Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[Justinr]

That's correct.

Funny how Dr. Leinders magic worked wonders.

Well not really, but yeah..

Well if it had then surely it would have meant more than 1 major international win that year for BW ...

 

[BYOP88]

Well if it had then surely it would have meant more than 1 major international win ...

You're forgetting, Wiggans crashed out in 2011. Dope or no dope you got to stay on the bike. Sky could've won a GT in 2011 but they spent to much time holding Wiggans' hand, if they took the leash of Froome he would've won the Vuelta no problem.

 

[Justinr]

You're forgetting, Wiggans crashed out in 2011. Dope or no dope you got to stay on the bike. Sky could've won a GT in 2011 but they spent to much time holding Wiggans' hand, if they took the leash of Froome he would've won the Vuelta no problem.

But he only had 1 win before that, if Leinders was that good at doping then i say SKY were wasting their money...

I also edited my previous post to clarify before seeing yours, so no cheating on my side intended.

 

[BYOP88]

But he only had 1 win before that, if Leinders was that good at doping then i say SKY were wasting their money...

I also edited my previous post to clarify before seeing yours, so no cheating on my side intended.

No worries, not a problem.

 

[the sceptic]

But he only had 1 win before that, if Leinders was that good at doping then i say SKY were wasting their money...

I also edited my previous post to clarify before seeing yours, so no cheating on my side intended.

Its not too bad for someone who used to struggle to keep up with the gruppetto.

They were probably fine tuning the program in 2011, and then they went full *** in 2012. It makes perfect sense. 2012 was the year they wanted to dominate.

 

[peloton]

Its not too bad for someone who used to struggle to keep up with the gruppetto.

They were probably fine tuning the program in 2011, and then they went full *** in 2012. It makes perfect sense. 2012 was the year they wanted to dominate.

Indeed.

It's funny how the Sky fans refuse to note the importance Dr. Leinders had in the dramatic improvement in stage race results in -11-12.

He was hired for a reason, and that was not for giving vitamin pills.

 

[Justinr]

Indeed.

It's funny how the Sky fans refuse to note the importance Dr. Leinders had in the dramatic improvement in stage race results in -11-12.

He was hired for a reason, and that was not for giving vitamin pills.

Well according to posters on here he was hired to stop soigneurs dying...

You cant have it both ways.

 

[Digger]

He was hired to show them what other teams did.

Winter 2010 there was very serious questions asked about Sky. About the lack of results they were getting for their money.

One would have to be braindead not to see a correlation between Leinders' employment and their drastic improvement in results.

Of course Kerrison and his reverse periodization was given the credit.

 

[Justinr]

Its not too bad for someone who used to struggle to keep up with the gruppetto.

But he didnt struggle to keep up with the Gruppetto in either 2011 or 2010 or 2009. In fact its his 2009 performance that a lot of posters pick on as suspicious. Leinders was 18 months later and for a different team. Again you cant have it both ways - either it was Leinders or it wasnt.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

But he didnt struggle to keep up with the Gruppetto in either 2011 or 2010 or 2009. In fact its his 2009 performance that a lot of posters pick on as suspicious. Leinders was 18 months later and for a different team. Again you cant have it both ways - either it was Leinders or it wasnt.

But there were two suspicious jumps in performance level with Wiggins: from grupetto to GC rider, and from peripheral GC rider who clings on on the climbs and can be competitive with the best at the TT to dominating rider who flattens everybody by minutes against the clock and grinds everyone into dust on the climbs.

And while Wiggins' transformation from the grupetto may predate Dr. Geert, others at the team do not.

 

[The Hitch]

Well according to posters on here he was hired to stop soigneurs dying...

You cant have it both ways.

No, that was according to Brailsford. You've been told before, and still you insensitively try to attribute that disgusting quote to the forum. Shame on you

 

[The Hitch]

But there were two suspicious jumps in performance level with Wiggins: from grupetto to GC rider, and from peripheral GC rider who clings on on the climbs and can be competitive with the best at the TT to dominating rider who flattens everybody by minutes against the clock and grinds everyone into dust on the climbs.

And while Wiggins' transformation from the grupetto may predate Dr. Geert, others at the team do not.

