Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[wendybnt]

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Boardman on ITV today leaned heavily on the "no evidence" argument.

We do have evidence: our eyes.

What we don't have is a failed drug test. But, given the drug takers are so far ahead of the drug testers, why would anyone take that as a sign of innocence?

Whilst I suspect that you and I have drawn the same conclusions as to how Team Sky are managing to be so strong, Boardman is also quite correct from the position from which he is talking. I've watched the British coverage (ITV) and they are frequently voicing why there is the disquiet, without actually endorsing it. The reason they aren't endorsing it is because they can't because there is, like it or not, actually no evidence.

 

[Benotti69]

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The problem with calls for transparency is that if Sky ever do take it up, say this year, they will essentially whitewash the entire last 5 years of doping, lying and not being transparent but saying - oh we did give you transparency (eventually)

Good point. I don't think anything close to what one might dare call transparency will occur. Even if it does, I think it will leave Sky & Froome enough room to manouvre, ie. orchestrate a highly restricted media stunt and call it a victory.

Also, by now everyone should know that the most relevant data concerns the jump in levels before and after Vuelta 2011, which the badzhillah does not explain away. Individual climbs might trigger suspicion, sure, but the transformation is the big bang that needs an explanation. If the transparency angle can put enough pressure on them on this score and push Sky & Froome towards releasing from the pre-Vuelta years (Barloworld included), good. Doubt it, but worth the shot I guess.

Kimmage's article was good in giving a compressed timeline of the unfulfilled promises of transparency and the discrepancies between Froome's and Sky's stories.

It is too easy for Sky to control the 'message', sponsored/owned by Murdoch and the guy who took down the biggest sporting fraud writing their PR.

Dont need to produce anything, as Kimmage put it to Brailsford, when he still worked for ST, he hoped Brailsford would be seen to 'do' the right things rather than 'say' they will do the right things.......Sky have not 'done' the right thing in regards to clean and transparency.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

http://www.pressreader.com/ireland/sport1322/20150719/281663958695450/TextView

 

[The Carrot]

From Sky's version of Pravda, AKA the Guardian:

"Chris Froome and Sky are in exalted company when it comes to sniping. Eddy Merckx, Bernard Hinault and Miguel Indurain, all great Tour de France champions, also endured criticism"

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/jul/18/chris-froome-sky-tour-de-france-eddie-merckx

While the article's theme is on people sniping at individuals dominating the Tdf, I guess that the Guardian is hoping that the new generation of cycling fans/readers will miss what the 'exalted company' have in common.

 

[meat puppet]

Following the Guardian's coverage of the Tour and another July event, the latest nasty turns of the Eurozone crisis, there's a hilarious discrepancy. With regard to the latter, the Guardian constantly runs rather critical, even leftfield, articles on the Eurozone crisis by economists and political scientists whom the powers that be would most likely want to call bone idle pseudoscientists. Then they go on printing Sky press releases about Sky at the same time. So in one context, doubting the received opinion and giving serious thought to alternative viewpoints is endorsed. In another, not so, go team GB.

 

[zalacain]

and protocol ceremony has to wait for Froome to "warm down". Does anti-doping control have to wait as well?

 

[Franklin]

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http://www.pressreader.com/ireland/sport1322/20150719/281663958695450/TextView

Okay, my eyes went POP. And my "like" meter moved quite a bit towards Chris.

1, Froome knew about Leinders. A f*******g honest answer.
2. Froome admits he used Tramadol
3. Froome did not work with Kerrison, the whole babble about that was just a smokescreen.

How about some confirmation that Dave Brailsford is a blight on this sport. I say it again: the guy needs to be banned from the sport. He's serial lieing about everything involving Sky and doping.

