Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[rick james]

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Legit wonder if they had this up their sleeve all this time and are only doing it now because of the circumstances.

Good point. Froome seems to have nearly the same power in this sport as Wonderboy did, which is sad.

So you are implying that Froome has got the UCI to hand this ban out to cobo?


Show us proof of that one please

 

[gillan1969]

Re: Re:

Legit wonder if they had this up their sleeve all this time and are only doing it now because of the circumstances.

Good point. Froome seems to have nearly the same power in this sport as Wonderboy did, which is sad.

So you are implying that Froome has got the UCI to hand this ban out to cobo?


Show us proof of that one please

the proof is Armstrong......or at least in these matters you are unlikely to get 'proof'...Armstrong is however evidence...that evidence being the only time a case has been forensically examined that was the what the evidence pointed to.....the question would be why would it have changed...where's your 'proof' it has changed?

I don't agree with 86TDFwinner in this instance, but you can't ignore that there has been demonstrable evidence of collusion (or at the least a symbiotic relationship) between the sport's governing body and its most successful riders?

 

[wrinklyvet]

Re: Re:

Legit wonder if they had this up their sleeve all this time and are only doing it now because of the circumstances.

Good point. Froome seems to have nearly the same power in this sport as Wonderboy did, which is sad.

So you are implying that Froome has got the UCI to hand this ban out to cobo?


Show us proof of that one please

the proof is Armstrong......or at least in these matters you are unlikely to get 'proof'...Armstrong is however evidence...that evidence being the only time a case has been forensically examined that was the what the evidence pointed to.....the question would be why would it have changed...where's your 'proof' it has changed?

I don't agree with 86TDFwinner in this instance, but you can't ignore that there has been demonstrable evidence of collusion (or at the least a symbiotic relationship) between the sport's governing body and its most successful riders?

Just supposing that's so, wasn't the kicking out of Cookson (who was untrusted by all non-British critics in particular) and his replacement with that nice Monsieur Lappartient supposed to knock anything like that on the head?

 

[rick james]

Re: Re:

Legit wonder if they had this up their sleeve all this time and are only doing it now because of the circumstances.

Good point. Froome seems to have nearly the same power in this sport as Wonderboy did, which is sad.

So you are implying that Froome has got the UCI to hand this ban out to cobo?


Show us proof of that one please

the proof is Armstrong......or at least in these matters you are unlikely to get 'proof'...Armstrong is however evidence...that evidence being the only time a case has been forensically examined that was the what the evidence pointed to.....the question would be why would it have changed...where's your 'proof' it has changed?

I don't agree with 86TDFwinner in this instance, but you can't ignore that there has been demonstrable evidence of collusion (or at the least a symbiotic relationship) between the sport's governing body and its most successful riders?

the proof is Armstrong????


this is all about Chris Froome


I don't need to prove anything, I'm not the one making up lies on a forum

 

[red_flanders]

Re: Re:

Legit wonder if they had this up their sleeve all this time and are only doing it now because of the circumstances.

Good point. Froome seems to have nearly the same power in this sport as Wonderboy did, which is sad.

So you are implying that Froome has got the UCI to hand this ban out to cobo?


Show us proof of that one please

the proof is Armstrong......or at least in these matters you are unlikely to get 'proof'...Armstrong is however evidence...that evidence being the only time a case has been forensically examined that was the what the evidence pointed to.....the question would be why would it have changed...where's your 'proof' it has changed?

I don't agree with 86TDFwinner in this instance, but you can't ignore that there has been demonstrable evidence of collusion (or at the least a symbiotic relationship) between the sport's governing body and its most successful riders?

The examples of UCI collusion to protect riders goes beyond Armstrong. Contador's positive which was being covered up leaps to mind. There is Brochard's backdated TUE in '99, the Landis fiasco, Basso, DiLuca, and on and on. Prudhomme said at one point,

“...I trust nobody — least of all the UCI. We were ready to work with the UCI to fight doping and have supported them financially. But when you have made an alliance, looked the other person right in the eyes, then you expect to be told the truth. But that didn’t happen… …You can’t make the Tour de France responsible for everything… We also have an international federation, but they are worth nothing. The UCI never wanted a clean Tour.”

The CIRC report cited riders saying,
"that they believed Therapeutic Use Exemptions were and are “systematically used” as part of doping. Moreover, one rider who spoke to CIRC claimed that 90 per cent of all TUEs were used for performance enhancement."

Anyone who imagines what happened with Froome is anything but a pure whitewash is ignorant of the history of the UCI, or in the case of anyone actually following the sport, delusional.

 

[86TDFWinner]

Re: Re:

Legit wonder if they had this up their sleeve all this time and are only doing it now because of the circumstances.

Good point. Froome seems to have nearly the same power in this sport as Wonderboy did, which is sad.

