Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[Brod107]

Exactly...

So you think Contador 2008 was clean?

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Even some members of the clinic 12 like Ullrich. So what´s wrong about it?
Where did i write that it´s ok to dope?
Does Walsh encourage doping now, since he alledgedly "jumped the Sky/Froome bandwaggon" too?

Who are the clinic twelve? and i am surprised that today you did not go "he is much better than those dirty spaniard like contador,valv-piti"

 

[H2OUUP2]

Nooo. Froome can lose a few seconds and claim he's under pressure. Save it for the day before the end with the mountain top finish. What drama! Like entertainment wrestling funded by tourism boards.

To be serious, I could actually see him losing time tomorrow..... LOL I can't even say it.... He will smoke them all, then say how stunned he is. What a gomer.

 

[The_Juan]

My impression of Froome today is that he sandbagged big time.

I suspect the dummy has finally gotten the point that flying under the radar is a lot better than imposing your ego on the other riders.

 

[Tom T.]

Nooo. Froome can lose a few seconds and claim he's under pressure. Save it for the day before the end with the mountain top finish. What drama! Like entertainment wrestling funded by tourism boards.

He should throw in a "look" at Contador before he rockets off just for good measure. Pay back for almost making him crash yesterday.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

So you think Contador 2008 was clean?

Until the plasticizer incident i naively tought AC changed to the better. Yes i started to believe him, even rooted for him beating LA in 2009. My first doubts came back in 2010 when he first rode Alpe in 42+ mins http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=8044 and then ruled the TdF together with AS hand-in-hand up the mountains.

... and then he came away with his doping almost unpunished for a 2nd time. That was enough for me.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Who are the clinic twelve? and i am surprised that today you did not go "he is much better than those dirty spaniard like contador,valv-piti"

That´s mythical i think... but i am sure RR is the president. He called everything in the LA case correct and in advance. I was stunned back then. Those were the great clinic times. Everytime it looked bad in the LA-case (like for example the infamous SB-Weekend) RR was there to help everybody out of depression.

 

[Brod107]

Until the plasticizer incident i naively tought AC changed to the better. Yes i started to believe him, even rooted for him beating LA in 2009. My first doubts came back in 2010 when he first rode Alpe in 42+ mins http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=8044 and then ruled the TdF together with AS hand-in-hand up the mountains.

... and then he came away with his doping almost unpunished for a 2nd time. That was enough for me.

So, you stated that it is easier to dominate over months being clean. But you didn't doubt Contador 2008 and 2009. Only started doubting him because of climbing times?
So what's with your own logic? (just for the record, i'm a Fan of Conti)

 

[martinvickers]

That´s mythical i think... but i am sure RR is the president. He called everything in the LA case correct and in advance. I was stunned back then. Those were the great clinic times. Everytime it looked bad in the LA-case (like for example the infamous SB-Weekend) RR was there to help everybody out of depression.

I'm afraid Race Radio got evicted; he allowed Richie Porte to pull the jedi mind trick on him, and had to be ousted. For his own good, really. Clinic 11 now.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

I'm afraid Race Radio got evicted; he allowed Richie Porte to pull the jedi mind trick on him, and had to be ousted. For his own good, really. Clinic 11 now.

Are you Pontius Pilate?

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

So, you stated that it is easier to dominate over months being clean. But you didn't doubt Contador 2008 and 2009. Only started doubting him because of climbing times?
So what's with your own logic? (just for the record, i'm a Fan of Conti)

Still think it is...
In AC´s case i was fooled. I admit that already. May the same will happen to me with Froome (told that Libertine already). Who knows, it´s still cycling. It could go either way. BUT: I am not going as far as the clinic to call Froome a doper when there is nothing against him. Nothing (unlike AC, Mosq. or LA back then).
So i´ll enjoy it while i can.

I'm afraid Race Radio got evicted; he allowed Richie Porte to pull the jedi mind trick on him, and had to be ousted. For his own good, really. Clinic 11 now.

Can you explain? What actually happened to him?

