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the sceptic

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Moving to Monaco really helped. Until then, I was living in Italy, moving every year, and it was only when I moved to Monaco that everything fell into place.
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I believe he moved to Monaco in 2011 after he met Michelle, and then the magical transformation happened.
 
The Hitch

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I don't understand why some people on here compare the sky fans to Armstrong fans. It's not like the sky fans accuse anyone who questions whether there is doping in cycling of self promotion and mock them as jealous underacheivers. They've come up with more original arguments that go beyond the most basic child reaction of dismissing anyone who's observations challenge their close minded world view through insults.

Oh wait.
 
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The Hitch said:
I don't understand why some people on here compare the sky fans to Armstrong fans. It's not like the sky fans accuse anyone who questions whether there is doping in cycling of self promotion and mock them as jealous underacheivers. They've come up with more original arguments that go beyond the most basic child reaction of dismissing anyone who's observations challenge their close minded world view through insults.

Oh wait.
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So, you consider that to be true of all sky fans? I would suggest there is an element of that type of fan within the fan base of every single team in every single sport. IMO, the majority of Sky fans root for Froome and Co and don't resort to the behavior you are suggesting.

Edit: The bolded is pretty hypocritical considering the flaming you attempted earlier today in the Wiggins PRR thread. Starstruck Bieber fangirl?

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=1612051&postcount=4923
 
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The Hitch said:
I don't understand why some people on here compare the sky fans to Armstrong fans. It's not like the sky fans accuse anyone who questions whether there is doping in cycling of self promotion and mock them as jealous underacheivers. They've come up with more original arguments that go beyond the most basic child reaction of dismissing anyone who's observations challenge their close minded world view through insults.

Oh wait.
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The irony of course being that instead of speaking to the credentials of Vayer those who would seek to condemn Froome immediately invoke the Texan Ghost as a shield.
 
the sceptic

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TailWindHome said:
The irony of course being that instead of speaking to the credentials of Vayer those who would seek to condemn Froome immediately invoke the Texan Ghost as a shield.
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Have you found any evidence Froome is doping yet?
 
the sceptic

the sceptic

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TailWindHome said:
Nothing we could agree to put in a Reasoned Decision.
But as ever my mind remains open to the possibilities and the argument.
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I see. So Froome is clean until he gets sanctioned?

Lance was cleans until 2012?
 
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the sceptic said:
I see. So Froome is clean until he gets sanctioned?

Lance was cleans until 2012?
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That strawman again?
It's been a while.
Give me a 'never tested postive' , a couple 'rolly eyes' and an 'ilarious Gif and we'll call it a day
 
frenchfry

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That "college" is a high school, so PE teacher is probably an accurate description.
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You are right, in France a "collège" is a jr high school and apparently Vayer is a PE teacher at one.

That is is employment position, it doesn't mean he doesn't have other qualifications or competences.
 
The Hitch

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TailWindHome said:
The irony of course being that instead of speaking to the credentials of Vayer those who would seek to condemn Froome immediately invoke the Texan Ghost as a shield.
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It was not me who made the link between Armstrong and Sky. It was they themselves. It was Wiggins who praised praised Lance on Paris Nice and said after the 2012 TDF that he had been taking advice from Lance all season.
It was Dave Brailsford who said his team was UK Postal.
It was the team itself which hired Yates and Barry.
Its Froome that copycats word for word Lance Armstrong's explanations for why he isn't doping.

What am I supposed to do, ignore these things. Pretend they didn't happen?

Sky wanted to be just like UK Postal and Wiggo's hero Lance. Well here we are.
 
The Hitch

The Hitch

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TailWindHome said:
Nothing we could agree to put in a Reasoned Decision.
But as ever my mind remains open to the possibilities and the argument.
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And 13 years ago there was nothing that existed against Lance that had been used against Festina.

So you would have had to conclude, just as you do above, that there is no reason to believe Lance dopes, even though you remain open to the possibility.

Afterall Lance hadn't been caught with a team member driving blood bags accross the border. So therefore there was no similarity between the 2 right?

That's why its dumb to simply look at the most recent major doping scandal and see if the pieces of the puzzle fit exactly.

Froome has been caught lying about the disease he claims inhibited his early career and lying about ghost trips to Africa to treat it when his own doctor is on record saying that is not how the disease is treated.
Sky have been caught with 2 doctors who doped riders on other teams.

But neither of these pieces were used against Lance, therefore they can't be used as evidence at all right?
 
The Hitch

The Hitch

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frenchfry said:
You are right, in France a "collège" is a jr high school and apparently Vayer is a PE teacher at one.

That is is employment position, it doesn't mean he doesn't have other qualifications or competences.
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hmm.
So it seems to me dismissing Vayer as a PE teacher because he teaches kids PE, isn't so very different for calling Asthma medication "Horse steroids", because they are sometimes used on horses.
 
the sceptic

the sceptic

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TailWindHome said:
That strawman again?
It's been a while.
Give me a 'never tested postive' , a couple 'rolly eyes' and an 'ilarious Gif and we'll call it a day
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Not man. Ball.

This is how you think isn't it?

What exactly is your mind open to aside from positive tests and reasoned desicions?
 
thehog

thehog

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The Hitch said:
hmm.
So it seems to me dismissing Vayer as a PE teacher because he teaches kids PE, isn't so very different for calling Asthma medication "Horse steroids", because they are sometimes used on horses.
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Bassoons is a PE teacher as well. Appears to be a virtuous profession. Why the hate on teachers? :cool:
 
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Mellow Velo

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The Hitch said:
So much this.
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Rubbish.

Black and white would be a one colour improvement around here.
This: "you are either with us or against us" ( and therefore wrong) ideology is nonsense.
 
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thehog

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Mellow Velo said:
No, not for you.
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That's not very open. Its fairly easy to throw stones and a lot harder to present your opinion. Try it. I'm willing to listen.
 
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