Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[staubsauger]

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Lol what. Not even top 5?

40 000 votes compared to almost 400 000 for Murray

Hahahaha.

But cycling is supposedly growing in the united kingdom, becoming a major sport.

I'm more shocked at Lizzie's low position.. and she looked so pretty too

Its a celebrity award.

And to be fair, sport is all about celebrity in these days. Especially on the bbc but pretty much everywhere.

Lizzie aint a celebrity.

At least that major goof Hamilton ain't won.

 

[The Carrot]

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Lol what. Not even top 5?

40 000 votes compared to almost 400 000 for Murray

Hahahaha.

But cycling is supposedly growing in the united kingdom, becoming a major sport.

I'm more shocked at Lizzie's low position.. and she looked so pretty too

Its a celebrity award.

And to be fair, sport is all about celebrity in these days. Especially on the bbc but pretty much everywhere.

Lizzie aint a celebrity.

Assuming the figures they put out are correct, this is an indication of Froome's lack of popularity,celebrity and most crucially marketability. Sir Dave can seemingly pick any 'Brit' he wants to win the Tdf, and he's gonna pick one who will make them more money. You'll have noticed that Brailsford's press minions have been putting out quite a lot on Thomas' GT potential recently. Thomas is clearly the chosen one and a 'proper Brit', the Dawg should be worried. They like pooing on people and then congratulating themselves on their application of 'compassionate ruthlessness'.

Also, Thomas is considered, by some in the cycling fraternity, to have a personality due to his sense of humour. Although seeing as these people also thought that 'shut up legs' was hilarious, that bar is set quite low.

 

[The Hitch]

I'm pretty sure if Contador won the Tour and Nadal was part of a Davis Cup winning team, Contador would in Spain be seen as having had the better accomplishment. Same with Nibali and whoever the *** represents Italy, or Pinot and Tsonga or TJVG and Serena.

So it really doesn't bode well for Brailsfraud's - make cycling UK's national sport, project that Froome got outscored 10-1

And its not like he got beat out by some kind of top personality.

He lost to Andy freakin Murray.

Andy Murray won the BBC Sports Personality of the Year award and gave a fittingly heartfelt speech.

"Thanks," he said with a stone cold face, before walking off the stage.

 

[Savant12]

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I'm pretty sure if Contador won the Tour and Nadal was part of a Davis Cup winning team, Contador would in Spain be seen as having had the better accomplishment. Same with Nibali and whoever the **** represents Italy, or Pinot and Tsonga or TJVG and Serena.

So it really doesn't bode well for Brailsfraud's - make cycling UK's national sport, project that Froome got outscored 10-1

And its not like he got beat out by some kind of top personality.

He lost to Andy freakin Murray.

Andy Murray won the BBC Sports Personality of the Year award and gave a fittingly heartfelt speech.

"Thanks," he said with a stone cold face, before walking off the stage.

To be fair, Froome didn't come close in 2013 either when he won the Tour for the first time.
Andy Murray topped him that year too because he won Wimbledon. Murray got around 56% of the vote to Froome's 5%.

However, cycling has came up well in previous years.
2008 Sir Chris Hoy
2011 Cav
2012 Sir Wiggo

The Olympics in 2016 will likely dictate who gets the award next year. Might even be Mo Farah's year

 

[blackcat]

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I'm pretty sure if Contador won the Tour and Nadal was part of a Davis Cup winning team, Contador would in Spain be seen as having had the better accomplishment. Same with Nibali and whoever the **** represents Italy, or Pinot and Tsonga or TJVG and Serena.

So it really doesn't bode well for Brailsfraud's - make cycling UK's national sport, project that Froome got outscored 10-1

And its not like he got beat out by some kind of top personality.

He lost to Andy freakin Murray.

Andy Murray won the BBC Sports Personality of the Year award and gave a fittingly heartfelt speech.

"Thanks," he said with a stone cold face, before walking off the stage.

its cos Froome is more Saffa than Brit.

