Garmin Cervelo Dismiss Matt White

[Ferminal]

I see no reason why Lowe would have concealed the test if it was just about VO2 max. A DS sent him there, and whatever results he got would have been useful to try to explain his underperformance. But if it wasn't about VO2, then Vaughters is lying when he says he's 100% sure (100%!) there was nothing shady about the visit to this clinic. So yeah, I'd agree with you. But Vaughters should realize this kind of dishonesty doesn't help his cause at all (and that's assuming the only dishonesty is not acknowledging White sent Lowe there for the dope; there are far more sinister alternatives)

Wouldn't Slipstream be perfectly capable of doing VO2 tests in house?

 

[Martin318is]

Funny, I found out about it about 10 days ago. I think 1/2 the cycling world knew about it.

strange then that nobody here knew - are you saying that everyone on this forum (except for you) lives in the other half of cycling?

 

[Runitout]

strange then that nobody here knew - are you saying that everyone on this forum (except for you) lives in the other half of cycling?

Well, I heard rumours about it, and I'm not "in" cycling.

New Cycling Path tweeted Wiggo, wondering if he knew el Gato a few days ago.

Being fans, we are mushrooms here - kept in the dark and fed on ****.

 

[Martin318is]

But if it wasn't about VO2, then Vaughters is lying when he says he's 100% sure (100%!) there was nothing shady about the visit to this clinic.

thats pretty flawed logic. He isn't automatically lying if it wasn't just V02. Its certainly true that in those circumstances Loewe and White would be lying to everyone. However, if they provided sufficient supporting evidence to convince JV that it was just V02 testing then JV would merely be wrong - not a liar.

 

[Benotti69]

thats pretty flawed logic. He isn't automatically lying if it wasn't just V02. Its certainly true that in those circumstances Loewe and White would be lying to everyone. However, if they provided sufficient supporting evidence to convince JV that it was just V02 testing then JV would merely be wrong - not a liar.

they are hardly gonna give J 'mr clean' V a doping program now are they?

 

[hrotha]

thats pretty flawed logic. He isn't automatically lying if it wasn't just V02. Its certainly true that in those circumstances Loewe and White would be lying to everyone. However, if they provided sufficient supporting evidence to convince JV that it was just V02 testing then JV would merely be wrong - not a liar.

Well yes, I mean if JV knew what it was all about. But if he didn't, then saying he's 100% sure there was nothing shady about White and Lowe is still lying.

 

[thehog]

You mean the Aussie dollar that has essentially been bouncing on parity for the last few months?

The question is merely the amount of coin of the sponsors. Given who the backers of Garmin-Cervelo are, you could imagine that they are probably willing to put more into their team than the backers of the new Aus team - but its just guesswork for now is it not...

Hmmmmmm.... parity with a country that’s 100 trillion in debt and needs to print money to stay afloat?

I'm hearing you but look at Kautsha. Money doesn't buy you victory or good team management.

 

[Benotti69]

Hmmmmmm.... parity with a country that’s 100 trillion in debt and needs to print money to stay afloat?

I'm hearing you but look at Kautsha. Money doesn't buy you victory or good team management.

best we not start looking at Geox either. money is no guarantee

 

[Sanitiser]

best we not start looking at Geox either. money is no guarantee

Good riders either. The sport is screwed.

 

[Benotti69]

Good riders either. The sport is screwed.

the sport is being screwed very very slowly by the teams/doping and at the back doing all the thrusting is the uci

 

[Martin318is]

Hmmmmmm.... parity with a country that’s 100 trillion in debt and needs to print money to stay afloat?

I'm hearing you but look at Kautsha. Money doesn't buy you victory or good team management.

Precisely! Garmin are going to smash us Aussies due to the talent of their roster alone - money, who needs it

 

[thehog]

Precisely! Garmin are going to smash us Aussies due to the talent of their roster alone - money, who needs it

Althogh in saying that having money is generally better than not having money!

 

[simo1733]

Precisely! Garmin are going to smash us Aussies due to the talent of their roster alone - money, who needs it

How do you get 40million to spend by selling caravans

 

[BotanyBay]

This event was predicted 1-2 weeks ago by one of our regular awesome prognosticators.

This smells like rotten fish. There's more to it than this for certain. My guess is that White is taking a bullet for his Omerta amigos on Garmin to try and shield them from the consequences of being a dirty team that bills itself as a clean one.

Now Mr White: You're motoring...What's your price for flight?

 

[gobuck]

He WAS looking for "Mr Right"

But he won't be alright tonight.

 

[BotanyBay]

He WAS looking for "Mr Right"

But he won't be alright tonight.

Finding Mister White ;-)

 

[ksmith]

Matt White has been fired because of team ethics fair enough. How come Lowe still has a job at Garmin, was he unaware of team ethics (I presume he did go to the clinic)

 

[Angliru]

It's my understanding that Lowe was only under contract til the end of 2010. He is currently without a team. He may have been scheduled to sign with the failed Pegasus team out of Australia. The entire White/Lowe-unapproved doctor referral incident came to the surface during Lowe's 2011 contract negotiations with Garmin if I'm not mistaken.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

It's my understanding that Lowe was only under contract til the end of 2010. He is currently without a team. He may have been scheduled to sign with the failed Pegasus team out of Australia. The entire White/Lowe-unapproved doctor referral incident came to the surface during Lowe's 2011 contract negotiations with Garmin if I'm not mistaken.

Not quite - Lowe was spotted by Garmin riding a Scott bike at a Pegasus team camp, this was a violation of his contract with Garmin -all ProTour (now WT) contracts run through to the end of December.

Garmin decided not to pay Lowe for the month and hence the story came out.

 

[webvan]

...because he told them that if the wasn't getting paid he had some revelations to make. So how did JV get the info? He paid him and the decided to go public with the info?

 

[LastRide]

No, I had heard that Johan had info about White/Del Moral/Lowe and was using it to try to keep Matt quite and out of the US. While I have heard it from multiple sources I do not know how real it is. Given the Hog's past actions, and connections to Del Moral, it would not be surprising.

Problem with that logic is that White was in the US in November 2010 on his way to training camp in the Cayman Islands.

 

[Race Radio]

Problem with that logic is that White was in the US in November 2010 on his way to training camp in the Cayman Islands.

I did not say he was successful

 

[thehog]

I did not say he was successful

Think the Hog was worried about him being ruffed up by the Feds in the US and singing?

 

[blackcat]

How do you get 40million to spend by selling caravans

meth labs.

Everyone knows the caravan biz is a front for bikies needing to wash money with a legit source, for their trailer park cook-ups. NFL never had tailgating like this.

 

[auscyclefan94]

How do you get 40million to spend by selling caravans

Ryan has many fingers stuck in many different pies. 40 mil is not much for him!