 

[The Carrot]

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Following the Guardian's coverage of the Tour and another July event, the latest nasty turns of the Eurozone crisis, there's a hilarious discrepancy. With regard to the latter, the Guardian constantly runs rather critical, even leftfield, articles on the Eurozone crisis by economists and political scientists whom the powers that be would most likely want to call bone idle pseudoscientists. Then they go on printing Sky press releases about Sky at the same time. So in one context, doubting the received opinion and giving serious thought to alternative viewpoints is endorsed. In another, not so, go team GB.

Excellent point, good (investigative) journalism seems to 'stop dead' when it comes to sport. I can only assume that the media understand the importance of 'panem et circenses' (bread and games) and don't want peoples' heroes to be challenged in any way.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Re:

Following the Guardian's coverage of the Tour and another July event, the latest nasty turns of the Eurozone crisis, there's a hilarious discrepancy. With regard to the latter, the Guardian constantly runs rather critical, even leftfield, articles on the Eurozone crisis by economists and political scientists whom the powers that be would most likely want to call bone idle pseudoscientists. Then they go on printing Sky press releases about Sky at the same time. So in one context, doubting the received opinion and giving serious thought to alternative viewpoints is endorsed. In another, not so, go team GB.

http://www.pressreader.com/ireland/sport1322/20150719/281663958695450/TextView

Okay, my eyes went POP. And my "like" meter moved quite a bit towards Chris.

1, Froome knew about Leinders. A f*******g honest answer.
2. Froome admits he used Tramadol
3. Froome did not work with Kerrison, the whole babble about that was just a smokescreen.

How about some confirmation that Dave Brailsford is a blight on this sport. I say it again: the guy needs to be banned from the sport. He's serial lieing about everything involving Sky and doping.

Perhaps samhocking can shed his light on these posts? Good posts that is.

 

[Benotti69]

I read this on Cosmo's twitter ;

Cyclocosm.com ‏@Cyclocosm 23 hours ago

So shortly after the potential debunking of a 2013 urine-throwing incident, a second urine-throwing occurs?

anyone know anything about this "potential debunking of a 2013 urine-throwing incident" at Cav?

Also, how come this was not caught on TV moto cam as Froome in yellow D) would always have a camera on him?

or how could one of the thousands of fans dont have a phone image of it?

Sky BS and lies.......

 

[The Carrot]

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I read this on Cosmo's twitter ;

Cyclocosm.com ‏@Cyclocosm 23 hours ago

So shortly after the potential debunking of a 2013 urine-throwing incident, a second urine-throwing occurs?

anyone know anything about this "potential debunking of a 2013 urine-throwing incident" at Cav?

Also, how come this was not caught on TV moto cam as Froome in yellow D) would always have a camera on him?

or how could one of the thousands of fans dont have a phone image of it?

Sky BS and lies.......

You got there before me, they could just say this stuff to gain sympathy. Is there any proof?

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Re:

I read this on Cosmo's twitter ;

Cyclocosm.com ‏@Cyclocosm 23 hours ago

So shortly after the potential debunking of a 2013 urine-throwing incident, a second urine-throwing occurs?

anyone know anything about this "potential debunking of a 2013 urine-throwing incident" at Cav?

Also, how come this was not caught on TV moto cam as Froome in yellow D) would always have a camera on him?

or how could one of the thousands of fans dont have a phone image of it?

Sky BS and lies.......

You got there before me, they could just say this stuff to gain sympathy. Is there any proof?

Considering how much Sky and their fans demand proof, they offer very little themselves, if any....

 

[buckle]

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Boardman on ITV today leaned heavily on the "no evidence" argument.

We do have evidence: our eyes.

What we don't have is a failed drug test. But, given the drug takers are so far ahead of the drug testers, why would anyone take that as a sign of innocence?

Whilst I suspect that you and I have drawn the same conclusions as to how Team Sky are managing to be so strong, Boardman is also quite correct from the position from which he is talking. I've watched the British coverage (ITV) and they are frequently voicing why there is the disquiet, without actually endorsing it. The reason they aren't endorsing it is because they can't because there is, like it or not, actually no evidence.

It's in the commercial interest of many British companies to hurt SKY. I am baffled by their reluctance to do so.

