Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[LaFlorecita]

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Froome just beat @richie_porte's Paris-Nice TT time. By minutes

In his Jaguar.....

Hilarious

First badly frightened then extremely relieved, huh?

hehe... well nothing would surprise me but after his Catalunya performance, that would be hard to believe

 

[Savant12]

Froome goes with that super-cadence of his which easily looks like 110+ (120?) rpm which if Contador cannot increase speed to match it will look like that he [Froome] is going much faster. He could only hold that cadence for 20 seconds so it's not as if he could hold that speed and cadence for a long time.

Yes, it is possible to quickly gap an opponent by upping cadence and just spin those pedals. Also, Contador was not super strong on that climb and needed Nieve to pace him up it and even Kreuziger was passing him on the line.

 

[red_flanders]

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Froome goes with that super-cadence of his which easily looks like 110+ (120?) rpm which if Contador cannot increase speed to match it will look like that he [Froome] is going much faster. He could only hold that cadence for 20 seconds so it's not as if he could hold that speed and cadence for a long time.

Yes, it is possible to quickly gap an opponent by upping cadence and just spin those pedals. Also, Contador was not super strong on that climb and needed Nieve to pace him up it and even Kreuziger was passing him on the line.

Clearly it is possible. Possible to do it clean, trouncing a group of the best doped up GT contenders on the planet, and produce enough power to do so while riding at 120 RPM? No.

Why didn't everyone else just ride faster for the same 20 seconds? Didn't they know you can, you know, just spin faster?

 

[Savant12]

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Froome goes with that super-cadence of his which easily looks like 110+ (120?) rpm which if Contador cannot increase speed to match it will look like that he [Froome] is going much faster. He could only hold that cadence for 20 seconds so it's not as if he could hold that speed and cadence for a long time.

Yes, it is possible to quickly gap an opponent by upping cadence and just spin those pedals. Also, Contador was not super strong on that climb and needed Nieve to pace him up it and even Kreuziger was passing him on the line.

Clearly it is possible. Possible to do it clean, trouncing a group of the best doped up GT contenders on the planet, and produce enough power to do so while riding at 120 RPM? No.

Why didn't everyone else just ride faster for the same 20 seconds? Didn't they know you can, you know, just spin faster?

He dropped Contador on Ventoux with his upped-cadence and he tried it with Quintana but didn't make the same sustained effort and Quintana gradually made it back to him. Ride faster for 20 seconds? Well, Contador couldn't follow and rode to limit his losses [see also 2015 Vuelta a Andalucía stage 4]. If you don't have the legs, then turning on the power for 20 seconds will just drop you in the red making you lose even more time.

Not every rider can spin those pedals like Froome. It's not Contador's or Nibali's or Quintana's style of climbing and with Froome being long of limb I think it helps him to just spin those legs around.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Longer limbs typically mean longer levers - ie better torque, rather than better cadence.

People tend to use shorter cranks for faster spinning, not longer.

So if anything, a longer limbed rider can generate better leverage and would pedal slower more comfortably.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Longer limbs typically mean longer levers - ie better torque, rather than better cadence.

People tend to use shorter cranks for faster spinning, not longer.

So if anything, a longer limbed rider can generate better leverage and would pedal slower more comfortably.

Froome defies logic yet again

 

[Joelsim]

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Longer limbs typically mean longer levers - ie better torque, rather than better cadence.

People tend to use shorter cranks for faster spinning, not longer.

So if anything, a longer limbed rider can generate better leverage and would pedal slower more comfortably.

Froome defies logic yet again

Oh Florry.

 

[TheSpud]

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Longer limbs typically mean longer levers - ie better torque, rather than better cadence.

People tend to use shorter cranks for faster spinning, not longer.

So if anything, a longer limbed rider can generate better leverage and would pedal slower more comfortably.

Froome defies logic yet again

Perhaps he used shorter cranks?

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Longer limbs typically mean longer levers - ie better torque, rather than better cadence.

People tend to use shorter cranks for faster spinning, not longer.

So if anything, a longer limbed rider can generate better leverage and would pedal slower more comfortably.

Froome defies logic yet again

Oh Florry.

'sup Joel

 

[The Hitch]

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Froome goes with that super-cadence of his which easily looks like 110+ (120?) rpm which if Contador cannot increase speed to match it will look like that he [Froome] is going much faster. He could only hold that cadence for 20 seconds so it's not as if he could hold that speed and cadence for a long time.

Yes, it is possible to quickly gap an opponent by upping cadence and just spin those pedals. Also, Contador was not super strong on that climb and needed Nieve to pace him up it and even Kreuziger was passing him on the line.

Same Kreuziger who is facing a ban for blood doping?

Name dropping riders who finished ahead of a certain rider to argue they weren't strong is stupid, because performances change all the time.

By your logic the 2006 TDF was one of the weakest and slowest ever. Neither Landis nor Perreiro were gt contenders outside of that year. 3rd place Kloeden had 1 other podium in his career.

The reality is they were all super strong. Landis even put up one of the fastest Alpe times.

 

[Savant12]

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Froome goes with that super-cadence of his which easily looks like 110+ (120?) rpm which if Contador cannot increase speed to match it will look like that he [Froome] is going much faster. He could only hold that cadence for 20 seconds so it's not as if he could hold that speed and cadence for a long time.

