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G.I. JOEEEEEE! [Tsunami of USADA cases against cyclists]

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Scott SoCal said:
Bad deeds then make amends versus bad deeds and STFU.
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Making amends? In what way is selling the names of his customers in exchange for lighter sentence for himself "making amends"? When caught, one should take his punishment like a man and not use others to deflect or lessen the punishment.
 
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Making amends? In what way is selling the names of his customers in exchange for lighter sentence for himself "making amends"? When caught, one should take his punishment like a man and not use others to deflect or lessen the punishment.
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Um...have you ever considered that the Feds and the USADA have the electronic evidence to put that stuff together themselves? Again, what some people here THINK they know about what is happening, and what happened are two different things. You don't want to think anything but what you have already decided about Joe. None of us are going to change that. I mean, you actually wrote the stupid idea that you would not give up people if you were faced with the option of Federal prison full force versus a lighter sentence for cooperating with investigation of those who also committed crimes with you. Only a moron would keep his mouth shut, and I am willing to bet you are not that stupid.
 
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Um...have you ever considered that the Feds and the USADA have the electronic evidence to put that stuff together themselves? Again, what some people here THINK they know about what is happening, and what happened are two different things. You don't want to think anything but what you have already decided about Joe. None of us are going to change that. I mean, you actually wrote the stupid idea that you would not give up people if you were faced with the option of Federal prison full force versus a lighter sentence for cooperating with investigation of those who also committed crimes with you. Only a moron would keep his mouth shut, and I am willing to bet you are not that stupid.
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I'm willing to take the other side of that bet.
 
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tubularglue said:
Canadian Doc, Tiger's, spent a lot of time in a clinic in California.

Maybe lots of teams went to that clinic :D over the years
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Are you talking about Anthony Galea? Tony hung out often with Jeff Spencer, former USPS "Chiropractor". They were both on the faculty of this place
http://www.michener.ca/

In case people do not remember Jeff he was the guy who was filmed dumping bags of dope and 160 Syringes back in 2000.

Birds of a feather.
 
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Are you talking about Anthony Galea? Tony hung out often with Jeff Spencer, former USPS "Chiropractor". They were both on the faculty of this place
http://www.michener.ca/

In case people do not remember Jeff he was the guy who was filmed dumping bags of dope and 160 Syringes back in 2000.

Birds of a feather.
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Kennf1 said:
Leogrande as well.
Whoever the rider is, USA Cycling better hope he doesn't win the race. Was it 3 years ago that Tyler won?
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I don't think this guy will win, no teammates and no more of Joe's hot sauce.
 
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Race Radio said:
http://velonews.competitor.com/2010...ionships-charged-with-doping-violation_141266

Some of Joe's customers are racing tomorrow. One of them hired notorious douchebag and professional liar Howard Jacobs to try to weasel his way out of it......I guess the guy missed the great job Howard did for Floyd and Tyler.
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Top 5 at stage 2 of the Tour of Utah:
Levi Leipheimer
Francisco Mancebo
Ian Boswell
Darren Lill
Phil Zajicek

Minus the ones not on the start list Sunday:
Levi Leipheimer
Ian Boswell
Phil Zajicek

And then there were three...

Which of those have the means to hire Jacobs and the expectation that they would be on the World's team so they could request an expedited hearing?
 
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BroDeal said:
Top 5 at stage 2 of the Tour of Utah:
Levi Leipheimer
Francisco Mancebo
Ian Boswell
Darren Lill
Phil Zajicek

Minus the ones not on the start list Sunday:
Levi Leipheimer
Ian Boswell
Phil Zajicek

And then there were three...

Which of those have the means to hire Jacobs and the expectation that they would be on the World's team so they could request an expedited hearing?
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From the article I got the impression that it was someone racing the Road Race today. Does not mention the TT Bottle raced in yesterday.
Still, who knows... Actually, take it back... Joe knows.
 
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Top 5 at stage 2 of the Tour of Utah:
Levi Leipheimer
Francisco Mancebo
Ian Boswell
Darren Lill
Phil Zajicek

Minus the ones not on the start list Sunday:
Levi Leipheimer
Ian Boswell
Phil Zajicek

And then there were three...

Which of those have the means to hire Jacobs and the expectation that they would be on the World's team so they could request an expedited hearing?
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Zajicek can afford it.
 
