Geert Leinders

[ChewbaccaD]

Funny, I wonder why thehog, digger, and the other Lance Armstrong apologists aren't hammering Tygart for overreaching here? I mean, he's a singularly focused, self-absorbed, egomaniac, Christian crusader, only concerned with the fame he can get from banning Lance...

Oh, I know...Leinders worked for Sky, so Travis is a hero today...

FREE LEINDERS!!! Why are he and Ferrari the only Doctors who got a ban? How can the USADA use the testimony or riders like Bottle, who only received a 6 month ban, against Lienders? This is a travesty!!!...

 

[thehog]

Hilarious. I remember when the running line here was “Leinders is not Ferrari, not even close”.

 

[webvan]

Interesting that (based on c/ above) Leinders didn't seem to think that EPO could turn a donkey into a racehorse unlike the accepted wisdom in the clinic...

As a side note "Rider 2" sounds like a bit of a nutcase since he apparently wanted to dope but not take EPO ? I wonder who it is...

 

[thehog]

Funny, I wonder why thehog, digger, and the other Lance Armstrong apologists aren't hammering Tygart for overreaching here? I mean, he's a singularly focused, self-absorbed, egomaniac, Christian crusader, only concerned with the fame he can get from banning Lance...

Oh, I know...Leinders worked for Sky, so Travis is a hero today...

FREE LEINDERS!!! Why are he and Ferrari the only Doctors who got a ban? How can the USADA use the testimony or riders like Bottle, who only received a 6 month ban, against Lienders? This is a travesty!!!...

The United States Anti-Doping Agency (USADA), Anti-Doping Denmark (ADD), and Anti-Doping Authority Netherlands (Doping autoriteit), announced today that a three member panel of the American Arbitration...

Tygart?

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Tygart?

The United States Anti-Doping Agency (USADA), Anti-Doping Denmark (ADD), and Anti-Doping Authority Netherlands (Doping autoriteit), announced today that a three member panel of the American Arbitration...

Tygart?...

 

[thehog]

Tygart?...

Good lad. So you’ve done your trolling for the day. Back to the topic at hand.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Tygart?

"Leinders handed lifetime ban by USADA for doping offences"

Here's the link so you can read the article: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/leinders-handed-lifetime-ban-by-usada-for-doping-offences

Tygarg?...

 

[thehog]

In the USADA reasoned decision they do mention his time at SKY., but state that the charges only are related to his time at Rabobank.

http://www.usada.org/wp-content/uploads/AAA_decision_Leinders_December_2014.pdf

It really doesn't look good for DB. Sky needs to address this hiring of someone now as infamous as Ferrari (or heck Lance himself).


It also flags up Zorzoli as someone who would "would keep in touch with team doctors so that "riders and staff" would have the idea that the UCI was basically on top of them and that they had to be careful with what they would do in terms of doping"
(Page 16 from the testimony of Steven Tietler, manager of legal affairs for NAD)

There is another similar comment later.

I think there is enough time and distance between Sky hiring him and this revelation.

It will be forgotten in a month.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Good lad. So you’ve done your trolling for the day. Back to the topic at hand.

The topic at hand is how you can support such a travesty of justice against Leinders? I mean, Tygart only had one person in mind. Doping didn't end when Lance was banned, and fo' sho' Tygart wasn't interested in cleaning up cycling, he was only interested in Lance...So it's impossible that he went after Leinders. IMPOSSIBRU!!!!

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Why didn't Tygart call Sky riders to testify? Tygart, along with having a singular focus on Lance Armstrong, must be a Skybot too! FREE LEINDERS!!!

 

[lllludo]

Rider 1 probably Addy Engels, neo-pro in 2000, left Rabo in 2004. Injured in 2001 so didn't doping that year.

 

[del1962]

Interesting that (based on c/ above) Leinders didn't seem to think that EPO could turn a donkey into a racehorse unlike the accepted wisdom in the clinic...

As a side note "Rider 2" sounds like a bit of a nutcase since he apparently wanted to dope but not take EPO ? I wonder who it is...

Where does it imply rider 2 wanted to dope?

 

[the sceptic]

corticosteroids.. sounds familiar

 

[Gregga]

Interesting to notice that although Leinders was using the whole panel of doping tools (blood bags, EPO, HGH, LH, cortisone, testosterone, DHEA at least), none of the Rabo riders did win anything big.

Some compare him to Ferrari, ok then WTF did Armstrong / Ferrari use as a method to be 10% stronger than these guys working with Leinders ???

 

[Benotti69]

Where does it imply rider 2 wanted to dope?

Rider 2 refused EPO, but it does not indicate rider 2 refused other PEDs, which Geert is known to have used on the athletes.

 

[roundabout]

Interesting to notice that although Leinders was using the whole panel of doping tools (blood bags, EPO, HGH, LH, cortisone, testosterone, DHEA at least), none of the Rabo riders did win anything big.

Some compare him to Ferrari, ok then WTF did Armstrong / Ferrari use as a method to be 10% stronger than these guys working with Leinders ???

Grand Tours are pretty big.

That a hack like Rasmussen nearly won one should tell you that Leinders was no dr Punto.

 

[Netserk]

In 2007 after Puerto had slowed down most others, Rabo was one of the best teams across the whole season, if not the best.

 

[samhocking]

Grand Tours are pretty big.

That a hack like Rasmussen nearly won one should tell you that Leinders was no dr Punto.

Yeah, but Armstrong really was a donkey needing the racehorse transfusions according to LeMond!

 

[sniper]

so why wasn't the Belgian ADA involved?

more urgent: why weren't any Sky riders interrogated?

 

[webvan]

Where does it imply rider 2 wanted to dope?

Sorry I thought it was the same rider in a/ and b/, a/ is the one where it's implied that Leinders didn't think that EPO couldn't turn a donkey into a racehorse.

 

[sniper]

Why didn't Tygart call Sky riders to testify? Tygart, along with having a singular focus on Lance Armstrong, must be a Skybot too! FREE LEINDERS!!!

i realize you're half joking but yes, why weren't Sky riders called to testify?
urgent question me thinks.

 

[thehog]

Interesting to notice that although Leinders was using the whole panel of doping tools (blood bags, EPO, HGH, LH, cortisone, testosterone, DHEA at least), none of the Rabo riders did win anything big.

Some compare him to Ferrari, ok then WTF did Armstrong / Ferrari use as a method to be 10% stronger than these guys working with Leinders ???

Rabo weren’t anonymous. They had a strong squad and won a lot of races outside GTs. Armstrong clearly had an advantage to shut down anyone who got too strong into “not normal” category.

 

[samhocking]

i realize you're half joking but yes, why weren't Sky riders called to testify?
urgent question me thinks.

Probably because Sky didn't exist? Just a hunch!

 

[ebandit]

burn baby burn

more urgent: why weren't any Sky riders interrogated?

that's the spirit.............burning matchsticks under their finger nails should

get the confession that you so badly crave

Mark L

 

[Gregga]

Rabo weren’t anonymous. They had a strong squad and won a lot of races outside GTs. Armstrong clearly had an advantage to shut down anyone who got too strong into “not normal” category.

Sure, but not only, those who were in the "not normal" zone were still kids compared to him, like Basso 2005 or Ullrich 2000/2001/2004