Yes, it is possible to quickly gap an opponent by upping cadence and just spin those pedals. Also, Contador was not super strong on that climb and needed Nieve to pace him up it and even Kreuziger was passing him on the line.

Same Kreuziger who is facing a ban for blood doping?

Name dropping riders who finished ahead of a certain rider to argue they weren't strong is stupid, because performances change all the time.

By your logic the 2006 TDF was one of the weakest and slowest ever. Neither Landis nor Perreiro were gt contenders outside of that year. 3rd place Kloeden had 1 other podium in his career.

The reality is they were all super strong. Landis even put up one of the fastest Alpe times.

What point are you making regarding "performance change". You only pick out Kreuziger as a doped rider at that Tour and I see no relevance how it relates to Contador's performance on that stage? I said that Contador was not super strong on that stage and really for the whole 2013 Tour given Contador's ability.

I don't get your 2006 TDF point and how it relates to Froome's contested ability?

I believe we were discussing Froome's ability to make sudden accelerations and drop riders. Sometimes it works; sometimes it doesn't.

 

[peloton]

When did Froome do these seated, spin crazy fast attacks, before the -11 Vuelta transformation?

 

[pastronef]

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When did Froome do these seated, spin crazy fast attacks, before the -11 Vuelta transformation?

in training

 

[robertmooreheadlane]

I seem to remember another super doped up rider who used to claim that because he could spin so much faster than others he didn't use as much energy and could harder for longer, apparently lance was taught that media excuse (sorry riding technique) by Miguel Indurain. Of the "we would never dope" spanish contingent.

 

[PremierAndrew]

Just remember that Froome's attack was on one of the flattest parts of Ventoux

 

[The Hitch]

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Froome goes with that super-cadence of his which easily looks like 110+ (120?) rpm which if Contador cannot increase speed to match it will look like that he [Froome] is going much faster. He could only hold that cadence for 20 seconds so it's not as if he could hold that speed and cadence for a long time.

Yes, it is possible to quickly gap an opponent by upping cadence and just spin those pedals. Also, Contador was not super strong on that climb and needed Nieve to pace him up it and even Kreuziger was passing him on the line.

Same Kreuziger who is facing a ban for blood doping?

Name dropping riders who finished ahead of a certain rider to argue they weren't strong is stupid, because performances change all the time.

By your logic the 2006 TDF was one of the weakest and slowest ever. Neither Landis nor Perreiro were gt contenders outside of that year. 3rd place Kloeden had 1 other podium in his career.

The reality is they were all super strong. Landis even put up one of the fastest Alpe times.

What point are you making regarding "performance change". You only pick out Kreuziger as a doped rider at that Tour and I see no relevance how it relates to Contador's performance on that stage? I said that Contador was not super strong on that stage and really for the whole 2013 Tour given Contador's ability.

I don't get your 2006 TDF point and how it relates to Froome's contested ability?

I believe we were discussing Froome's ability to make sudden accelerations and drop riders. Sometimes it works; sometimes it doesn't.

Because you used the "rider a wasn't good because rider b beat him" argument.

The 2006 Tour is an example of why that argument is false. At face value it must have been a slow tour because if we look at the prestige of the top riders it wasn't very high.

The reality is it was a very fast tour. Same can be true for any race in cycling.

 

[peloton]

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I seem to remember another super doped up rider who used to claim that because he could spin so much faster than others he didn't use as much energy and could harder for longer, apparently lance was taught that media excuse (sorry riding technique) by Miguel Indurain. Of the "we would never dope" spanish contingent.

Funny you mention that...

 

[robow7]

Yea, I loved it when the good doctor openly stated by spinning at such a high cadence that Lance was using his supreme cardio instead of his legs and in fact he felt that in the future, he could remove the legs from the equation all together Ha

 

[Digger]

Elephant in the room is that you need one thing to spin at this cadence - oxygen rich blood - that's the issue - otherwise every clown would be doing it

 

[Tommy79]

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Elephant in the room is that you need one thing to spin at this cadence - oxygen rich blood - that's the issue - otherwise every clown would be doing it

Any research into the different oxygen requirements for spinning vs stamping away on a bigger gear?

 

[the sceptic]

Is Dawg losing his mutant edge? Beaten by Simon Yates today. lol!

 

[Netserk]

I'm sure Dawg will be mutant in time for the Tour. I think Dauphiné as well, but we'll have to see.

 

[70kmph]

whats wrong with him...asthma attack?

 

[Rollthedice]

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whats wrong with him...asthma attack?

On the contrary, he is healthy. Last year he was sick under heavy medication TUE protected and he destroyed the competition. Of course Zakarin was also missing.

 

[mrhender]

He didn't look too healthy at the finish yesterday...

But then again, he is not very friendly with bad weahter..

I'am not sure about where he's at...

A year ago I predicted he was on the rebound and had burnt his light in both ends ...
Something about his appearance changed exactly a year ago, since then his riding style has also changed (maybe for the better perfomance wise) But he doesn't seem to have the same power as he used to.. I could be totally wrong though -it's just my perception...

When was the last time he "killed" a ITT?

I'am not so sure he will be a competitor at the TDF.. Actually I don't think so...
But will be ready to eat my words of course...