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Pretty much."Jeff"":2jbcnczs][quote="tomycs said:Tbh if the Clinic accepted the everyone dopes = level playing field argument, that [insert fav team/rider here] defenders like to bring every now and then, this would be a very lonely place.
What gets to me with Sky is the greed, very similar to USPS, it seems to me english speaking folk have an obsession with winning the TdF at least 5 times or they don't matter.
kwikki said:
kwikki said:Pretty much."Jeff"":1a28bdmr][quote="tomycs said:Tbh if the Clinic accepted the everyone dopes = level playing field argument, that [insert fav team/rider here] defenders like to bring every now and then, this would be a very lonely place.
What gets to me with Sky is the greed, very similar to USPS, it seems to me english speaking folk have an obsession with winning the TdF at least 5 times or they don't matter.
Personally I think this British/English invasion hasnt done cycling any good.
"Jeff"":20iku38q][quote="kwikki said:Pretty much."Jeff"":20iku38q][quote="tomycs said:Tbh if the Clinic accepted the everyone dopes = level playing field argument, that [insert fav team/rider here] defenders like to bring every now and then, this would be a very lonely place.
What gets to me with Sky is the greed, very similar to USPS, it seems to me english speaking folk have an obsession with winning the TdF at least 5 times or they don't matter.
Personally I think this British/English invasion hasnt done cycling any good.
BYOP88 said:thehog said:Cycle Chic said:so considering the UCI and ASO are indeed still reeling from the Armstrong disaster / fallout....would they really be so stupid as to give Brailsford and Sky another backdoor pass ? doesnt add up.
Could they really be passing all those drug tests ? doesnt add up.
Another 5 years of Froome/Sky to get 8 victories, would ASO really want that?
If Froome's lucky he's got 2 more TdF wins in him. But it all depends on the TV ratings if the Tour loses more ratings next year, that will probably be Froome's last TdF win.
kwikki said:Pretty much."Jeff"":1nb2ntwj][quote="tomycs said:Tbh if the Clinic accepted the everyone dopes = level playing field argument, that [insert fav team/rider here] defenders like to bring every now and then, this would be a very lonely place.
What gets to me with Sky is the greed, very similar to USPS, it seems to me english speaking folk have an obsession with winning the TdF at least 5 times or they don't matter.
Personally I think this British/English invasion hasnt done cycling any good.
domination said:All else fails so have a go at Sky for potentially taking something that is legal. Which as usual has no evidence whatsoever to support it (tweets from amateur conspiracy theorists with "circumstantial and hearsay evidence" does not count).
Really is getting desperate on here.
elduggo said:kwikki said:Pretty much."Jeff"":193feoev][quote="tomycs said:Tbh if the Clinic accepted the everyone dopes = level playing field argument, that [insert fav team/rider here] defenders like to bring every now and then, this would be a very lonely place.
What gets to me with Sky is the greed, very similar to USPS, it seems to me english speaking folk have an obsession with winning the TdF at least 5 times or they don't matter.
Personally I think this British/English invasion hasnt done cycling any good.
Yes.
Things were so much cleaner before Sky came along. I just feel sorry for all the lily-white Dutch, French, Belgian, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, American, German, Scandinavian riders who wouldn't have dreamed of cheating until those nasty British came along and made doping obligatory. Before Sky, cycling was pure. Now it's dirty.
I think your use of the word 'invasion' shows exactly where you are coming from.
tomycs said:Tbh if the Clinic accepted the everyone dopes = level playing field argument, that [insert fav team/rider here] defenders like to bring every now and then, this would be a very lonely place.
What gets to me with Sky is the greed, very similar to USPS, it seems to me english speaking folk have an obsession with winning the TdF at least 5 times or they don't matter.
kwikki said:elduggo said:kwikki said:Pretty much."Jeff"":27gqxcj7][quote="tomycs said:Tbh if the Clinic accepted the everyone dopes = level playing field argument, that [insert fav team/rider here] defenders like to bring every now and then, this would be a very lonely place.
What gets to me with Sky is the greed, very similar to USPS, it seems to me english speaking folk have an obsession with winning the TdF at least 5 times or they don't matter.
Personally I think this British/English invasion hasnt done cycling any good.
Yes.
Things were so much cleaner before Sky came along. I just feel sorry for all the lily-white Dutch, French, Belgian, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, American, German, Scandinavian riders who wouldn't have dreamed of cheating until those nasty British came along and made doping obligatory. Before Sky, cycling was pure. Now it's dirty.
I think your use of the word 'invasion' shows exactly where you are coming from.
I'd be a fan of British Cycling (cycling in/from Britain, as opposed to the organisation). I enjoy those Elite series races that are shown on TV from time to time, and I admire teams like JLT, PedalHeaven, etc), and enjoy watching when they come to Ireland to ride the Ras. I'd also have good time for the vast majority of British pro's.
My only real problem with Team Sky is that they seem to have budgets that no other team can come near. Thats not their fault though and I think you'll get instances of this in every sport (particularly professional sports). If no caps are in place and they can get the funding, I think any team would happily pump the kind of money Sky do, into their team.
And, obviously, its far from the first time this has happened in cycling. At a guess I'd say it started with Tapie with his La Vie Claire team? Though my knowledge of cycling prior to that time is sketchy at best.
Its certainly not a problem caused by the Brits though. Far from it. Doesn't a good portion of Sky's funding come from Italy?
Calls for caps on the amount of money teams should be allowed spend are sensible, but unrealistic. There'll always be talented creative accountants who can work wonders with the 'miscellaneous' column of the balance sheet.
