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If Froome was holding 5.7w/kg for one hour FTP test in 2007 at 70kg's then he would have been winning just about every race he was in.

Jussi Veikkanen's FTP was 5.65 w/kg. Not won too much.

He came 5th at the (fricken) Comm Games TT 3 years later, 2 minutes behind the winner, Mr squeaky clean Millar.

I've asked Dr Michael Hutchinson if he has his W/kg from the TT on twitter but not sure if he's willing to answer. Doesn't factor in aero etc but still some sort of gauge.

For the record, I am doubting Froome was doing 5.7W/kg.

6th place looks interesting at nearly another minute further back...

 

[Dear Wiggo]

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If Froome was holding 5.7w/kg for one hour FTP test in 2007 at 70kg's then he would have been winning just about every race he was in.

Jussi Veikkanen's FTP was 5.65 w/kg. Not won too much.

He came 5th at the (fricken) Comm Games TT 3 years later, 2 minutes behind the winner, Mr squeaky clean Millar.

I've asked Dr Michael Hutchinson if he has his W/kg from the TT on twitter but not sure if he's willing to answer. Doesn't factor in aero etc but still some sort of gauge.

For the record, I am doubting Froome was doing 5.7W/kg.

6th place looks interesting at nearly another minute further back...

He was a trackie and only just turned pro 3 years later, I believe.

 

[Benotti69]

Since Richard Moore was the invited 'independent' (hahahahaha) witness to Froome's 'independent' (hahahahaha) testing and is going to be writing about it, i found his answer to whether Cookson is better than McQuaid

Question
I think we can all agree that Cookson is less obtuse than Pat McQuaid was, but do you think the UCI ship has really changed course. If so, is it for the better? If not, what else could they be doing?


Richard Moore
I don't doubt Cookson's integrity or commitment to doing the right thing but it can't be easy skippering the good ship UCI. He's made some progress, and I like that he's trying to be transparent and democratic, but I think he has to impose himself more. That said, he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. Impose himself too much and he'll incur the wrath of ASO and others. Not straightforward, is it?

Phew, now that does stink of omerta!!!!

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Can anyone remind me on the progress that Cookson has made?

 

[TheSpud]

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Funny that "the best post in a while" has such glaringly faulty data

Care to 'correct' the data or you just gonna whinge?

He corrected the gradient on PSM, nothing else. The post still stands as it was about Froome's 2007 data. Spud is trying to tell us Froome might have an average watts of 400w in 2007 for an hour, not possible.

Froome might have done 5.7w for 10 minutes but not for an hour.

I said no such thing. I said that IF the data showed he had a big engine (fir example 5.7w/kg) would it change people's view. I got my answer - it wont change many peoples since they have made their mind up.

Hogs presentation of data is suspect in the extreme - "just about an hour for 40km" when it was 54 mins, so a10% error. More than any adjustment for strange shaped chainrings.

10% gradient, when in fact it was 7.4% - almost a 50% error.

 

[thehog]

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Funny that "the best post in a while" has such glaringly faulty data

Care to 'correct' the data or you just gonna whinge?

He corrected the gradient on PSM, nothing else. The post still stands as it was about Froome's 2007 data. Spud is trying to tell us Froome might have an average watts of 400w in 2007 for an hour, not possible.

Froome might have done 5.7w for 10 minutes but not for an hour.

I said no such thing. I said that IF the data showed he had a big engine (fir example 5.7w/kg) would it change people's view. I got my answer - it wont change many peoples since they have made their mind up.

Hogs presentation of data is suspect in the extreme - "just about an hour for 40km" when it was 54 mins, so a10% error. More than any adjustment for strange shaped chainrings.

10% gradient, when in fact it was 7.4% - almost a 50% error.

Again, how could the 2007 data show 5.7w/kg.

In 2007 he'd need to produce 400w avg for an hour. If Froome's 2007 data show's 5.7 then rightly people would question the validity of the test because every time in that timeframe 2006-2010 he never went anywhere near producing 400w avg for a given hour (FTP) in TTs.

That's why people don't agree, along with you not understanding how the value is created.

5.7 on its own is meaningless, not sure why you continue to present it as a "big engine". Context is very important here.

 

[TailWindHome]

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Since Richard Moore was the invited 'independent' (hahahahaha) witness to Froome's 'independent' (hahahahaha) testing and is going to be writing about it, i found his answer to whether Cookson is better than McQuaid

Where was Moore described as an independent witness?

 

[thehog]

The 2006 top three whilst solid pros have not exactly set the world alight…I know Mcauley as he rode in the UK I think but from memory was a sort of burly one day specialist…never really known for his TT ability…..looking at the palmares of the other two medallists…well…they never really bothered the top end of a world class TT….ever. It’s not like there were world class Commie riders like Obree, Millar, Boardman, Yates, Dowsett in the field…so he loses 5.20 over 53 mins in what is in effect a national standard TT….and that is what really catches Sir Dave’s eye….

Fairly funny isn't it?.... DB is outright lying here.