He still talks in his Saffa lilt, p'raps not as strong as Kevin Pietersen, but it is still there. He is not British*, so why would the public vote for him.

*Brit by accident of his mothers passport. But not a Brit.

 

[fmk_RoI]

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You'll have noticed that Brailsford's press minions have been putting out quite a lot on Thomas' GT potential recently.

I may be misremembering this but wasn't Thomas's GC potential being talked up when he donned the white jersey in 2011, even before the wheels came off Wiggins's ride? And he's pretty much been talked up ever since.

 

[blackcat]

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You'll have noticed that Brailsford's press minions have been putting out quite a lot on Thomas' GT potential recently.

I may be misremembering this but wasn't Thomas' GC potential being talked up when he donned the white jersey in 2011, even before the wheels came off Wiggins's ride? And he's pretty much been talked up ever since.

in public relations terms, dont they call this "setting the field" or "setting the ground" or "setting the goal posts"... so the public is not astounded when G comes out of nowhere and wins the TdF.

Dont think even the Sky Procycling fanboi(s) are gonna believe that they can just pull another GT winner out of their rectum like a magic trick of muscular christianity.

G would be getting pretty antsy at his opportunity for a big payday and his own pad in Belgravia London with the Russian oil oligarchs and mineral tycoons.

 

[The Hitch]

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You'll have noticed that Brailsford's press minions have been putting out quite a lot on Thomas' GT potential recently.

I may be misremembering this but wasn't Thomas's GC potential being talked up when he donned the white jersey in 2011, even before the wheels came off Wiggins's ride? And he's pretty much been talked up ever since.

Maybe some of the usual -he's British and young so he will win the tdf treatment that Millar and even cav got.

But it was only this last off season that brailsford started really selling it. Least that's how I remember it.

 

[blackcat]

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You'll have noticed that Brailsford's press minions have been putting out quite a lot on Thomas' GT potential recently.

I may be misremembering this but wasn't Thomas's GC potential being talked up when he donned the white jersey in 2011, even before the wheels came off Wiggins's ride? And he's pretty much been talked up ever since.

Maybe some of the usual -he's British and young so he will win the tdf treatment that Millar and even cav got.

But it was only this last off season that brailsford started really selling it. Least that's how I remember it.

Brailsford is merely setting the turf so when G wins the TdF that no Brits are suprised. Mebbe Dan Martin will be, but he races under a paddie licence. more Brit than Froome tho

 

[fmk_RoI]

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in public relations terms, dont they call this "setting the field" or "setting the ground" or "setting the goal posts"... so the public is not astounded when G comes out of nowhere and wins the TdF.

So when he becomes an overnight success after five and more years of hard graft ... sorry, I can't, I really do think you're either over-thinking this or over-reaching in order to make the facts fit the preferred narrative.

 

[Benotti69]

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in public relations terms, dont they call this "setting the field" or "setting the ground" or "setting the goal posts"... so the public is not astounded when G comes out of nowhere and wins the TdF.

So when he becomes an overnight success after five and more years of hard graft ... sorry, I can't, I really do think you're either over-thinking this or over-reaching in order to make the facts fit the preferred narrative.

Hard graft does not make a rider a GT contender. Natural ability does oh and a huge load of PEDs.

 

[blackcat]

what 69 he says ^

 

[thehog]

Re: The Froome Files, test data only thread

I was thinking the same thing. He never actually wore sandshoes, he was riding in Europe at age 21 on full carbon bikes (LOOK & FELT), with coaching and using power meters, racing in Italy, Belguim, Japan, Switzerland etc. That's not a lot different than any Australian or American. His bikes and kit is the same as any European.

The poor equipment story is a myth.

 

[blackcat]

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I just want to call BS on something else. Wasn't the story that Froome didn't have decent gear until Barloworld, or even Sky? Looking at the fourth photo down, Froome is riding a Cervelo Soloist (a pro level frame until late 2006), with 10s Record (again pro level), Zipp front wheel, HeD rear and an SRM.

I would hate for that to be my low end gear

come on 42x16ss

you know he is referring to the extra[sic] round wheels that Sky were developing with Boeing and Cambridge technology... so Froome is right and you are wrong!