 

[Brod107]

Still think it is...
In AC´s case i was fooled. I admit that already. May the same will happen to me with Froome (told that Libertine already). Who knows, it´s still cycling. It could go either way. BUT: I am not going as far as the clinic to call Froome a doper when there is nothing against him. Nothing (unlike AC, Mosq. or LA back then).
So i´ll enjoy it while i can.

Fair enough.

 

[orbeas]

Froome

Now Mr Froome wants the downhill after Alpe Duez neutralizing tomorrow if the weather is bad..
Come friday he will want the stages cancelling till Sunday and then Cavendish not to sprint in Paris..

 

[The Hitch]

I'm afraid Race Radio got evicted; he allowed Richie Porte to pull the jedi mind trick on him, and had to be ousted. For his own good, really. Clinic 11 now.

I dont know what happened to Race Radio but on Sunday he tweeted that Froome rode the Ventoux 12% slower than Mayo's record and this was good.

I wonder what went through his mind when he found out later that Froome rode it as fast as Armstrong.

A - "ascent times mean nothing" defence doesn't quite work if you have 15 minutes earlier suggested that they very much do matter.

 

[Tyler'sTwin]

My first doubts came back in 2010 when he first rode Alpe in 42+ mins http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=8044 and then ruled the TdF together with AS hand-in-hand up the mountains.

So AC doped because he won @ Alpe d'Huez, climbing ~20 seconds slower than pvam into a headwind while attacking repeatedly, which is apparently a terrible performance just a few weeks before the TdF.

How do you feel about Froome's 2011 Tour of Poland?

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

So AC doped because he won @ Alpe d'Huez, climbing ~20 seconds slower than pvam into a headwind while attacking repeatedly, which is apparently a terrible performance just a few weeks before the TdF.

How do you feel about Froome's 2011 Tour of Poland?

Don´t know if there was headwind. Was it discussed back then? Anyway, slower than Herrera in 86? And then putting (w/AS) 1+ min into contenders at the Tdf-MTF? Sorry, i open new threads seldom. But if i do, only when something is really absurd (like Mosq. & AC back then) or missing... I have no reason yet to open a thread "Foxxy calls Froome a doper. Finally".

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

I dont know what happened to Race Radio but on Sunday he tweeted that Froome rode the Ventoux 12% slower than Mayo's record and this was good.

I wonder what went through his mind when he found out later that Froome rode it as fast as Armstrong.

So Froome does a heck of a job, right?
He shuts down the clinic now&then, RR is missing, Walsh gets clobbered, and i get my flak too.
Isn´t that exciting? Much more so than when we had to annoyingly discuss the backward riding of the TdF-2011 edition.

 

[vrusimov]

Wasn't Fignon the last rider to win the GC + five stages? By Paris Froome might even be able to match Fignon's 10 minute margin on GC. Such a shame when historic performances like Fignon's are devalued by modern pharmaceutically powered results.

Nope... Armstrong 2004... 5 stages. At least before he was stripped. Amazing how many otherworldly records this man held in his day!

 

[BroDeal]

It is too bad the badzilla discussion is not its own thread. To further buttress what was discussed, I pulled this recent post off of Slowtwitch:


Some of the statements regarding bilharzia by Team Sky cannot be true.
http://velonews.competitor.com/...rzia-parasite_295548

My wife works as a post-doc studying infectious diseases, primarily researching schistosomiasis - which is the more common, scientific name for bilharzia.
The treatment for schistosomiasis/bilharzia is biltricide (Praziquantel) as mentioned, but the treatment is a one-day treatment. Reference here: http://dailymed.nlm.nih.gov/...75b1916b8#nlm34068-7 under dosage and adminsitration.

If schistosomasis/bilharzia was diagnosed in 2010, Froome should have been given the one day treatment and it should have no longer been an issue. The only reported occurrences of when the initial treatment does not eradicate the infection is when a heavy worm burden is in the system (i.e. a lot of worms infected Froome.) Even in those cases, treatment does not drag on for 18 months+. A heavy worm burden would also make the symptoms more severe than "I was always getting little colds and coughs, nothing serious".

Thus, it's unlikely to claim that it's still in his system (as of January according to the above article), unless he got re-infected by continuing to come into contact with contaminated waters. Given his reported history with this infection, that would be stupid.