So you are implying that Froome has got the UCI to hand this ban out to cobo?


Show us proof of that one please

No, where did i "imply" that? I was saying that Froome wields enough power similar to Wonderboy, in that he can pretty much have positives swept under the rug and nothing happens to him(at least not yet anyways).

No proof to show he did this to Cobo. But what i said about him having A LOT of power, is spot on.

You honestly believe Froome wasnt doping then either? Lol.

 

[86TDFWinner]

Re: Re:

Legit wonder if they had this up their sleeve all this time and are only doing it now because of the circumstances.

Good point. Froome seems to have nearly the same power in this sport as Wonderboy did, which is sad.

So you are implying that Froome has got the UCI to hand this ban out to cobo?


Show us proof of that one please

the proof is Armstrong......or at least in these matters you are unlikely to get 'proof'...Armstrong is however evidence...that evidence being the only time a case has been forensically examined that was the what the evidence pointed to.....the question would be why would it have changed...where's your 'proof' it has changed?

I don't agree with 86TDFwinner in this instance, but you can't ignore that there has been demonstrable evidence of collusion (or at the least a symbiotic relationship) between the sport's governing body and its most successful riders?

the proof is Armstrong????


this is all about Chris Froome


I don't need to prove anything, I'm not the one making up lies on a forum

What "lies" have i made up?

I related Froomes doping cover ups, and such to Armstrong, as it appears he's gaining A LOT of power, similar to that of Wonderboy.

I'm sorry you're favorite rider is most likely a doper too, but don't have a meltdown when someone tries pointing it out, ala Wonderboy, and his fan club doesn't believe it.

 

[86TDFWinner]

Re: Re:

Legit wonder if they had this up their sleeve all this time and are only doing it now because of the circumstances.

Good point. Froome seems to have nearly the same power in this sport as Wonderboy did, which is sad.

So you are implying that Froome has got the UCI to hand this ban out to cobo?


Show us proof of that one please

the proof is Armstrong......or at least in these matters you are unlikely to get 'proof'...Armstrong is however evidence...that evidence being the only time a case has been forensically examined that was the what the evidence pointed to.....the question would be why would it have changed...where's your 'proof' it has changed?

I don't agree with 86TDFwinner in this instance, but you can't ignore that there has been demonstrable evidence of collusion (or at the least a symbiotic relationship) between the sport's governing body and its most successful riders?

The examples of UCI collusion to protect riders goes beyond Armstrong. Contador's positive which was being covered up leaps to mind. There is Brochard's backdated TUE in '99, the Landis fiasco, Basso, DiLuca, and on and on. Prudhomme said at one point,

“...I trust nobody — least of all the UCI. We were ready to work with the UCI to fight doping and have supported them financially. But when you have made an alliance, looked the other person right in the eyes, then you expect to be told the truth. But that didn’t happen… …You can’t make the Tour de France responsible for everything… We also have an international federation, but they are worth nothing. The UCI never wanted a clean Tour.”

The CIRC report cited riders saying,
"that they believed Therapeutic Use Exemptions were and are “systematically used” as part of doping. Moreover, one rider who spoke to CIRC claimed that 90 per cent of all TUEs were used for performance enhancement."

Anyone who imagines what happened with Froome is anything but a pure whitewash is ignorant of the history of the UCI, or in the case of anyone actually following the sport, delusional.

Thank you

 

[gillan1969]

Re: Re:

Legit wonder if they had this up their sleeve all this time and are only doing it now because of the circumstances.

Good point. Froome seems to have nearly the same power in this sport as Wonderboy did, which is sad.

So you are implying that Froome has got the UCI to hand this ban out to cobo?


Show us proof of that one please

the proof is Armstrong......or at least in these matters you are unlikely to get 'proof'...Armstrong is however evidence...that evidence being the only time a case has been forensically examined that was the what the evidence pointed to.....the question would be why would it have changed...where's your 'proof' it has changed?

I don't agree with 86TDFwinner in this instance, but you can't ignore that there has been demonstrable evidence of collusion (or at the least a symbiotic relationship) between the sport's governing body and its most successful riders?

Just supposing that's so, wasn't the kicking out of Cookson (who was untrusted by all non-British critics in particular) and his replacement with that nice Monsieur Lappartient supposed to knock anything like that on the head?

....only if you take a narrow and partisan view of the UCI (and world)...the king is dead...long live the king

 

[macbindle]

Does anybody seriously think Cookson was competent enough to manage a conspiracy and keep it hidden?

Sorry, but the guy was too inept.

 

[Red Rick]

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Does anybody seriously think Cookson was competent enough to manage a conspiracy and keep it hidden?

Sorry, but the guy was too inept.

*puts on tinfoil hat*

Cookson was faking his ineptitude

 

[MartinGT]

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Does anybody seriously think Cookson was competent enough to manage a conspiracy and keep it hidden?