 

[blackcat]

Hog, you say "myth".

how about, "LIES".

as an attorney in court they would say "I put it to you that this goes to evidence of trend of dissembling, diversion, deflection, and L I E S".

yeah, he never even had pythons as pets, he never stole rabbits from the kindergarten or primary school. All lies. All lies.

 

[blackcat]

we need some Kinja magic to weave some magic and a voodoo curse on The Clinic 12.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Give us more, blackcat

 

[Franklin]

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Understood.

I think being
* 22 and
* training and racing to be a pro at the World Cycling centre

is going to have a significant impact on the alleged internal fat stores.

His metabolism, attention to diet and energy expenditure is going to be drawing on fat reserves significantly moreso than yours.

During exercise, what I read is internal fat goes before external, which makes sense as it has more blood flow nearby to shift the fat.

There we go, someone making the sanity check.

Everything about Froomes early career shows he was just a pro, albeit from Africa. Even if he's more talented than Eddy Merckx, the guy has trained thousands and thousands of miles and rode 100's of races before he became pro. How else would he actually get a pro contract?

Riders have been watching their weight for as long as ther has been cycling, even at lower levels. The idea that Froome nor his support, nor his team ever looked at the weight side of the equation is absurd.

 

[GW15something]

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I would hate for that to be my low end gear

Konica had good gear...

 

[The Carrot]

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You'll have noticed that Brailsford's press minions have been putting out quite a lot on Thomas' GT potential recently.

I may be misremembering this but wasn't Thomas's GC potential being talked up when he donned the white jersey in 2011, even before the wheels came off Wiggins's ride? And he's pretty much been talked up ever since.

Maybe some of the usual -he's British and young so he will win the tdf treatment that Millar and even cav got.

But it was only this last off season that brailsford started really selling it. Least that's how I remember it.

Brailsford is merely setting the turf so when G wins the TdF that no Brits are suprised. Mebbe Dan Martin will be, but he races under a paddie licence. more Brit than Froome tho

My point was set in the context of Froome's imminent demise. He's not marketable and this has been obvious for a while. Waiting in the wings is Thomas and yes he has been touted as a contender for a while but as Hitch says, the tone of the press releases has ratcheted up in terms of him winning a grand tour. There is too much heat on Froome in terms of doping questions which there wouldn't be on Thomas as he's a 'proper' Brit and as such, he can't dope. This is exactly how BC/Sky work when they want to get rid of someone, they start bigging up the replacement while concurrently, start disadvantaging the outgoing individual to affect their results and justify the decision. Remember, winners are chosen. If you're a BC athlete and you want to know your future selection chances, read 'between the lines' in the broadsheets. Anyway, G's a 'shoe in' to win the Tdf as he's dead good at the individual pursuit, which as we know is the biggest indicator ever of GT potential.

 

[blackcat]

and Cound will be reading this, I was the first one who came out and started the OP and said he did demonstrate talent and ability. He did do Regioni and then the first Tour with Robertson. But lets be clear, all dope, and the top man will be doping. Not isolating it to one character. The sport gotta accept this as part and parcel of the charade. It is good fun.

Cound, you blocked me and Dear Wiggo on Twitter. Could you kindly unblock us. Thanks in advance. I am Forearms Van Petegem, locale Yellow Rose Austin.

 

[blackcat]

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You'll have noticed that Brailsford's press minions have been putting out quite a lot on Thomas' GT potential recently.

I may be misremembering this but wasn't Thomas's GC potential being talked up when he donned the white jersey in 2011, even before the wheels came off Wiggins's ride? And he's pretty much been talked up ever since.

Maybe some of the usual -he's British and young so he will win the tdf treatment that Millar and even cav got.

But it was only this last off season that brailsford started really selling it. Least that's how I remember it.

