Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[MatParker117]

The issue from this daily mail article is surely this...

They have admitted to one error by Froome, however. At the 2014 Vuelta, last September, a sample bottle containing Froome’s urine was left outside his bedroom at a hotel in A Coruña.
It was in a corridor used by hotel guests and was examined by a member of the public before being left where it was found.
The person who found it later contacted Team Sky to ask why it had been left out. Fran Millar, Team Sky’s Head of Winning Behaviours, replied in an email: ‘It will have been entirely innocent and for that reason maybe the riders aren’t as careful as they should be — when you have nothing to hide you tend not to hide things!

Why leave a bottle of p*ss outside his hotel room?
Are the testers just popping along to pick it up later and hoping it's his and not someone else's like his mechanic?

Or someone connected with Sky feels the need to run urine tests on their own riders? And for what purpose?

Sky runs an internal testing program.

 

[buckle]

The issue from this daily mail article is surely this...

They have admitted to one error by Froome, however. At the 2014 Vuelta, last September, a sample bottle containing Froome’s urine was left outside his bedroom at a hotel in A Coruña.
It was in a corridor used by hotel guests and was examined by a member of the public before being left where it was found.
The person who found it later contacted Team Sky to ask why it had been left out. Fran Millar, Team Sky’s Head of Winning Behaviours, replied in an email: ‘It will have been entirely innocent and for that reason maybe the riders aren’t as careful as they should be — when you have nothing to hide you tend not to hide things!

Why leave a bottle of p*ss outside his hotel room?
Are the testers just popping along to pick it up later and hoping it's his and not someone else's like his mechanic?

Or someone connected with Sky feels the need to run urine tests on their own riders? And for what purpose?

Sky runs an internal testing program.

Perhaps using that Froome identified it was not only pi'ss but French pi'ss thrown at him.

 

[May0maniac]

That just reminded me of Isidro Nozal. He was another guy who had a classic Froome-esque transformation at the Vuelta back in '03. Nearly won it despite little palmarès to speak of beforehand. Grew to notoriety because he didn't shower during Grand Tours because of thinking it would soften his muscles. Can only imagine what would have been going on at ONCE had this kind of reaction been faced. In the 40º+ heat of southern Spain too. Ugh.

buffalo gonzalez in giro, and the other gonzalez beating oscarlito in spain for kelme too, and when cunego beats simoni, quite a few mega *** transformations in three week races

Cunego had many good results as a junior and u-23 rider, so it wasn't your classic from zero to hero transformation, more of a Di Luca transformation at young age, he was always great in hilly one day races.

 

[Dalakhani]

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I wonder when people realise that it's not about Froome but the fact that Contador is in piss poor form, just like Nibali.

How comes its so hard for Contador and Nibali and every other rider in the peloton to get form but Wiggo and now Froome can peak for any race they want to at ease?

When I first got into cycling - about 7 years ago - I remember asking myself the same question about Armstrong: how could he peak 7 years in a row, but the current guys were totally erratic: good one Tour, rubbish the next.

I seriously asked myself that question... with a straight face.

But gimme a break, I was a total newbie.

What's even more laughable than my question are the people who never think to ask that question... whether about Armstrong during his reign, or Sky now.

 

[LaFlorecita]

The issue from this daily mail article is surely this...

They have admitted to one error by Froome, however. At the 2014 Vuelta, last September, a sample bottle containing Froome’s urine was left outside his bedroom at a hotel in A Coruña.
It was in a corridor used by hotel guests and was examined by a member of the public before being left where it was found.
The person who found it later contacted Team Sky to ask why it had been left out. Fran Millar, Team Sky’s Head of Winning Behaviours, replied in an email: ‘It will have been entirely innocent and for that reason maybe the riders aren’t as careful as they should be — when you have nothing to hide you tend not to hide things!

holy sh*t, is that her real job title?
wtf, getting Orwellian

My thoughts exactly. Wtf.

 

[blackcat]

Re: Re:

When I first got into cycling - about 7 years ago - I remember asking myself the same question about Armstrong: how could he peak 7 years in a row, but the current guys were totally erratic: good one Tour, rubbish the next.