 

[Benotti69]

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Since Richard Moore was the invited 'independent' (hahahahaha) witness to Froome's 'independent' (hahahahaha) testing and is going to be writing about it, i found his answer to whether Cookson is better than McQuaid

Where was Moore described as an independent witness?

He is not independent, dont ya see. All part of the smoke screen. Just have to read his views on Cookson to know he wont rock the boat.

 

[Nick C.]

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Can anyone remind me on the progress that Cookson has made?

His companies and/or family are not promoting bike races in distant lands that get fast tracked onto the WorldTour (or whatever the name du joor is) calendar. and, and, and, um, er, um

 

[Benotti69]

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Funny that "the best post in a while" has such glaringly faulty data

Care to 'correct' the data or you just gonna whinge?

He corrected the gradient on PSM, nothing else. The post still stands as it was about Froome's 2007 data. Spud is trying to tell us Froome might have an average watts of 400w in 2007 for an hour, not possible.

Froome might have done 5.7w for 10 minutes but not for an hour.

I said no such thing. I said that IF the data showed he had a big engine (fir example 5.7w/kg) would it change people's view. I got my answer - it wont change many peoples since they have made their mind up.

Hogs presentation of data is suspect in the extreme - "just about an hour for 40km" when it was 54 mins, so a10% error. More than any adjustment for strange shaped chainrings.

10% gradient, when in fact it was 7.4% - almost a 50% error.

Again, how could the 2007 data show 5.7w/kg.

In 2007 he'd need to produce 400w avg for an hour. If Froome's 2007 data show's 5.7 then rightly people would question the validity of the test because every time in that timeframe 2006-2010 he never went anywhere near producing 400w avg for a given hour (FTP) in TTs.

That's why people don't agree, along with you not understanding how the value is created.

5.7 on its own is meaningless, not sure why you continue to present it as a "big engine". Context is very important here.

Froomey has a big engine, they were putting Diesel into it rather than superplus petrol

 

[Benotti69]

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Can anyone remind me on the progress that Cookson has made?

I bet his Swiss bank account has progressed exponentially

 

[thehog]

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Can anyone remind me on the progress that Cookson has made?

His companies and/or family are not promoting bike races in distant lands that get fast tracked onto the WorldTour (or whatever the name du joor is) calendar. and, and, and, um, er, um

Cookson is busy taking selfie's with cyclists that he is a fan of, attending UCI gala events in Dubai and re-watching footage of cameras on bikes for fun. Occasionally he speaks and releases a PDF file on some random no-name pro he was caught doping. He does let off English speaking riders like Froome, Impey and Rogers when he gets bored though.

Most of the time they try and keep Brian away from interviews as he tends to fluff his lines and suggest a rider has extreme blood values.

 

[gillan1969]

The 2006 top three whilst solid pros have not exactly set the world alight…I know Mcauley as he rode in the UK I think but from memory was a sort of burly one day specialist…never really known for his TT ability…..looking at the palmares of the other two medallists…well…they never really bothered the top end of a world class TT….ever. It’s not like there were world class Commie riders like Obree, Millar, Boardman, Yates, Dowsett in the field…so he loses 5.20 over 53 mins in what is in effect a national standard TT….and that is what really catches Sir Dave’s eye….

Fairly funny isn't it?.... DB is outright lying here.

meanwhile...the guy he's whipping up the mountains...you know the tiny wee columbian guy...had knocked in a Tour de L'Avenir when a year younger.... test. face. straight. Wonder if Sir Dave goes to the Avenir...you know, to see...what might the french call it....the future

 

[Beech Mtn]

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Can anyone remind me on the progress that Cookson has made?

His companies and/or family are not promoting bike races in distant lands that get fast tracked onto the WorldTour (or whatever the name du joor is) calendar. and, and, and, um, er, um

Cookson is busy taking selfie's with cyclists that he is a fan of, attending UCI gala events in Dubai and re-watching footage of cameras on bikes for fun. Occasionally he speaks and releases a PDF file on some random no-name pro he was caught doping. He does let off English speaking riders like Froome, Impey and Rogers when he gets bored though.

Most of the time they try and keep Brian away from interviews as he tends to fluff his lines and suggest a rider has extreme blood values.

Ah, the UCI prom. Where we saw the results of the push for more visibility for women's cycling, with the one female cyclist that apparently was invited. You might've missed seeing her however, as most cycling sites felt the need to include at most one photo of her (usually in a line of a bunch of guys + Laura Meseguer). But hey, the sites included lots of photos of Laura, so, score one for "Lady Cycling" (to use Ryo's term).

Oh, and there's the new one day women's race in Paris that didn't actually pay out any of the prize money. But still, it got a lot of publicity for Lady Cycling, so thanks Cookie! Good job

 

[thehog]

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Can anyone remind me on the progress that Cookson has made?

His companies and/or family are not promoting bike races in distant lands that get fast tracked onto the WorldTour (or whatever the name du joor is) calendar. and, and, and, um, er, um

Cookson is busy taking selfie's with cyclists that he is a fan of, attending UCI gala events in Dubai and re-watching footage of cameras on bikes for fun. Occasionally he speaks and releases a PDF file on some random no-name pro he was caught doping. He does let off English speaking riders like Froome, Impey and Rogers when he gets bored though.

