Garmin Cervelo Dismiss Matt White

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euanli

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I assume staff have their own Slipstream mobiles and email addresses that they are meant to do all team business with. Could be possible that there is an email trail from mwhite@slipstream and tlowe@slipstream telling him where to go.

I'm sure any dodgy dealings would have been done over private accounts and possibly coded.
 
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Now I find this very hypocritical from Vaughters. How many of riders not under his contract in December were photographed at the Garmin training camp with Cervelos?

Le Mevel and Vanmarcke are who who spring to mind.
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and you know that they were still being paid by their old teams?
 
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euanli

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Course not Dim. But it does seem standard practice in Pro cycling that in December you get to ride your new team bike with your current kit.

The description of Vaughters being hacked off it would seem he wasn't happy with this happening.
 
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The best thing JV can do is provide some supporting evidence.

It should be pretty easy to provide the results of the test. The payment receipt. Maybe Lowe can tell us if he ever bumped into Wiggins or Menchov while he was there?

Really, we should not be talking about this bcuase as JV says words are not the answer, testing is. :rolleyes:
 
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euanli said:
I assume staff have their own Slipstream mobiles and email addresses that they are meant to do all team business with. Could be possible that there is an email trail from mwhite@slipstream and tlowe@slipstream telling him where to go.

I'm sure any dodgy dealings would have been done over private accounts and possibly coded.
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true, does anyone really think they would use their corporate emails and cell phones?
 
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I'm not surprised, I bumped into MW once, he looked fishy to me...now does anyone here believe he only referred this one non performing guy to this "doctor" in April 2009? You'd think he would have focused his energies on some better riders...like, let's see, who had a great 2009 year?

It's pretty pathetic that the two guys JV tosses under the bus a guy who's gone and a guy who was about to leave, how brave!

MW seems to have a lot on his conscience as he seems to be taking the news rather well!
 
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It's all about hypocrisy. JV wasn't this strict when he tried to sign AC.
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To be fair to JV (and to me he seems to like Contador a bit too much considering the baggage vs the clean team image Garmin needs to project) the blood values check does seem to be the last step before making a deal final.

Also it seems JV wants to sign everyone however dodgy they may seem (see Dekker).
 
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roundabout said:
To be fair to JV (and to me he seems to like Contador a bit too much considering the baggage vs the clean team image Garmin needs to project) the blood values check does seem to be the last step before making a deal final.

Also it seems JV wants to sign everyone however dodgy they may seem (see Dekker).
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We don't always need blood profiles - common sense can be useful.

http://www.macleans.ca/canada/features/article.jsp?content=20070727_150415_8508

M: It’s sad to see Vinokourov and Ramussen win races and get taken down the next day.

DW: Why is it sad? They’re cheating. It’s sad that they cheat, but it’s good news when they get caught. What is sad is that the guy who’s wearing the yellow jersey now, Alberto Contador, is definitely cheating.

M: How can you tell he’s cheating?

DW: Michael Rasmussen went up the Gourette-Col d'Aubisque faster than Lance Armstrong ever went up it. Alberto Contador was alongside him the whole way. I’ve been at that race since the early 80s and I know what speeds they go up that mountain. The speeds the leaders go up at today are just illogical.
 
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Race Radio said:
true, does anyone really think they would use their corporate emails and cell phones?
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There is probably a team rule that says if you are going to contact a doping doc, you have to use your team email account and team cell phone.

:rolleyes:

It sure would be nice to know a little bit more about the behind the scenes.

Even if JV has managed to keep the team clean, they are operating in a cesspool. Moreover, many (all?) of the riders have minimally had previous exposure and some are confirmed and rumored prior dopers.

While the team probably has confidentiality provisions (or standard procedures) that reduce the likelihood of 'outing' their own riders, it would be interesting to understand the team turnover.

Why are some riders, who have had good seasons and who had difficulty getting a new ride, no longer with the team?

From the riders' perspective(s), it would appear that they were highly motivated to stay with this team. Why aren't they there any more?

Dave.
 
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Race Radio said:
The best thing JV can do is provide some supporting evidence.

It should be pretty easy to provide the results of the test. The payment receipt. Maybe Lowe can tell us if he ever bumped into Wiggins or Menchov while he was there?

Really, we should not be talking about this bcuase as JV says words are not the answer, testing is. :rolleyes:
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Just to interject, who is running the Garmin Anti-Doping program? I believe it is Catlin. Nice.

Anyone notice they are a bit slow on updating the team staff? http://www.slipstreamsports.com/garmin-slipstream-staff/matt-white
 
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I used to race in Australia around the same time as Matt White (although not at the same level) and if I remember correctly he was found positive for some sort of steroid when on the Australian Institute of Sport squad (don't know if this can be verified anywhere. Any help?). Another guy from my club also rode in the Institute set up for 1-2 years around the same time and he 'experimented' with EPO.
 
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I tweeted this to Vaughters

@vaughters why did it take so long to find out about all this (MW)?

...in which he said to me

@ACycling_fan .. Please ask Trent Lowe that question. I did, and he never answered me.
 
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Trying to reconcile the strands here.

Race, you said the Matt White situation was the reason for your 'under a bus' thread. This suggests to me that he actually was fired for it and not GreenEdge, and the timing is vaguely consistent with what Garvelo have said.

I had also heard about a rider blackmailing JV in the last fortnight.

The question remains- did JV know about this all along, and only take action when TL threatened to blab? Or did they first find out when he threatened to blab?

How incorrectly am I reading all of this?
 
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If Trent Lowe had anything to say to JV I think it would go along the lines of:

"Any roster spots left this season?"
 
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