It is what it is. Sky won't be around forever. Someone else will come along (Bahrain, probably), and the same complaints will be leveled at them.
Benotti69 said:tomycs said:Tbh if the Clinic accepted the everyone dopes = level playing field argument, that [insert fav team/rider here] defenders like to bring every now and then, this would be a very lonely place.
What gets to me with Sky is the greed, very similar to USPS, it seems to me english speaking folk have an obsession with winning the TdF at least 5 times or they don't matter.
This is also a fallacy. People respond to the various PEDs better than others. Some could take more epo due to lower HcTs than others with higher HcTs.
elduggo said:kwikki said:Pretty much."Jeff"":1i0jkwvf][quote="tomycs said:Tbh if the Clinic accepted the everyone dopes = level playing field argument, that [insert fav team/rider here] defenders like to bring every now and then, this would be a very lonely place.
What gets to me with Sky is the greed, very similar to USPS, it seems to me english speaking folk have an obsession with winning the TdF at least 5 times or they don't matter.
Personally I think this British/English invasion hasnt done cycling any good.
Yes.
Things were so much cleaner before Sky came along. I just feel sorry for all the lily-white Dutch, French, Belgian, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, American, German, Scandinavian riders who wouldn't have dreamed of cheating until those nasty British came along and made doping obligatory. Before Sky, cycling was pure. Now it's dirty.
I think your use of the word 'invasion' shows exactly where you are coming from.
kwikki said:Benotti69 said:tomycs said:Tbh if the Clinic accepted the everyone dopes = level playing field argument, that [insert fav team/rider here] defenders like to bring every now and then, this would be a very lonely place.
What gets to me with Sky is the greed, very similar to USPS, it seems to me english speaking folk have an obsession with winning the TdF at least 5 times or they don't matter.
This is also a fallacy. People respond to the various PEDs better than others. Some could take more epo due to lower HcTs than others with higher HcTs.
And of course only Sky know which potential signers will be super responders
Benotti69 said:kwikki said:Benotti69 said:tomycs said:Tbh if the Clinic accepted the everyone dopes = level playing field argument, that [insert fav team/rider here] defenders like to bring every now and then, this would be a very lonely place.
What gets to me with Sky is the greed, very similar to USPS, it seems to me english speaking folk have an obsession with winning the TdF at least 5 times or they don't matter.
This is also a fallacy. People respond to the various PEDs better than others. Some could take more epo due to lower HcTs than others with higher HcTs.
And of course only Sky know which potential signers will be super responders
They dont. Check Braislford's chart from way back. Froome was not considered a GT winner in Sky by Brailsford.
kwikki said:@thehog
In which case, maybe it is the sponsors who need to step up. Unfortunately, everything about sport gets corrupted by money.
thehog said:kwikki said:@thehog
In which case, maybe it is the sponsors who need to step up. Unfortunately, everything about sport gets corrupted by money.
Well no, the governing body has a responsibility to regulate the sport. Similarly in other sports lower ranked teams obtain first draft pick in the following season etc. Additionally there is revenue sharing.
Sponsorship is something very much different than the governing of the sport.
kwikki said:thehog said:kwikki said:@thehog
In which case, maybe it is the sponsors who need to step up. Unfortunately, everything about sport gets corrupted by money.
Well no, the governing body has a responsibility to regulate the sport. Similarly in other sports lower ranked teams obtain first draft pick in the following season etc. Additionally there is revenue sharing.
Sponsorship is something very much different than the governing of the sport.
Except in practice it isn't the UCI who calls the shots. It's ASO....
Ok, all English speakers are greedy for the tour? show me where every English speaker that has won the tour has said they want to win the tour 5 times?tomycs said:Tbh if the Clinic accepted the everyone dopes = level playing field argument, that [insert fav team/rider here] defenders like to bring every now and then, this would be a very lonely place.
What gets to me with Sky is the greed, very similar to USPS, it seems to me english speaking folk have an obsession with winning the TdF at least 5 times or they don't matter.
thehog said:kwikki said:thehog said:kwikki said:@thehog
In which case, maybe it is the sponsors who need to step up. Unfortunately, everything about sport gets corrupted by money.
Well no, the governing body has a responsibility to regulate the sport. Similarly in other sports lower ranked teams obtain first draft pick in the following season etc. Additionally there is revenue sharing.
Sponsorship is something very much different than the governing of the sport.
Except in practice it isn't the UCI who calls the shots. It's ASO....
Well, again, no. The UCI governs the teams. ASO the races.
You're not striking me as you have a grip on any of this... which is concerning.
kwikki said:thehog said:kwikki said:thehog said:kwikki said:@thehog
In which case, maybe it is the sponsors who need to step up. Unfortunately, everything about sport gets corrupted by money.
Well no, the governing body has a responsibility to regulate the sport. Similarly in other sports lower ranked teams obtain first draft pick in the following season etc. Additionally there is revenue sharing.
Sponsorship is something very much different than the governing of the sport.
Except in practice it isn't the UCI who calls the shots. It's ASO....
Well, again, no. The UCI governs the teams. ASO the races.
You're not striking me as you have a grip on any of this... which is concerning.
The ASO does not govern the races. It governs it's own races, but because it owns the most prestigious races it also carries the upper hand. This is why the UCI dropped it's proposed reforms. ASO threatened to pull out of the WC, which in effect meant ASO would get to decide who races in its races. Sponsorship, or more precisely the lack of sponsorship, was the main concern of the ASO. There isn't the disconnect that you seem to be suggesting.
You're not striking me as you have a grip on any of this... which is concerning