I seriously asked myself that question... with a straight face.

But gimme a break, I was a total newbie.

What's even more laughable than my question are the people who never think to ask that question... whether about Armstrong during his reign, or Sky now.

you need to put peak in quotes. "peak".

The subtext, the meta definition about the "preparation" to peak, will occur by a statistical regression on Olympic years.

do pro athletes, amazingly has some inner drive and ambition and application in their training? on only one year every four which coincides with the olympics? a statistical regression could provide a standard deviation from the mean wrt the performances and times that athletes achieve during the Olympics and preparation for the Olympics.

As MFTHAB would say NOT NORMAL

*MGTHAB = more glorious than hookers and blow (blog)

 

[Cycle Chic]

Froome has described the parasite as "[feeding] on your red blood cells, so for an endurance athlete it's basically doing the opposite of what [performance-enhancing drug] EPO does. It was a nightmare."

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2013/jul/19/chris-froome-kenyan-tour-de-france

from 2013 in the Guardian

Does he really mention Epo ???? that is a direct quote !

 

[Libertine Seguros]

That just reminded me of Isidro Nozal. He was another guy who had a classic Froome-esque transformation at the Vuelta back in '03. Nearly won it despite little palmarès to speak of beforehand. Grew to notoriety because he didn't shower during Grand Tours because of thinking it would soften his muscles. Can only imagine what would have been going on at ONCE had this kind of reaction been faced. In the 40º+ heat of southern Spain too. Ugh.

buffalo gonzalez in giro, and the other gonzalez beating oscarlito in spain for kelme too, and when cunego beats simoni, quite a few mega *** transformations in three week races

The AITORMINATOR© was 6th in the Giro that year and had won the Vuelta a Murcía a year earlier, so while him riding like he did to win the Vuelta was ridiculous, he was a guy with results. Búfalo Gutiérrez had plenty of results but few in the type of race he was doing in the 2006 Giro; he was however hopelessly outclassed by Basso. Cunego was 22 at the time, already in ridiculous form, and aided by an abysmal GT parcours that perfectly suited him. He's also hinted to us that he was doping then.

The Froome ones, really, are the likes of Melcior Mauri (who had never cracked the top 50 of a GT but had won some small races leading into that Vuelta) or Santiago Pérez (whose best result pre-2004 Vuelta was 7th in Romandie).

 

[roundabout]

Santi got stiffed a stage win in the 2002 Giro by the UCI.

And the 2002 Giro 6th place was already Aitor 2.0 with the final TT being particularly hilarious.

 

[TMJ]

I'm trying to work out a contradiction here that comes from Froome's performance at the 2014 Vuelta.

At that race he was clearly one-paced in the mountains and churned away at his own tempo, constantly looking down at his power meter, while maintaining a steady distance between himself and the leaders.

Even the commentators were saying things like: "He doesn't want to go into the red," and: "He's sticking to his own pace and time-trialling his way up the climb. That's his style."

No it isn't! As we have seen in the Tour '15 he is explosive in the climbs and his change of pace is devastating.

Is the Vuelta '14 performance different 'cos his season was set up around Le Tour and he did not prepare in the best way, basically falling into the race to save his season, or is there another theory?

 

[Benotti69]

Could be that Sky held back the juice as it is a Spanish race and the Spanish like to win their own race.

Could be the Spanish rider were better 'prepared' and knew that they wouldn't test positive in Spain.

The sport has many different agendas with the different federations all trying to 'improve' things for their own......

 

[The Hitch]

Re:

Didn't watch today's stage but saw an instagram picture of Quintana attacking followed by Nibali and VV and immediately thought Froome lost time today and was eager to check the results.

Oh well, why did I even expect anything else.

Froome continues his streak of beating his rivals on every stage, even when he's not going particularly hard.

 

[Benotti69]

Kimmage asked Chris Froome when he interviewed him last year about his '11 Vuelta, "Did team sky not ask about his meteroic rise in performance?" Froome answered "No, never". Brailsford is quoted in a dailymail article saying he discussed this with the Team Doctor as he was "baffled"..