Most of the time they try and keep Brian away from interviews as he tends to fluff his lines and suggest a rider has extreme blood values.

Ah, the UCI prom. Where we saw the results of the push for more visibility for women's cycling, with the one female cyclist that apparently was invited. You might've missed seeing her however, as most cycling sites felt the need to include at most one photo of her (usually in a line of a bunch of guys + Laura Meseguer). But hey, the sites included lots of photos of Laura, so, score one for "Lady Cycling" (to use Ryo's term).

Oh, and there's the new one day women's race in Paris that didn't actually pay out any of the prize money. But still, it got a lot of publicity for Lady Cycling, so thanks Cookie! Good job

LOL! The UCI Prom, yes! plenty of selfies taken with Laura Meseguer and Brian's beard.

Cookson's manifesto is looking more and more hilarious by the day.

 

[The Hitch]

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Can anyone remind me on the progress that Cookson has made?

His companies and/or family are not promoting bike races in distant lands that get fast tracked onto the WorldTour (or whatever the name du joor is) calendar. and, and, and, um, er, um

Cookson is busy taking selfie's with cyclists that he is a fan of, attending UCI gala events in Dubai and re-watching footage of cameras on bikes for fun. Occasionally he speaks and releases a PDF file on some random no-name pro he was caught doping. He does let off English speaking riders like Froome, Impey and Rogers when he gets bored though.

Most of the time they try and keep Brian away from interviews as he tends to fluff his lines and suggest a rider has extreme blood values.

Ah, the UCI prom. Where we saw the results of the push for more visibility for women's cycling, with the one female cyclist that apparently was invited. You might've missed seeing her however, as most cycling sites felt the need to include at most one photo of her (usually in a line of a bunch of guys + Laura Meseguer). But hey, the sites included lots of photos of Laura, so, score one for "Lady Cycling" (to use Ryo's term).

Oh, and there's the new one day women's race in Paris that didn't actually pay out any of the prize money. But still, it got a lot of publicity for Lady Cycling, so thanks Cookie! Good job

Good post.

 

[42x16ss]

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If Froome was holding 5.7w/kg for one hour FTP test in 2007 at 70kg's then he would have been winning just about every race he was in.

Jussi Veikkanen's FTP was 5.65 w/kg. Not won too much.

He came 5th at the (fricken) Comm Games TT 3 years later, 2 minutes behind the winner, Mr squeaky clean Millar.

I've asked Dr Michael Hutchinson if he has his W/kg from the TT on twitter but not sure if he's willing to answer. Doesn't factor in aero etc but still some sort of gauge.

For the record, I am doubting Froome was doing 5.7W/kg.

6th place looks interesting at nearly another minute further back...

Not really. Dennis was 18yo, Durbridge 19 and Dowsett 20. I suspect that Millar did what he had to do and not much more, as he was probably one of the world's top 5 ITT'ers at the time.

 

[thehog]

Dawg at 5.7w/kg

 

[TheSpud]

Dawg at 5.7w/kg

Ah - this old picture. Absolute 100% proof of doping, puhhlease ....

 

[TheSpud]

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...........only here in the clinic can a positive be turned into a negative with such enthusiasm............

again...........i see good teamwork........................the foundation for cycling success

Mark L

Indeed, and if you look at the picture Froome has an injured knee, so clearly he was going to be in support mode. But hey, lets just keep trooping out this picture as its clearly central to the argument.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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...........only here in the clinic can a positive be turned into a negative with such enthusiasm............

again...........i see good teamwork........................the foundation for cycling success

Mark L

Indeed, and if you look at the picture Froome has an injured knee, so clearly he was going to be in support mode. But hey, lets just keep trooping out this picture as its clearly central to the argument.

Is this serious? using a bandage on his knee to explain why he had to give away his bike?

 

[Rollthedice]

That bandage shows only on thing. Even in those early days he showed a big talent of falling off his bike. Something he improved at Sky.

 

[gillan1969]

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...........only here in the clinic can a positive be turned into a negative with such enthusiasm............

again...........i see good teamwork........................the foundation for cycling success

Mark L

Indeed, and if you look at the picture Froome has an injured knee, so clearly he was going to be in support mode. But hey, lets just keep trooping out this picture as its clearly central to the argument.

i think its shows the humility of the man...here is the real talent..taking one for the team

 

[TheSpud]

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...........only here in the clinic can a positive be turned into a negative with such enthusiasm............

again...........i see good teamwork........................the foundation for cycling success

Mark L

Indeed, and if you look at the picture Froome has an injured knee, so clearly he was going to be in support mode. But hey, lets just keep trooping out this picture as its clearly central to the argument.

Is this serious? using a bandage on his knee to explain why he had to give away his bike?

I think if he was injured, which said bandage (looks more like a swab covering a gash) would suggest he would be in a support role, therefore expected to give up his bike for another rider who wasn't hurt/ injured. That's how a team works doesn't it?