There are other inconsistencies with the claims given:
"It’s not something that just disappears. It’s a parasite. It lays eggs. They might be dormant, then the eggs hatch, then they lay more eggs" - Completely false: Eggs laid in humans do not, and cannot hatch; they can only hatch in fresh water (after being excreted by humans). They also need interaction with snails before the hatched eggs can infect humans again. Source: Under Pathophysiology/Life Cycle - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schistosomiasis, also fairly common knowledge for those familiar with the infection.

Biltricide "basically kills everything in your system" - also false, same link above about the treatment under Adverse Effects - "In general BILTRICIDE is very well tolerated. Side effects are usually mild and transient and do not require treatment." Thus, a week of not being able to ride his bike is a ridiculous statement.

I'm not sure why they would lie to / misinform us about something like this....

 

[Tyler'sTwin]

Don´t know if there was headwind. Was it discussed back then? Anyway, slower than Herrera in 86? And then putting (w/AS) 1+ min into contenders at the Tdf-MTF? Sorry, i open new threads seldom. But if i do, only when something is really absurd (like Mosq. & AC back then) or missing... I have no reason yet to open a thread "Foxxy calls Froome a doper. Finally".

Let's get this straight. 3 weeks before the 2010 TdF, AC finished 2nd overall in the Dauphine, winning the prologue and the queen stage. You conclude that AC must have doped to win the Tour, because he was so poor just 3 weeks before the race.

Now, let's have a look at Froome's 2011 Tour of Poland, which finished just 2 weeks before the start of the 2011 Vuelta.

Tour de Pologne 2011

Final general classification

1 Peter Sagan (Svk) Liquigas-Cannondale 26:40:00

85 Christopher Froome (GBr) Sky Procycling 0:26:18

26 minutes lost in a 1 week stage race won by Sagan.

Vuelta a España 2011

Final general classification

1 Juan Jose Cobo Acebo (Spa) Geox-TMC 84:59:31
2 Christopher Froome (GBr) Sky Procycling 0:00:13

What's your conclusion?

 

[jamiephillips]

Do we think Froome is on more or better gear than Wiggins last year, or the same? This Froome and possibly last years would have rinsed Wiggo by the looks of it.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Last year's Froome would have rinsed Wiggo if he'd been allowed to.

But only at the Tour. He sucked out loud until the Dauphiné, his first CQ points of the entire calendar year coming in early May when he got 5 points for not climbing off at Romandie. Wiggins was still too strong at the Dauphiné thanks to a 50km time trial and only one half decent mountain stage. Froome is weird like that. 2011 and 2012 his ability to maintain form was an outlier on one end of the spectrum (super-peaker to make Andy Schleck look like Cadel Evans), whereas this year he's been an outlier at the other end of the spectrum (peaking or close to it non-stop since February).

 

[mewmewmew13]

I'm afraid Race Radio got evicted; he allowed Richie Porte to pull the jedi mind trick on him, and had to be ousted. For his own good, really. Clinic 11 now.

I think RR doesn't need to get caught up in petty sniping..

keep checking back

 

[roundabout]

2011 he did ok in Beijing. TT and the only decent road stage

2012 had this

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/froome-still-battling-parasitic-infection

and then he made a decent go at the double

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Let's get this straight. 3 weeks before the 2010 TdF, AC finished 2nd overall in the Dauphine, winning the prologue and the queen stage. You conclude that AC must have doped to win the Tour, because he was so poor just 3 weeks before the race.

Now, let's have a look at Froome's 2011 Tour of Poland, which finished just 2 weeks before the start of the 2011 Vuelta.



26 minutes lost in a 1 week stage race won by Sagan.



What's your conclusion?

I know that you know that you are cherry picking here. Everybody is aware of that Froome had his break-trou at that Vuelta...

Back to why i got suspicious of AC. Yes AC did win Alpe and yes he fini 2nd overall. But not only me saw something wrong with that 42+ min ride. BroDeal put it best back than (and he hit the jackpot, since the plasticizer proved him right not much later):

Two and a half liters will improve his form massively.