Brailsford is merely setting the turf so when G wins the TdF that no Brits are suprised. Mebbe Dan Martin will be, but he races under a paddie licence. more Brit than Froome tho

My point was set in the context of Froome's imminent demise. He's not marketable and this has been obvious for a while. Waiting in the wings is Thomas and yes he has been touted as a contender for a while but as Hitch says, the tone of the press releases has ratcheted up in terms of him winning a grand tour. There is too much heat on Froome in terms of doping questions which there wouldn't be on Thomas as he's a 'proper' Brit and as such, he can't dope. This is exactly how BC/Sky work when they want to get rid of someone, they start bigging up the replacement while concurrently, start disadvantaging the outgoing individual to affect their results and justify the decision. Remember, winners are chosen. If you're a BC athlete and you want to know your future selection chances, read 'between the lines' in the broadsheets. Anyway, G's a 'shoe in' to win the Tdf as he's dead good at the individual pursuit, which as we know is the biggest indicator ever of GT potential.

I agree, he is not good to sell for Rupert and Sky cos he is a Saffa and not a Brit. Lets forget the Kenya and Kinja charade and the strangling rabbits and feeding the python lies.

You just cant sell a Saffa to the British public unless he is a genius like Kevin Pietersen who has personality, hubris he deserves, and some sex appeal for the camp followers. Well, F-dawg, he lacks all those facets. Not that G is brimming with personality.

 

[thehog]

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You'll have noticed that Brailsford's press minions have been putting out quite a lot on Thomas' GT potential recently.

I may be misremembering this but wasn't Thomas's GC potential being talked up when he donned the white jersey in 2011, even before the wheels came off Wiggins's ride? And he's pretty much been talked up ever since.

Maybe some of the usual -he's British and young so he will win the tdf treatment that Millar and even cav got.

But it was only this last off season that brailsford started really selling it. Least that's how I remember it.

Brailsford is merely setting the turf so when G wins the TdF that no Brits are suprised. Mebbe Dan Martin will be, but he races under a paddie licence. more Brit than Froome tho

My point was set in the context of Froome's imminent demise. He's not marketable and this has been obvious for a while. Waiting in the wings is Thomas and yes he has been touted as a contender for a while but as Hitch says, the tone of the press releases has ratcheted up in terms of him winning a grand tour. There is too much heat on Froome in terms of doping questions which there wouldn't be on Thomas as he's a 'proper' Brit and as such, he can't dope. This is exactly how BC/Sky work when they want to get rid of someone, they start bigging up the replacement while concurrently, start disadvantaging the outgoing individual to affect their results and justify the decision. Remember, winners are chosen. If you're a BC athlete and you want to know your future selection chances, read 'between the lines' in the broadsheets. Anyway, G's a 'shoe in' to win the Tdf as he's dead good at the individual pursuit, which as we know is the biggest indicator ever of GT potential.

Agree with all of this. They want G for the win. He is way more of a draw card than Froome. Not matter how much the photoshop Froome's head on the cover of books/magazines, it just doesn't work, he doesn't look like a champion. On the bike he looks worse.

G is reasonably funny, a nice guy, looks good on a bike and does have some talent, so he is a much better pick.

Expectation is G gets the better wheel set in the ITT and Froome has to buy his own. RadioShack to make a comeback in 2017 with Froome leading and half of Sky.

 

[thehog]

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Hog, you say "myth".

how about, "LIES".

as an attorney in court they would say "I put it to you that this goes to evidence of trend of dissembling, diversion, deflection, and L I E S".

yeah, he never even had pythons as pets, he never stole rabbits from the kindergarten or primary school. All lies. All lies.

Go to any junior race through Europe. There's kids in toe clips, borrowed bikes, borrowed parts, too big, too small bikes, steel rims, you name it. It's all there. Froome was no different. It's not till someone is paying for your bike do finally get a decent one. Froome was on proper equipment at a younger age than most.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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yeah he was just so unfit and so fat when he rode to the top 20 in his first TdF with Barlo alongside Soler KOM and Kansta Siutsou. Well, he prolly finished about 23, cos someone will no doubt call me on my error.

He looks so fat here. Definitely 8kg heavier than in 2015.