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Froome vs Quintana vs Contador

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Good OP, I would add a few things though

Froome:
Would usually have the advantage of a very hard first week with 2 hard mountain stages and 2 very hard medium mountain stages. However this year his shape might be different because he prepares for the Olympics so maybe he has his peak a bit later.
Another little advantage for him is the Ventoux because this climb is just made for him.
Quintana:
He will definitely like the hard last week but he would probably prefer even more difficult stages and probably a higher altitude.
Contador:
I think Contador has the little advantage of the MTT because he is an absolute monster in very hard TT's.

All in all a decent route. I found Libertine's post very funny but I don't think it's that bad. Moreover I actually wouldnt complain if for once Froome rides the tour and the race is not already over after the first mtf. :D
 
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Miburo said:
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Bumping it up

Why would you do that man, you deserve a scolding but i rather not **** again with people who have a red or green name ;)

First PSM, now this. :D :D :D

Oh Miburo. You must be heartbroken right now, but you take it as a man!
There are at least a dozen stages that are more similar to today's stage than PSM yet you mention that one? It seems a bit random.
 
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LaFlorecita said:
Valv.Piti said:
Miburo said:
Red Rick said:
Bumping it up

Why would you do that man, you deserve a scolding but i rather not **** again with people who have a red or green name ;)

First PSM, now this. :D :D :D

Oh Miburo. You must be heartbroken right now, but you take it as a man!
There are at least a dozen stages that are more similar to today's stage than PSM yet you mention that one? It seems a bit random.

I bumped the thread 2 days ago asking for a video of it since I couldn't find it on YT Red Rick bumped this thread today. You see?
 
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I dont think quintana has any chance of winning the tour. He isnt a better climber than froome and contador. He is worse at TT. Isnt as tactical gifted as contador, isnt as good as useing his watt meter as froome . So i dont se his advantaged
 
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I dont think quintana has any chance of winning the tour. He isnt a better climber than froome and contador. He is worse at TT. Isnt as tactical gifted as contador, isnt as good as useing his watt meter as froome . So i dont se his advantaged
Very good recovery, at least in last year's Tour but also in other GTs in the past. Seems to get stronger in third week without tiring.
 
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SevenTimeTdfChamp said:
I dont think quintana has any chance of winning the tour. He isnt a better climber than froome and contador. He is worse at TT. Isnt as tactical gifted as contador, isnt as good as useing his watt meter as froome . So i dont se his advantaged

LoL

I stopped reading when you came up with that he isn't a better climber than them.
 
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MovistarRider said:
SevenTimeTdfChamp said:
I dont think quintana has any chance of winning the tour. He isnt a better climber than froome and contador. He is worse at TT. Isnt as tactical gifted as contador, isnt as good as useing his watt meter as froome . So i dont se his advantaged

LoL

I stopped reading when you came up with that he isn't a better climber than them.

I stopped reading when you claimed he´s a better climber
Never outclimbed a peak contador and if you look at the whole tdf 15 he took back around the same amount of time on froome on stage 20, as he lost on stage 10

his climbing is way overrated beacuse it is the only skill he have
 
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I dont think quintana has any chance of winning the tour. He isnt a better climber than froome and contador. He is worse at TT. Isnt as tactical gifted as contador, isnt as good as useing his watt meter as froome . So i dont se his advantaged
I think at this point of their careers Quintana is a better climber than Contador. He has also shown he can outclimb Froome in the third week. So saying he has no chance winning the Tour is premature and almost silly.
 
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johnymax said:
SevenTimeTdfChamp said:
I dont think quintana has any chance of winning the tour. He isnt a better climber than froome and contador. He is worse at TT. Isnt as tactical gifted as contador, isnt as good as useing his watt meter as froome . So i dont se his advantaged
I think at this point of their careers Quintana is a better climber than Contador. He has also shown he can outclimb Froome in the third week. So saying he has no chance winning the Tour is premature and almost silly.

Thats great but froome has shown that he can outclimb quintana in the first part of the tour. Quintana doesnt gain any time on the climbs in the 3rd week that he doesnt lose on the climbs in the first part of the tour. He has to come up with some new tricks if he is gonna have a chance of winning the tour. Valverde as road captain certenly helps but im not sure thats enough
 
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The new trick should be not losing time in some peloton split, having improved as a climber and thus not losing as much in the first mountain stage, and then having the conviction that if the climbing towards the end turns into a race of attrition, he will prevail. Froome won't always fade as badly as he he did last year, but then Quintana won't always lose a lot of time in the flat either.

Froome looks to once again have an extraordinarily strong team, so Quintana will have to be clever in the last week to make the most of his presumed recovery advantage.
 