Sky cant get their stories straight.

Froome also claims to have never looked at his passport, which is strange considering his Bilharzia.

Sky's doctor at the time Richard Freeman never saw anything untoward on his ABP.

All strange, if this wasn't pro cycling.........

 

[Benotti69]

Kimmage's anti-dote to Walsh

today's article

http://www.pressreader.com/ireland/sport1322/20150719/281663958695450/TextView

 

[Señor_Contador]

Re: Re:

I wonder when people realise that it's not about Froome but the fact that Contador is in piss poor form, just like Nibali.

How comes its so hard for Contador and Nibali and every other rider in the peloton to get form but Wiggo and now Froome can peak for any race they want to at ease?

When I first got into cycling - about 7 years ago - I remember asking myself the same question about Armstrong: how could he peak 7 years in a row, but the current guys were totally erratic: good one Tour, rubbish the next.

I seriously asked myself that question... with a straight face.

But gimme a break, I was a total newbie.

What's even more laughable than my question are the people who never think to ask that question... whether about Armstrong during his reign, or Sky now.

Let's be realistic, Armstrong's doping system was way more advanced than anyone else's. And it didn't just involve needles, doctors and drugs, there was a whole structure of which assets of LiveStrong were a part of (indirectly and unsuspecting). Meaning Lance would update the whereabouts form just in time, let it be known he was flying to Aukland, New Zealand, in the private jet and land in Melbourne because of "bad weather" (meaning someone tipped him off of the presence of WADA folks). That sort of thing. He had the system so rigged it would've been nearly impossible for him, and his teammates, not to come in in shape.

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Re:

I wonder when people realise that it's not about Froome but the fact that Contador is in piss poor form, just like Nibali.

How comes its so hard for Contador and Nibali and every other rider in the peloton to get form but Wiggo and now Froome can peak for any race they want to at ease?

When I first got into cycling - about 7 years ago - I remember asking myself the same question about Armstrong: how could he peak 7 years in a row, but the current guys were totally erratic: good one Tour, rubbish the next.

I seriously asked myself that question... with a straight face.

But gimme a break, I was a total newbie.

What's even more laughable than my question are the people who never think to ask that question... whether about Armstrong during his reign, or Sky now.

Let's be realistic, Armstrong's doping system was way more advanced than anyone else's. And it didn't just involve needles, doctors and drugs, there was a whole structure of which assets of LiveStrong were a part of (indirectly and unsuspecting). Meaning Lance would update the whereabouts form just in time, let it be known he was flying to Aukland, New Zealand, in the private jet and land in Melbourne because of "bad weather" (meaning someone tipped him off of the presence of WADA folks). That sort of thing. He had the system so rigged it would've been nearly impossible for him, and his teammates, not to come in in shape.

Sky have a similar back up logistically via the Murdoch empire. How many private jets does the Murdoch's companies have?

Sky have a a BCF member as head of UCI.

 

[The Hitch]

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Kimmage's anti-dote to Walsh

today's article

http://www.pressreader.com/ireland/sport1322/20150719/281663958695450/TextView

I don't see it.

Edit: sorry can now. Thought I had deleted this post.

 

[rainman]

Re:

Kimmage's anti-dote to Walsh

today's article

http://www.pressreader.com/ireland/sport1322/20150719/281663958695450/TextView

Greg Lemond also calling for transparency on ES today.

 

[Señor_Contador]

Re: Re:

Sky have a similar back up logistically via the Murdoch empire. How many private jets does the Murdoch's companies have?

Sky have a a BCF member as head of UCI.

I have a feeling "UK Postal" (AKA "Sky") has a much tighter grip on the process than anyone else before. Makes sense, Big Money is behind the operation, hence nothing will come of it. God knows how much they paid Walsh to shut his mouth.

