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Wasn't 2009 also before the explicit Aicar ban? Contador was flying like never before, Wiggins climbed faster than in 2012 and was scary thin and Michael Rogers finished inside the top 10 in a stacked and rather infamous Giro.wansteadimp said:dacooley said:2012-2013 seasons do really stand out. I've never seen such dried-up cyclists as wiggins and froome back then. the way they look was pretty much on the verge with being unhealthy. froome was reported to be about 68-69kg in the tour de france, but damn that was an obvious lie. i assume his weight was rather leaning to the point of 64 kg. how is it possible that an "athlete" with this body mass index was able to wreck the whole opposition both on climbs and in time trials? that's a big question to answer. seems to me, sky really possessed kinda of exclusive knowledge doping-wise which others didn't have access to. who knows, it might have concerned by some backroom british doping programme for the London olympics or something. the level of the secrecy is what we can only guess about. anyway de jongh obviously new the nature of those methods since bertie looked lethal thougout the whole 2014. contador wasn't virtually different from froome, keeping unthinkably low body fat. in 2015, the game once again flipped imo. outputting necessary watts was made possible without having to be extremely lean.
This is an intriguing point - I would have thought Wiggins was experimenting with this in 2009 as part of Garmin. He definitely was super skin that TdF.
It could have come from BC - we know the links we're very close back then.
If that is the scenario it leaves the question what happened in 2010? Wiggins and Sky were hopeless.
If Wiggins was being doped by BC and Garmin weren't involved surely his levels would have continued from 2009 to 2010 to 2011. At least Sky should have been able to have got some one to a decent level in 2010 with the skills that they used on Wiggins in 2009.