 

[Pierrot le Fou]

Interesting to listen to Brailsford on French TV talking about all the power numbers being just estimates and that people can't work them out exactly without all the numbers (eg riders' weight). He was then asked what Froome's weight is now, and said he doesn't know, Sky don't weigh people every day unlike most teams. Seems amazing that a team who are so far in advance in sports science that they are wiping the floor with their competition, don't even check their riders' weight.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

NO STONE LEFT UNTURNED.

 

[BYOP88]

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Interesting to listen to Brailsford on French TV talking about all the power numbers being just estimates and that people can't work them out exactly without all the numbers (eg riders' weight). He was then asked what Froome's weight is now, and said he doesn't know, Sky don't weigh people every day unlike most teams. Seems amazing that a team who are so far in advance in sports science that they are wiping the floor with their competition, don't even check their riders' weight.

Well that's what Leinders did according to Kennaugh. Seems Sky haven't got a replacement since Leinders left.

 

[The Carrot]

Re:

Interesting to listen to Brailsford on French TV talking about all the power numbers being just estimates and that people can't work them out exactly without all the numbers (eg riders' weight). He was then asked what Froome's weight is now, and said he doesn't know, Sky don't weigh people every day unlike most teams. Seems amazing that a team who are so far in advance in sports science that they are wiping the floor with their competition, don't even check their riders' weight.

Peter Kennaugh Twitter: We weren't trained by him (Leinders) so no, he took are (sic) weights in the morning.

 

[Franklin]

So let me get this straight.

They hired Leinders (who must have cost a pretty penny) to do weight measurements and treat saddle sores. This is so incredibly complicated they had to hire someone of the calibre of Leinders.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Sky have been urinating on the sport of cycling for years, and now they complain because a fan threw a cup back?

Look, such behavior is despicable, but Sky would have a better leg to stand on if they respected the fans and refrained from their constant BS.

 

[ray j willings]

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So let me get this straight.

They hired Leinders (who must have cost a pretty penny) to do weight measurements and treat saddle sores. This is so incredibly complicated they had to hire someone of the calibre of Leinders.

Chicken testifying to his real skills ,,I wonder if Leinder's weighed him

I do not regret that I took doping if that’s what you’re asking,” Rasmussen said. “I think that was a condition in order to be competitive and battling for what I was battling for in those times. I was pursuing victory in the Tour de France since I was 8 years old. If I had to stop that pursuit, I would have stopped it ten years before.

“I did what I felt I needed to do in order to be competitive, to achieve the goals.”

 

[meat puppet]

Thought it was lowest of the low tech to check riders' weights pre and post stage to see how dehydrated they are. But what do I know. Brailsford and his attention to detail surely has this covered.

 

[Poursuivant]

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So let me get this straight.

They hired Leinders (who must have cost a pretty penny) to do weight measurements and treat saddle sores. This is so incredibly complicated they had to hire someone of the calibre of Leinders.

But I thought Sky, Brailsford and BC had nailed how to dope since the Olympic track wins began, why would they need an outsider to administer it?

 

[ChewbaccaDefense]

Re: Re:

So let me get this straight.

They hired Leinders (who must have cost a pretty penny) to do weight measurements and treat saddle sores. This is so incredibly complicated they had to hire someone of the calibre of Leinders.

But I thought Sky, Brailsford and BC had nailed how to dope since the Olympic track wins began, why would they need an outsider to administer it?

Because as is the case with anything related to cycling (or any sport for that matter), doping will progress because someone will want to extend their advantage. Really, how can someone miss such a remedial concept?

 

[Benotti69]

Tour de France leader Chris Froome would be well advised to invite questions



http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/paul-kimmage-tour-de-france-leader-chris-froome-would-be-well-advised-to-invite-questions-31386946.html

...........

........... The only thing that can save this sport is transparency.

 

[dottigirl]

Quite a takedown of Jalabert on ITV4 today. Good viewing.