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Zajicek can afford it.
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Yep my Pesetas are on him too.

He lives in Boulder and was in Colorado around the 14th. Boswell was in Belgium, besides he is just 19 now. Leipheimer would have just been back from Canada, so maybe, but he lives in California.

All this thorough research brought to by their Twitter accounts.
 
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There are those that are ****ed off at Joe because he doped and because, while service a suspension, dealt drugs. And there are those that are ****ed off at him because he's now naming names.

I understand the first group, but I don't the second.

And I think the jury is out on what his motivations are now. Maybe he's cooperating out of necessity. Maybe it's convencience. Or it could be opportunistic. Maybe he's truly seen the light and has changed. And it could be a combination of some of those things. Regardless, his cooperation is good for the sport and should be applauded. So while I think it's fair to criticize him for the cheating and the dealing, it's not to fair to attack his cooperation. (And I understand that some of the attacks on his cooperation are disguised as criticism of the former.)

As I've also stated, I think his conduct merits a lifetime ban from the sport, or at least a lifetime ban with an opportunity to apply for reconsideration after a number of years. I simply don't see how any amount of cooperation can make up for dealing PEDs while serving a 2-year ban. He may have some future around the edges of the sport, as a blogger, quasi-journalist, internet forum rock star, anti-doping advocate and counselor. But I have a hard time seeing a future directly involved in cycling.
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i think you have summarized things nicely and i agree almost entirely. i will stop short of applause tho. i don't applaud people for doing what they're SUPPOSED to do.

the only real debate here is what is the appropriate reaction/punishment for someone like joe? his actions are disgusting but you're correct that his "cooperation", whether altruistic or not, is good for the sport. how much do we incentivize cooperation without removing the deterrent to dope in the first place? i care very little about joe the individual, but the precedent being set is quite important. he is one of the first of his kind, as a medium sized dealer, to be caught in this era of increased PED awareness. in this way i am very interested in joe's sentencing. it will start to paint a clearer picture of how serious the judicial system wants to take PED use/trafficking. from legal precedent, we can infer the importance, or lack of importance, american sports culture will be placing upon clean competition.
 
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The lesson here is that if you have the means to hire a slimy lawyer--even one with as bad of a track record as Jacobs and a history of arguing bogus defenses for his client--then not only do you get off but the cycling press will protect your identity.

I wonder what technicality Jacobs used to explain his client purchasing dope. It wasn't for him; it was for his mother-in-law, who is anemic? Maybe the EPO was for his dog. That is always a popular excuse.

It has to be either Zajicek or Leipheimer.
 
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Has to be Zajicek. Levi never would have ordered EPO over the internet, when he has Ferrari on his speed dial. Wonder if USADA will appeal?
 
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Has to be Zajicek. Levi never would have ordered EPO over the internet, when he has Ferrari on his speed dial. Wonder if USADA will appeal?
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Its PZ and the word in G'ville is USADA has made no final ruling but he able to race now until the appeal is decided. Seems like BS but I guess thats the way the rules are written.
 
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Its PZ and the word in G'ville is USADA has made no final ruling but he able to race now until the appeal is decided. Seems like BS but I guess thats the way the rules are written.
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Jacobs is saying he was ruled not guilty.
 
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Race Radio said:
Jacobs is saying he was ruled not guilty.
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I'm sure Jacobs would never misrepresent what was going on in a case. :rolleyes: He certainly never did anything like that in the FLandis case...oh, wait.

I am interested in how Velonews decides to keep these things secret. They don't have a problem publishing the names of other riders before a ruling is made. Does a rider or his attorney simply call Velonews and ask for secrecy or is there a threat involved? To think I used to subscribe back in the day.
 
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I'm sure Jacobs would never misrepresent what was going on in a case. :rolleyes: He certainly never did anything like that in the FLandis case...oh, wait.

I am interested in how Velonews decides to keep these things secret. They don't have a problem publishing the names of other riders before a ruling is made. Does a rider or his attorney simply call Velonews and ask for secrecy or is there a threat involved? To think I used to subscribe back in the day.
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I quit reading when they became as selective about these issues as you've pointed out. On the other hand; if they have a printed Velonews ready for the newstands it would be practical to not render it worthless by posting more current news on their e-site. Only excuse I could think of and a weak one at that.
 
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