Either he doesn't GAF anymore and went for it pharmaceutically, or he really did have good legs today. Heart says it was the latter...head hopes it wasn't the first...
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I thought Nibali 2016 recover was a bit unbelievable, but this must be something else entirely. 
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Of course you don't. Just like in reverse you don't go from winning a MTF one day to getting dropped by the peloton, including sprinters, a few days later on the first little ramp of the day. Impossible.
At this level, the difference between getting dropped and blowing up on a climb to being the one dropping everyone else is ..... dare I say marginal
So what happened, all week we've been hearing that Froome is finished. No uncle Brian to protect him equals no doping and no motors. How we laughed at the return of old school Froome. Has Lappartient joined the dark side :surprised:
Brullnux said:You don't go from losing a minute on a 40s climb four days after a crash to winning on the zoncolan three days later just because you've recovered from a crash. It's not a magical thing from which you wake up and go "oh, i'm back to normal now".brownbobby said:Saint Unix said:
G) The best GC rider in the world recovering from crashes and riding into form just like he said he would
Of course you don't. Just like in reverse you don't go from winning a MTF one day to getting dropped by the peloton, including sprinters, a few days later on the first little ramp of the day. Impossible.
At this level, the difference between getting dropped and blowing up on a climb to being the one dropping everyone else is ..... dare I say marginal
So what happened, all week we've been hearing that Froome is finished. No uncle Brian to protect him equals no doping and no motors. How we laughed at the return of old school Froome. Has Lappartient joined the dark side :surprised:
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How so? Genuine question. Chaves went from looking like the best climber in the peloton to getting dropped on muritos, did he run out of PEDs or does it only work one way?
Amazinmets87 said:
How so? Genuine question. Chaves went from looking like the best climber in the peloton to getting dropped on muritos, did he run out of PEDs or does it only work one way?
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Come on, don't make me laugh. A sudden drop in form is much easier to explain than a sudden rise, obviously.Oude Geuze said:
At least we now probably don't have to care about the salbutamol case anymore as he probably just handed the UCI a sample of EPO with urine residues
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Tom D managed to drag 13 or 14 kilos more up the hill than Yates in only 31 extra seconds.
On the face of it, a very quick time - but not big gaps among the favourites
TommyGun said:
Tom D managed to drag 13 or 14 kilos more up the hill than Yates in only 31 extra seconds.
On the face of it, a very quick time - but not big gaps among the favourites
We can hope...Gigs_98 said:At least we now probably don't have to care about the salbutamol case anymore as he probably just handed the UCI a sample of EPO with urine residues
The most obviously doped rider in the current peloton for sure. Well, not in the last 2 weeks,
Contador last vuelta, Nibali in the ‘16 giro are two recent examples. I find it hard to believe he just started doping yesterday and made insane progress. Why wait until now when it’s more suspicious to suddenly get a boost than being strong all the way? What would you need to take for such an improvement? Corticosteroids, high dose salbutamol, tramadol and a blood bag? Did they suddenly stop testing stage winners and top 10 in the giro? And if it’s all TUE, then that’s pretty much what they all do so why did Froome improve so much?
Alternatively, Froome came into the giro regularly TUE’ed up, a bit undercooked and then fell twice, but gradually recovered after rest day and two easy days. To say that’s physiologically impossible seems strange.
Alternatively, Froome came into the giro regularly TUE’ed up, a bit undercooked and then fell twice, but gradually recovered after rest day and two easy days. To say that’s physiologically impossible seems strange.
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I agree -- this is in another category entirely. Nibali still needed for Crush-weak to crash, which he did, convincingly. Froome don't need no crashes. He gonna take the TT and gap Yatesy every day in the final mountain stages. Just sit back, watch, and laugh.
Climbing said:I thought Nibali 2016 recover was a bit unbelievable, but this must be something else entirely.
I agree -- this is in another category entirely. Nibali still needed for Crush-weak to crash, which he did, convincingly. Froome don't need no crashes. He gonna take the TT and gap Yatesy every day in the final mountain stages. Just sit back, watch, and laugh.
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Honest answer.
My money is on Chaves becoming sick. Maybe related to a restday refill or botched doping. But garden variety sickness explains his drop.Oude Geuze said:
Honest answer.
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This. Do you have any knowledge of fatigue-induced drop in red blood cell counts? The only (legal) way to restore blood cells is through rest. And no, a rest day (in which riders generally train anyway) is not a sufficient amount of time.LaFlorecita said:
He lost 40 seconds on a tiny hill 3 days ago. He's been crap for two full weeks. And now he's suddenly the best climber in the race. If you believe that's possible with no doping (physical or mechanical) involved....
Fastest evers ascents on Monte Zoncolan (2007-2018):
1. 39:03 Simoni
2. 39:03 Piepoli
3. 39:10 A. Schleck
4. 39:34 Di Luca
5. 39:40 Cunego
6. 39:58 Froome
7. 40:04 S. Yates
8. 40:21 Pozzovivo
9. 40:22 Cuapio
10. 40:23 M.A. Lopez
High level today!
Stratospheric!
1. 39:03 Simoni
2. 39:03 Piepoli
3. 39:10 A. Schleck
4. 39:34 Di Luca
5. 39:40 Cunego
6. 39:58 Froome
7. 40:04 S. Yates
8. 40:21 Pozzovivo
9. 40:22 Cuapio
10. 40:23 M.A. Lopez
High level today!
Stratospheric!
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Oh, if the argument is he's been doping the entire race and didn't significantly increase intake of PEDs for this specific stage, different story. That viewpoint holds plausibility.Oude Geuze said:
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This. It just makes sense. Slightly undercooked and hampered by some swelling and muscle soreness, maybe some bad sleep after the crashes. Now his form is getting there and the soreness is gone. Of course, that's not to say he's not doping, but it's most probably just his normal program. Beating Yates, Pozzovivo and Lopez by a few seconds, is hardly Ventoux 2013 or PSM 2015 type levels either. Much more in line with his best form of the last two years.Oude Geuze said:
Froome to get off Scot-free on the Salbutamol thingy. Magical resurgence to take the Giro. After winning the TDF by ten minutes, decides to enter the Vuelta and takes that one by 20 minutes. Then outsprints Sagan for the Rainbow Jersey in the World's. :lol:
So, he became desperate enough to pull a PSM again. That climbing time is completely unreal and given what a pile of dawg-s**t his form had been througout the Giro, this performance today overtakes PSM or Ventoux in terms of sheer absurdity.
IF he wins the Giro, he won't get banned. I think.
And IF he wins the Giro, he also wins the Tour.
Eddy is trembling.
And IF he wins the Giro, he also wins the Tour.
Eddy is trembling.
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Applied to a rider with a different history, maybe. But applied to froome it amounts to just smuggling in a premise that he developed in a regular manner, ie erasing his history. It amounts to arguing that there is more to froome than doping. This is a big leap of faith.DFA123 said:
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He climbed the zoncolan a minute faster than robobasso, three days after getting dropped and losing 40s to Osimo. I could believe if it were 10-20s, but 40s is not just average soreness that you get over quickly, unless Froome is genuinely made of glass. You don't make that transformation that quickly. Don't get me wrong, I do think the crashes have hampered him, but he needed some seriously strong painkiller or blood booster to improve his performance to this extent so quicklyDFA123 said:
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