Well Wiggins regressed in 2010 and crashed in 2011 so its hard to say how big of a jump 2012 was on 2009. 2009, baring in mind that was a field of dopers doped to the doped limit, was, if we were to pretend wiggins was clean, easily better than anything any other rider has ever done on a bicycle.

 

[Nathan12]

Well Wiggins regressed in 2010 and crashed in 2011 so its hard to say how big of a jump 2012 was on 2009. 2009, baring in mind that was a field of dopers doped to the doped limit, was, if we were to pretend wiggins was clean, easily better than anything any other rider has ever done on a bicycle.

On a par with Cioni's 4th in the 2004 Giro, I'd say.

 

[martinvickers]

I said I think she is lying as she appears not have informed the police of such a serious threat.

But you keep stirring this......

A difference without a distinction. What a cowardly way of trying to avoid being found out.

As I said, you showed what you are.

 

[martinvickers]

Marty send bad guys to gaol, haha, he's a glorified civil servant

I'm not remotely glorified. I'm a government lawyer -so absolutely, in addition to being a lawyer, I'm a civil servant. What are you? A glorified...anything?

I've never done criminal prosecution work, and frankly never felt the inclination to. I much preferred criminal defence and civil plaintiff, and much, much prefer the in-house constitutional stuff I do now. I'm not sure why you would want to do criminal prosecution - that's not where either the job satisfaction, glory or money is in my profession, IMHO.

I grant you this, though, B. at least this time, when you called me a civil servant, you said the truth. That's a nice change of pace for you.

 

[peloton]

Well according to posters on here he was hired to stop soigneurs dying...

You cant have it both ways.

I never said that.

Careful there.

Can you explain how the results dramatically improved?

 

[hrotha]

I never said that.

Careful there

As Hitch mentioned (and I'm repeating it because it can't be repeated enough), Brailsford said that, not us.

 

[peloton]

As Hitch mentioned (and I'm repeating it because it can't be repeated enough), Brailsford said that, not us.

I know.

And apparently it needs to be repeated even more, go figure

 

[Fzotrlool]

Michelle Cound deleted her Twitter. What happened?

 

[RobbieCanuck]

Michelle Cound deleted her Twitter. What happened?

Boy are you out of touch - read a few pages back.

 

[42x16ss]

Sorry I'm confused - according to posters on here the (so called) SKY 'doping era' started with Leinders didn't it? I thought he was employed in late 2010 - so why didnt they win anything significant in 2011? And he left in 2012 so how come they were winning in 2013 - does his advice have some kind of 12m delayed action?

WTF? Wigans crushed the Dauphine, Flecha and Hayman had a very solid classics campaign, EBH had an a awesome TdF with 2 stage wins, a few more placings and a good final TT.

Then there was Froome and Wigans at the Vuelta. The only thing that really went wrong was Wigans crashing out of the Tour

 

[Afrank]

Michelle Cound deleted her Twitter. What happened?

Perhaps Sky PR finally stepped in? Or maybe Froome finally made her realize how bad she was making him look?

Either way, I'm a little disappointed. She provided some excellent comedic relief.

 

[RobbieCanuck]

I'm a government lawyer -so absolutely, in addition to being a lawyer, I'm a civil servant.

Government lawyers are a truly and necessary valued asset to public administration. The civil servant part of this implies you are both civil and a servant to the public.

In the Forum especially the Clinic you can be whatever you want, civilly uncivil or uncivilly civil and you do not have to be a servant to anyone except your own views. Your comments are valued.

Please just don't become, and I am not saying you have, what we call some civil servants in Canada - snivelling servants.

 

[Justinr]

No, that was according to Brailsford. You've been told before, and still you insensitively try to attribute that disgusting quote to the forum. Shame on you

Try the SKY forum post #25799 - you'll find it wasn't me that said it. Thats the second time you have misrepresented one of my posts Hitch.

Also can you remind me when you became a Mod on this Forum?

 

[pastronef]

Indeed.

It's funny how the Sky fans refuse to note the importance Dr. Leinders had in the dramatic improvement in stage race results in -11-12.

He was hired for a reason, and that was not for giving vitamin pills.

I have no problem with that, never refused to see it.