Fuglsang and Lutsenko under investigation for cooperation with Michele Ferrari.

[Danskebjerge]

So your source is about as credible as the not so credible source your source claims not to be credible? Hm... Interesting.

That comment is so incredibly funny.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

That comment is so incredibly funny.

I'm sorry if it didn't live up to your standards. But i did think it was funny, that allegations are made about people who may or may not have made allegations that may or may not have been incorrect.

 

[F_Cance]

Philippe Gilbert - who might have thought to have seen something that he didn't really see.

The source seems reliable (as reliable as speculation can be, I guess).

So you made that up? Or where did you find that?

Would be funny though. So far we have Holm saying something like "I guess the rumours were true then", while Gilbert probably is Ibargurens best work.

 

[hrotha]

Whoever the witness was, they might also have seen exactly what they thought they saw, but that doesn't mean anything could legally be done about it.

 

[yaco]

Curious as to whether Gilbert has any links to doping ? I can't recall any off the top of my head - And I'm not referring to musings from the Clinic.

 

[Blanco]

So Gilbert is a rat, well, well.., who would've thought.

 

[Valanga]

Curious as to whether Gilbert has any links to doping ? I can't recall any off the top of my head - And I'm not referring to musings from the Clinic.

Not really no. Suspicions enough of course, just as any top rider.

He used to be friends with Vino though, I guess that's over now.

 

[Koronin]

Not really no. Suspicions enough of course, just as any top rider.

He used to be friends with Vino though, I guess that's over now.

Add suspicion of having raced with Quickstep as well.

 

[myrideissteelerthanyours]

Gilbert was linked to widespread cortisone abuse at Lotto as well as a seizure of 190 doses of EPO

 

[veganrob]

Gilbert was linked to widespread cortisone abuse at Lotto as well as a seizure of 190 doses of EPO

Yes, the cortisone abuse makes the most sense. After he left Lotto his results really dropped for a few years till Quickstep could build him up again.

 

[F_Cance]

Also important to note who was the doctor at Lotto and who was (still is) the doctor at QS.

 

[ppanther92]

Lol. So, one user claims (without a source whatsoever) that Gilbert is involved in the accusation against Fuglsang and Lutsenko and 5 or 6 users jump immediately on the ship of blaming Gilbert.

Let's come back to facts: there is a report indicating anti-doping violations by Fuglsang and Lutsenko. Not less and not more.

 

[yaco]

Lol. So, one user claims (without a source whatsoever) that Gilbert is involved in the accusation against Fuglsang and Lutsenko and 5 or 6 users jump immediately on the ship of blaming Gilbert.

Let's come back to facts: there is a report indicating anti-doping violations by Fuglsang and Lutsenko. Not less and not more.

Cadf would be taking this further if there was a prima facie case for an anti doping violation.

 

[ppanther92]

Cadf would be taking this further if there was a prima facie case for an anti doping violatio.

Yes, ok. So we are now speculating about who is the source of some speculation about two riders...

 

[yaco]

Yes, ok. So we are now speculating about who is the source of some speculation about two riders...

No - I an not speculating in this thread .

 

[fmk_RoI]

No - I an not speculating in this thread .

No, not speculating. Inviting others to do the dirty work while claiming the moral high ground...

Curious as to whether Gilbert has any links to doping ? I can't recall any off the top of my head - And I'm not referring to musings from the Clinic.

 

[yaco]

No, not speculating. Inviting others to do the dirty work while claiming the moral high ground...

I merely asked a question - Riders from the mid 2000's generation which is Gilbert's time, came into the sport in that in-between period, when it appears doping or overt doping was toned down - I had never come across what I would consider strong links for Gilbert, hence I asked the question - How you extrapolate this to me ' taking the high moral ground ' is baffling, but not surprising.

 

[myrideissteelerthanyours]

Yes, the cortisone abuse makes the most sense. After he left Lotto his results really dropped for a few years till Quickstep could build him up again.

imho Gilbert's big wins at QS were tactical. Team raced negatively against Boonen et al

 

[Koronin]

imho Gilbert's big wins at QS were tactical. Team raced negatively against Boonen et al

I'm not sure his Flanders victory fully fits that model.

 

[F_Cance]

Looks like Astana still is on the Ferrari program

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Well, well, Lutz and and Fuglsang are clean of course. Vino wouldn't dream of having his fellow Kazakh country man puncturing himself with needles and we all know the collective brave non corrupt Nordic people just can't see themselves stepping beside the line....

 

[armchairclimber]

Well, well, Lutz and and Fuglsang are clean of course. Vino wouldn't dream of having his fellow Kazakh country man puncturing himself with needles and we all know the collective brave non corrupt Nordic people just can't see themselves stepping beside the line....

Well, they don't appear to be in any way embarrassed.

 

[F_Cance]

ok, great. Astana flying like last year and following the recent news it's even more suspicious this year.

 

[Joelsim]

Neither Fuglsang or Lutsenko have any shame whatsoever. It's blindingly obvious what they're up to. I hope the authorities test them every single day (and in the middle of the night if necessary), as it's the only way to catch them.

 

[F_Cance]

74kg Lutsenko the third best climber of the season so far. Nothing to see here.