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SevenTimeTdfChamp said:
johnymax said:
SevenTimeTdfChamp said:
I dont think quintana has any chance of winning the tour. He isnt a better climber than froome and contador. He is worse at TT. Isnt as tactical gifted as contador, isnt as good as useing his watt meter as froome . So i dont se his advantaged
I think at this point of their careers Quintana is a better climber than Contador. He has also shown he can outclimb Froome in the third week. So saying he has no chance winning the Tour is premature and almost silly.

Thats great but froome has shown that he can outclimb quintana in the first part of the tour. Quintana doesnt gain any time on the climbs in the 3rd week that he doesnt lose on the climbs in the first part of the tour. He has to come up with some new tricks if he is gonna have a chance of winning the tour. Valverde as road captain certenly helps but im not sure thats enough
I get what you are trying to say. But you know, the Tour has 21 stages. Anything can happen. Quintana is the 2nd or 3rd most likely rider to win, so he certainly has his chances. And I doubt anyone who closely follows cycling, would be surprised if he takes the win in the end.
 
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The new trick should be not losing time in some peloton split, having improved as a climber and thus not losing as much in the first mountain stage, and then having the conviction that if the climbing towards the end turns into a race of attrition, he will prevail. Froome won't always fade as badly as he he did last year, but then Quintana won't always lose a lot of time in the flat either.

Froome looks to once again have an extraordinarily strong team, so Quintana will have to be clever in the last week to make the most of his presumed recovery advantage.

Last years parcours was much friendlier to Nairo, even if he's stronger this year, it will be harder for him to win.
 
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SeriousSam said:
The new trick should be not losing time in some peloton split, having improved as a climber and thus not losing as much in the first mountain stage, and then having the conviction that if the climbing towards the end turns into a race of attrition, he will prevail. Froome won't always fade as badly as he he did last year, but then Quintana won't always lose a lot of time in the flat either.

Froome looks to once again have an extraordinarily strong team, so Quintana will have to be clever in the last week to make the most of his presumed recovery advantage.

Quintana will still lose that time in the flat.... against the clock.
 
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Ataraxus said:
SeriousSam said:
The new trick should be not losing time in some peloton split, having improved as a climber and thus not losing as much in the first mountain stage, and then having the conviction that if the climbing towards the end turns into a race of attrition, he will prevail. Froome won't always fade as badly as he he did last year, but then Quintana won't always lose a lot of time in the flat either.

Froome looks to once again have an extraordinarily strong team, so Quintana will have to be clever in the last week to make the most of his presumed recovery advantage.

Quintana will still lose that time in the flat.... against the clock.

Good thing the time trials merely are flat then.

Froome is the favourite, but Nairo has a a lot going for him. As stated multiple times, I don't believe in Contador, so its going to be a to way.
 
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johnymax said:
SevenTimeTdfChamp said:
johnymax said:
SevenTimeTdfChamp said:
I dont think quintana has any chance of winning the tour. He isnt a better climber than froome and contador. He is worse at TT. Isnt as tactical gifted as contador, isnt as good as useing his watt meter as froome . So i dont se his advantaged
I think at this point of their careers Quintana is a better climber than Contador. He has also shown he can outclimb Froome in the third week. So saying he has no chance winning the Tour is premature and almost silly.

Thats great but froome has shown that he can outclimb quintana in the first part of the tour. Quintana doesnt gain any time on the climbs in the 3rd week that he doesnt lose on the climbs in the first part of the tour. He has to come up with some new tricks if he is gonna have a chance of winning the tour. Valverde as road captain certenly helps but im not sure thats enough
I get what you are trying to say. But you know, the Tour has 21 stages. Anything can happen. Quintana is the 2nd or 3rd most likely rider to win, so he certainly has his chances. And I doubt anyone who closely follows cycling, would be surprised if he takes the win in the end.

Im not saying it would be a surprise if he won .. Just that quintanas possibilities for winning the tour is based around climbing. And as i dont see him as a superior climber to froome or contador i dont see were he would be able to gain time.. Froome on the other hand could be a little bit bad in the mountains but still manage to win due to his TT abilities. Contador also has more than his climbing abilities to rely on and therefore i see Quintanas chances of winning the tdf as the worst of the big 3
 
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SevenTimeTdfChamp said:
MovistarRider said:
SevenTimeTdfChamp said:
I dont think quintana has any chance of winning the tour. He isnt a better climber than froome and contador. He is worse at TT. Isnt as tactical gifted as contador, isnt as good as useing his watt meter as froome . So i dont se his advantaged

LoL

I stopped reading when you came up with that he isn't a better climber than them.

I stopped reading when you claimed he´s a better climber
Never outclimbed a peak contador and if you look at the whole tdf 15 he took back around the same amount of time on froome on stage 20, as he lost on stage 10

his climbing is way overrated beacuse it is the only skill he have

+1 quintana is very overrated as climber and he have no tactics abilities as contador or nibali