Sorry, but the guy was too inept.

*puts on tinfoil hat*

Cookson was faking his ineptitude

Got any evidence of that?

 

[thehog]

So McQuaid gave Cookson JTL/Menchov parting gift and Cookson gave a Cobo parting gift?

 

[Huapango]

I witnessed Froome 2.0 while watching the Dauphine today. When I saw Wout Poels attack to win the stage, I couldn't help but notice the similarities between the two riders.

 

[rick james]

I witnessed Froome 2.0 while watching the Dauphine today. When I saw Wout Poels attack to win the stage, I couldn't help but notice the similarities between the two riders.

did you just post this for attention?

Ineos rider wins...he's the next Dawg

how original

 

[86TDFWinner]

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Does anybody seriously think Cookson was competent enough to manage a conspiracy and keep it hidden?

Sorry, but the guy was too inept.

Just like many claimed McQuaid wasn't competent/ smart enough to hide all of Wonderboys stuff, how'd that work out?

 

[86TDFWinner]

I witnessed Froome 2.0 while watching the Dauphine today. When I saw Wout Poels attack to win the stage, I couldn't help but notice the similarities between the two riders.

did you just post this for attention?

Ineos rider wins...he's the next Dawg

how original

I bet you think Froome is "cleans" don't you?

 

[the delgados]

I witnessed Froome 2.0 while watching the Dauphine today. When I saw Wout Poels attack to win the stage, I couldn't help but notice the similarities between the two riders.

did you just post this for attention?

Ineos rider wins...he's the next Dawg

how original

We all post for attention; otherwise we wouldn't post.

 

[hrotha]

Surely you guys understand the difference between "Collusion between the UCI and key riders is well documented" and "Froome personally had the UCI go after Cobo". You may want to explore the merits of the latter theory, but so far there is nothing to support it, and the timeline is hard to reconcile with such a directed effort.

You don't need to support every inane statement that rick challenges.

 

[Swingtop]

Have to agree that there is little real evidence of the official story. Froome crashed in a town, was treated there for hours, breaks anything and everything, and we have nothing to show for it. No bystander photographs, even Poels "didn't want to look", he even didnt go back to help his teammate, which I found very strange myself. The conspiracy guys can be easily shut up with a few photographs from Ineos/Froome. If they don't release anything, these rumours will remain.

 

[tobydawq]

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Have to agree that there is little real evidence of the official story. Froome crashed in a town, was treated there for hours, breaks anything and everything, and we have nothing to show for it. No bystander photographs, even Poels "didn't want to look", he even didnt go back to help his teammate, which I found very strange myself. The conspiracy guys can be easily shut up with a few photographs from Ineos/Froome. If they don't release anything, these rumours will remain.

So, Dan Martin witnessing the accident and Froome's photo in the hospital bed is not sufficient?

Allright.

 

[Swingtop]

Photo not showing anything really, and all the witnesses are cyclists. Why don't they silence the conspiracy guys once and for all by just showing something? It's not like we cycling fans are squeamish, we're used to this stuff. After all the horror stories, I also found the state of Froome remarkable, and the interviews quite strange. But if this was fake, I don't really understand the motive though. Forgoing a 5th TdF win is not something you'd easily do. Still, waiting for some photos of Froome's injuries.

 

[dutchdescent]

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Photo not showing anything really, and all the witnesses are cyclists. Why don't they silence the conspiracy guys once and for all by just showing something? It's not like we cycling fans are squeamish, we're used to this stuff. After all the horror stories, I also found the state of Froome remarkable, and the interviews quite strange. But if this was fake, I don't really understand the motive though. Forgoing a 5th TdF win is not something you'd easily do. Still, waiting for some photos of Froome's injuries.

State of the world we live in.

You answered your own query. What's the motive? Months of build up..

 

[rick james]

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Have to agree that there is little real evidence of the official story. Froome crashed in a town, was treated there for hours, breaks anything and everything, and we have nothing to show for it. No bystander photographs, even Poels "didn't want to look", he even didnt go back to help his teammate, which I found very strange myself. The conspiracy guys can be easily shut up with a few photographs from Ineos/Froome. If they don't release anything, these rumours will remain.

Why the hell would you want to see picture of froomes broken body?


So is dan Martin and all the French doctors now on team Ineos payroll?

 

[rick james]

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Photo not showing anything really, and all the witnesses are cyclists. Why don't they silence the conspiracy guys once and for all by just showing something? It's not like we cycling fans are squeamish, we're used to this stuff. After all the horror stories, I also found the state of Froome remarkable, and the interviews quite strange. But if this was fake, I don't really understand the motive though. Forgoing a 5th TdF win is not something you'd easily do. Still, waiting for some photos of Froome's injuries.

You won’t be getting any photos....it has nothing to do with you