to battle the full headwind for Mollema because Bauke couldn't keep up.

 

[maxmartin]

Enough with all the tailwind comments from defenders already. Ten Dam in a Dutch tv interview stated he had to battle the full headwind for Mollema because Bauke couldn't keep up.

Froom believers need to find anything they can use, there is someone saying road surface is much better than before LOL

 

[Merckx index]

Froome is certainly in some very select company:

MONT VENTOUX (last 15.65 km [from St. Esteve], 8.74 %, 1368 m)

----TOP 50 LIST

-1. KNOWN DOPER ______ USA | 48:33 | 2002
-2. Chris Froome _________ GBR | 48:35 | 2013
-3. Andy Schleck _________ LUX | 48.57 | 2009
-4. KNOWN DOPER _____ ESP | 48:57 | 2009
-5. KNOWN DOPER ______ USA | 49:00 | 2009
-6. KNOWN DOPER ________ ITA | 49:01 | 2000
-7. KNOWN DOPER ______ USA | 49:01 | 2000
-8. KNOWN DOPER ________ LUX | 49:02 | 2009
-9. Nairo Quintana _______ COL | 49:04 | 2013
10. Roman Kreuziger ______ CZE | 49:05 | 2009

11. KNOWN DOPER ____ ITA | 49:15 | 2009
12. Vincenzo Nibali ______ ITA | 49:17 | 2009
13. Bradley Wiggins ______ GBR | 49:22 | 2009
14. Joseba Beloki ________ ESP | 49:26 | 2000
15. KNOWN DOPER __________ GER | 49:30 | 2000
16. KNOWN DOPER _____ LTU | 49:49 | 2002
17. KNOWN DOPER ________ ESP | 49:49 | 2000
18. KNOWN DOPER ___________ ITA | 49:52 | 2002
19. Mikel Nieve __________ ESP | 49:58 | 2013
20. Joaquim Rodriguez ____ ESP | 49:58 | 2013

1. 2004: 55:51 KNOWN DOPER 23.10 km/h
2. 2004: 56:26 KNOWN DOPER 22.86 km/h
3. 1999: 56:50 KNOWN DOPER 22.70 km/h
4. 2004: 56:54 KNOWN DOPER 22.67 km/h
5. 1999: 57:33 KNOWN DOPER 22.42 km/h
6. 1994: 57:34 KNOWN DOPER 22.41 km/h
7. 1999: 57:34 Wladimir Belli 22.41 km/h
8. 2004: 57:39 Juan Miguel Mercado 22.38 km/h
9. 1999: 57:42 Joseba Beloki 22.36 km/h
10. 2004: 57:49 KNOWN DOPER 22.31 km/h
11. 1999: 57:52 KNOWN DOPER 22.29 km/h
12. 2004: 58:14 KNOWN DOPER 22.15 km/h
13. 1999: 58:15 Kevin Livingston 22.15 km/h
14. 1999: 58:31 David Moncoutie 22.05 km/h
15. 2004: 58:35 José Enrique Gutierrez 22.02 km/h
16. 2009: 58:45 Andy Schleck 21.96 km/h
17. 2009: 58:45 KNOWN DOPER 21.96 km/h
18. 2009: 58:48 KNOWN DOPER 21.94 km/h
19. 2009: 58:50 KNOWN DOPER 21.93 km/h
20. 1999: 58:51 Unai Osa 21.92 km/h
21. 2009: 58:53 Roman Kreuziger 21.91 km/h
22. 2002: 59:00 KNOWN DOPER 21.86 km/h
23. 2013: 59:00 Chris Froome 21.86 km/h
24. 1994: 59:02 KNOWN DOPER 21.85 km/h
25. 1994: 59:02 Armand De Las Cuevas 21.85 km/h

Ye shall know them by the company they keep.

 

[babastooey]

Its pretty clear that the tests are once again not catching cheaters -- why do we bother with tests? All they seem to do is catch the idiots.

Anyhoo, its pretty clear that without tests doing anything, the only way to bust Froome is going to be if some authority in the UK has the same guts as Tygart and gets down to business.

America is leading the fight on retroactive doping investigation, when will any other country bother to step up???

Its pretty clear to me that doping will not be truly controlled until investigators go full ***.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Today Richard Julian Porte finished 15th.

Today, oldcrank has absolutely zero clue about what happened in the stage, because anyone who watched would not make such an obviously stupid post.

 

[stampedingviking]

Its pretty clear that the tests are once again not catching cheaters -- why do we bother with tests? All they seem to do is catch the idiots.

Anyhoo, its pretty clear that without tests doing anything, the only way to bust Froome is going to be if some authority in the UK has the same guts as Tygart and gets down to business.

America is leading the fight on retroactive doping investigation, when will any other country bother to step up???

Its pretty clear to me that doping will not be truly controlled until investigators go full ***.

Perhaps they should look more closely at some of the pro US sports, e.g., NHL. NFL, MLB and NBA.

 

[runninboy]

Well said.
And hey, since everyone must be under the 5.88w'kg estimate then everyones clean, shut The Clinic - we won.

I looked at who he was with and how they all responded - Froome went from 7km out. That in itself is crazy. It was like watching Rasmussen in 2007.

I agree. All i could think of when i was watching today was that all the best riders in the world had been ridden off his wheel and then he put in a HUGE acceleration 7km out. His attack was so quick and powerful it is like he went from 14 mph climbing pace to 20 mph pace. From a long way out. He attacked off a pace that killed everyone else, got up to quintana,"slowed" to the killer pace as he "recovered" and then put in another huge acceleration to leave Quintana.
Excuse me but that pace was either way too easy for Froome, not close to his max pace. Or his attack was way too easy(did not put him into the red at all)
It is a physical impossibility to "recover" at a pace that the best climbers in the world cannot maintain. And to do it from so far out? Sorry cannot be done.
This is would be like an Olympic Marathon where they are down to 3 runners with 5 miles left and someone throws in a sub 4 minute mile to gain a huge gap and then goes back to the pace they were on. He would finish about one minute ahead but the way he got that minute is a joke. No way it can be done legally.

 

[Pulpstar]

One thing for sure about Froome - he comes across as a very nice guy. Almost no ego shows - whatever plan Brailsford has dreamt up for him I'd bet he's followed it to the letter/second/last gram of food.

But being nice is not related to doping. He is a PR dream though in his demenaour.

 

[Mont Vonteux]

Froome is certainly in some very select company:





Ye shall know them by the company they keep.

Kreuziger worked with Ferrari and Schleck worked with Riis. Was Livingstone mentioned by USADA? Really they should all make the list.

However, I don't think Froome is doping, because what would he be taking that Contador and Valverde wouldn't know about?

The big story of the tour is really Contador's lack of performance. In 09 he soft peddled to victory on the Vontoux into a furious headwind.