What is telling though, is their as-of-lately character assassination tendencies. At first, DB, started out with the usual "open doors polity/we're clean/we have nothing to hide/we hate doping" rhetoric. Then it moved to "Ok, we've answered enough questions about doping already". Next step will be to outright censor certain, inquiring, journalists.

UK Postal indeed. It's like they took what US Postal was doing and took it up a notch. "What? Lance was giving money to the UCI? We're going to put out man in the UCI".

 

[The Hitch]

Re: Re:

Kimmage's anti-dote to Walsh

today's article

http://www.pressreader.com/ireland/sport1322/20150719/281663958695450/TextView

Greg Lemond also calling for transparency on ES today.

The problem with calls for transparency is that if Sky ever do take it up, say this year, they will essentially whitewash the entire last 5 years of doping, lying and not being transparent but saying - oh we did give you transparency (eventually)

 

[blackcat]

nice posts.
so did he use high octane fuel for that Vuelta by himself, to get a 2012 contract or did Sky used him as a guinea pig?

and if he did it by himself in 2011, then did Sky decide to put hom on the "program" the following year?

obviously by himself, was he listed on the squad before the Tour of Poland, or was he a late inclusion, i think he may have been lobbying for a final opportunity at Sky and went all in in poker parlance

ok, but from 2012 on, I don't think he's doing it my himself

no, he is getting the team support now wrt doping program and a motoman. not in the 2011 Vuelta.

but the 2011 Vuelta, who won that? Contador or Mosquero or Perez? I cant remember, but I know Wiggo was third or fourth, and vroome was second or third. But vroome could have been one higher, if Wigans worked for vroom. like Landis said about the 2012 TdF, that vroome was the strongest and stronger than Wigans.

In 2007, if Contador worked for Leipheimer, Leipheimer would have won the Tour, and been higher than Contador, and finished faster than Contador did

 

[Señor_Contador]

Anyone know the name of the hotel where Froome stayed when the WADA folks showed up?

 

[bigcog]

nice posts.
so did he use high octane fuel for that Vuelta by himself, to get a 2012 contract or did Sky used him as a guinea pig?

and if he did it by himself in 2011, then did Sky decide to put hom on the "program" the following year?

obviously by himself, was he listed on the squad before the Tour of Poland, or was he a late inclusion, i think he may have been lobbying for a final opportunity at Sky and went all in in poker parlance

ok, but from 2012 on, I don't think he's doing it my himself

no, he is getting the team support.

but the 2011 Vuelta, who won that? Contador or Mosquero or Perez? I cant remember, but I know Wiggo was third or fourth, and vroome was second or third. But vroome could have been one higher, if Wigans worked for vroom. like Landis said about the 2012 TdF, that vroome was the strongest and stronger than Wigans.

In 2007, if Contador worked for Leipheimer, Leipheimer would have won the Tour, and been higher than Contador, and finished faster than Contador did

Cobo won it, Froome second, Wiggins third. Mosquera was banned by then I think.

 

[meat puppet]

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The problem with calls for transparency is that if Sky ever do take it up, say this year, they will essentially whitewash the entire last 5 years of doping, lying and not being transparent but saying - oh we did give you transparency (eventually)

Good point. I don't think anything close to what one might dare call transparency will occur. Even if it does, I think it will leave Sky & Froome enough room to manouvre, ie. orchestrate a highly restricted media stunt and call it a victory.

Also, by now everyone should know that the most relevant data concerns the jump in levels before and after Vuelta 2011, which the badzhillah does not explain away. Individual climbs might trigger suspicion, sure, but the transformation is the big bang that needs an explanation. If the transparency angle can put enough pressure on them on this score and push Sky & Froome towards releasing from the pre-Vuelta years (Barloworld included), good. Doubt it, but worth the shot I guess.

Kimmage's article was good in giving a compressed timeline of the unfulfilled promises of transparency and the discrepancies between Froome's and Sky's stories.

 

[Dalakhani]

Boardman on ITV today leaned heavily on the "no evidence" argument.

We do have evidence: our eyes.

What we don't have is a failed drug test. But, given the drug takers are so far ahead of the drug testers, why would anyone take that as a sign of innocence?